CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[mondblut]

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Well, in my ending he was cuddling with his waifu and they both had a hint of a smile and peace in their eyes, hopeful for what awaits them ahead.

I saw it more like this:

 

[Mefi]

Still worse AI than GTA 3, doens't help CD Projekt Red shamelessly lied to people:

https://www.vg247.com/2020/06/08/cyberpunk-2077-npcs-1000-daily-routines/

Hadn't seen that before. You can definitely see in game the marks where their overoptimism crashed into reality. If they'd maintained the quality of some of the side quests more evenly across the entire game then you'd care a little less about the jankiness of other things. Kind of curious as to how they fix parts of this now, or at least how well they can tuck bits out of obvious sight in the hope they can keep forcing the player through at a pace not to stop and poke about too much away from the curated areas.

 

[just]

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Well, in my ending he was cuddling with his waifu and they both had a hint of a smile and peace in their eyes, hopeful for what awaits them ahead.

I saw it more like this:

you're on a death bed
she gives birth to your son
tears of joy in the final moments
he's black
fade to black
(maybe johnny laughs before fade out)

 

[Lord of Riva]

How far are you into the 2nd playthrough Hóngwèibīng ?

I am currently under way to clear the map, thus far though I have not heard from others about much C&C akin to

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Takemuras Death

 

[Turjan]

Fuck, compared to this JoJo's villains of the week are peak of straight masculinity. And these people unironically think they are monocled because they don't play animu games.

The tragic part is that these are still the only pants my char has ever found that take a mod. So it's the decision between +40 armor and looking like a tard or wearing something decent.
I took care of the rest of the outfit though.

 

[Fenix]

Bad news everyone. The dildos have triggered my OCD.

I have around 150 in my inventory. I can't focus on the missions or activities. All I want to do is collect dildos.

This is how propaganda works.
EVERYONE - WE LOST THAT GUY!

 

[ChildInTime]

Thanks bros, this conversation really helped me sort it out in my head.

Apparently in Cyberpunk the engrams are actually "souls", the real deal, like cortical stacks in Altered Carbon, so it's not a conciousness problem. in the

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ending where Alt uses Soulkiller on you, V doesn't even know that she is already an engram until Johnny tells her. You can actually see when an Engram is made from a dead person who has no "soul" - Jackie was copied by Arasaka after he died, and his engram is just stuck on a loop of repeating phrases.

Ok, but what about

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Saburo Arasaka - we learn in Arasaka endings, that he had preemptively made a copy of himself as an engram stored in Mikoshi, before being strangled by Yorinobu. How does it work?

1) I understand the only way to create an Engram is to burn a person with Soulkiller (thus stopping the brain from working, unless the engram is "given back"), so does Arasaka Corp have the technology to bring back engrams to original body AND still keeping it stored? Thus, are engrams/souls "copyable"?
2) If not, and they somehow made an Engram copy of him, without use of Soulkiller, does it mean he had 2 "souls" before the Heist?

Of course, this is pure speculation and questions, and given how much time it had taken me to even phrase them in a more-or-less coherent sentence, it's possible even devs/scriptwriter didn't have a best understanding of.

Huh, now that I think about it,

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the original Soulkiller flatlined those it was being used on, but Arasaka made some improvements, and marketed the Relic program as a way to become immortal for the rich. In the Arasaka assault at the end you can find records of it being used on different people, and it says that when someone dies during the procedure it's considered a failure, I doubt all those braindance stars and politicians would agree to just die. What if Saburo was already just a meatsack being piloted by an engram? He only lived because his engram was inserted into a compatible body, that is also why, if V agrees to Arasakas deal on the space station, she looks so depressed - yes her soul will be saved, but there is no body for it (just like in the Alt version of the events), because the current one is already dying and with the technology available Arasaka cannot provide a new one.

 

[KVVRR]

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Well, in my ending he was cuddling with his waifu and they both had a hint of a smile and peace in their eyes, hopeful for what awaits them ahead.

I saw it more like this:

Nah, Panam isn't the sort to sleep around, she gets emotionally destroyed if you pick any ending that isn't hers and is willing to put her whole family at risk to save V.

 

[Catacombs]

There isn't. They really should put in a NG+ where you keep your things, since you actually get a few exclusives on the last main quest.

Of course CDPR didn't put it in on launch because they needed to hit their deadline, ready or not.

 

[Saerain]

Why worry about

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engrams

. It’s a fuckign magic and the sad thing is they could have done some research even bakc in the 90’s and mr. Pondsmith would immidietely see how utterly ridiculous that plotline is. Unless human mind works drastically diffrently form current consensus, then anything resembling

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engrams

can barely exist at all due to their extreme data size. If it somehow existed it could not run on any computer imaginable in anything resembling real time. Not to mention that such a thing could only be created in a destructive way over countless millions of electron microscope/hours. And certianly it could not be copied form a tiny

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chip

(which would not fit it in the first place) into a living

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brain

.

What, never? How extreme a size are we talking? Because unless it's more bits than there are atoms in the given space, it's at least theoretically conceivable. I mean the difference in mass between a human brain and these chips isn't exactly cosmic. Seems like perfectly achievable miniaturization, especially without all the mass spent on kinesthetic and autonomic stuff.

And I imagined, given how extremely temperature sensitive the data is, that it's really pushing the limits of solid state storage.

 

[Child of Malkav]

So

Fuck, compared to this JoJo's villains of the week are peak of straight masculinity. And these people unironically think they are monocled because they don't play animu games.

The tragic part is that these are still the only pants my char has ever found that take a mod. So it's the decision between +40 armor and looking like a tard or wearing something decent.
I took care of the rest of the outfit though.

So this is why they didn't add 3rd person. Can you imagine, getting the best armor and end up looking like that?

 

[Roguey]

says it all when it comes to showcasing the wonders of Potato Engineering. Can't even meet the standards of a nearly 20 year old game.

 

[kreight]

Maybe they had that police shit. And when BLM started they simply defunded it.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

How far are you into the 2nd playthrough Hóngwèibīng ?

Not that far. Mostly focusing on side content and relaxin'.

 

[MasPingon]

Yesterday something clicked for me after 30 hours. I finally see there is an actual game behind absolutely retarded design decisions made by lead designer( no introduction to fixers, the way you are given quests, quest marker you can't turn off, unskipable and very long scripted events, passivity of player character). This game structure is absolute clusterfuck. Sometimes it feels like a skeleton of a game, where some of it's mechanics don't need to be fixed, they need to be made, because they don't exist. What CDPR did is dangerously close to false marketing, this game is not as they described it. After 20 hours I gave up on it, but now, after doing some of side content, I believe this can be a good game if they'll actually finish it.

 

[KVVRR]

Why worry about

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engrams

. It’s a fuckign magic and the sad thing is they could have done some research even bakc in the 90’s and mr. Pondsmith would immidietely see how utterly ridiculous that plotline is. Unless human mind works drastically diffrently form current consensus, then anything resembling

Spoiler

engrams

can barely exist at all due to their extreme data size. If it somehow existed it could not run on any computer imaginable in anything resembling real time. Not to mention that such a thing could only be created in a destructive way over countless millions of electron microscope/hours. And certianly it could not be copied form a tiny

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chip

(which would not fit it in the first place) into a living

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brain

.

What, never? How extreme a size are we talking? Because unless it's more bits than there are atoms in the given space, it's at least theoretically conceivable. I mean the difference in mass between a human brain and these chips isn't exactly cosmic. Seems like perfectly achievable miniaturization, especially without all the mass spent on kinesthetic and autonomic stuff.

And I imagined, given how extremely temperature sensitive the data is, that it's really pushing the limits of solid state storage.

This video summarizes pretty well just how difficult it actually would be to replicate the human mind.
TL DR currently, a piece of brain the size of a grain of sand took up 2 million gigabytes of space, and 3 months to compile.

 

[Justicar]

Gay game.

 

[AwesomeButton]

lol wat - VTB Capital is an investor in CDPR?! the conference call keeps getting more and more crazy.

 

[Justicar]

lol wat - VTB Capital is an investor in CDPR?! the conference call keeps getting more and more crazy.

Cyberpunk state is Putins fault.

 

[ChildInTime]

Gay game.

Agree.

 

[Turjan]

So

Fuck, compared to this JoJo's villains of the week are peak of straight masculinity. And these people unironically think they are monocled because they don't play animu games.

The tragic part is that these are still the only pants my char has ever found that take a mod. So it's the decision between +40 armor and looking like a tard or wearing something decent.
I took care of the rest of the outfit though.

So this is why they didn't add 3rd person. Can you imagine, getting the best armor and end up looking like that?

Yup. I went for a compromise at the moment. The vest is, again, the only epic item I have that doesn't look completely retarded with shorts, so it has to stay.

Shooting empty vodka glasses in the apartment. I'm sure management understands.

 

[Justicar]

So

Fuck, compared to this JoJo's villains of the week are peak of straight masculinity. And these people unironically think they are monocled because they don't play animu games.

The tragic part is that these are still the only pants my char has ever found that take a mod. So it's the decision between +40 armor and looking like a tard or wearing something decent.
I took care of the rest of the outfit though.

So this is why they didn't add 3rd person. Can you imagine, getting the best armor and end up looking like that?

Yup. I went for a compromise at the moment. The vest is, again, the only epic item I have that doesn't look completely retarded with shorts, so it has to stay.

Shooting empty vodka glasses in the apartment. I'm sure management understands.

Nigga fix your style btw. you can get cyberware that grants +200 armour and stop worrying about stats and start worrying about your looks.

 

[Ivan]

this one got me

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[orcinator]

Serous question, has anyone encountered something that was actually engaging on a gameplay level besides the first time they figure out a new trick that trivializes combat?

Try getting one of those implants for double jump and do parkour while shooting (or punching) the enemies. That's the only way I'd found to make the actual gameplay more fun than just decent, really. Jumping from a roof to the other so you get to a sniper, giving him a good swing and seeing you oneshot him with the gorilla hands while he makes a backflip is pretty good. Exploding their heads with a rusty shovel too.

You can play it like Call of Duty Advanced Warfare (XBOX ONE! COPY THAT!) instead of Call of Duty the others ones but it's not much of an improvement.

 

[luj1]

It will be worth playing once, after 2 years of patches and DLCs and with mods