CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Myobi]

Is that related to the incoming DLC?

Also..."sppppppaaaaaaaaaccccceeee!"

 

[TheEntitledOne]

Silencers are useless until you get a piece of handheld piece of artillery (how the fuck does a silencer drop 30% of damage?).

While there tons of things to rant about in this game, that one actually isn't.
To make your gun "silent" you need to lower the bullet's speed below the speed of sound to avoid the sonic crack. By lowering the speed you therefore reduce the impact energy on the target (and range). Read: damage.
Better silencers somewhat do it better, so yeah, that design decision makes sense for a change.

Isn't that just a myth? I mean most basic pistols shot subsonic right? (And low caliber pistol are the only thing I imagine you could potentially silence enough for actual stealth). If I'm going to turn a pea shooter into an even weaker weapon to make it "silent", it defeats the point if all I get is an ALARM! ALARM!

 

[Rand al'Thor]

CDPR scammed everyone, that's for sure. Geralt or every other RPG protagonist has more personality and complexity than Vincent or Valerie. Even Fallout 4 protagonist, at least we can choose him be sarcastic, good, bad, or which faction his join. (It is not good but better than V imo). V is dumb, edgy, unlikable from beginning to end. Only two important choices we make about V: What will V fuck and ending

Spoiler

how he continues to live the next 6 months until death

and of course V's story only lead one conclusion

Spoiler

death

, Geralt in Witcher 3 has different paths in the end with our choices.How CDPR backward so much, when they promised much better than their previous games. There are so many things to say but this is their biggest scam for me.

 

[Readher]

CDPR scammed everyone, that's for sure. Geralt or every other RPG protagonist has more personality and complexity than Vincent or Valerie. Even Fallout 4 protagonist, at least we can choose him be sarcastic, good, bad, or which faction his join. (It is not good but better than V imo). V is dumb, edgy, unlikable from beginning to end. Only two important choices we make about V: What will V fuck and ending

Spoiler

how he continues to live the next 6 months until death

and of course V's story only lead one conclusion

Spoiler

death

, Geralt in Witcher 3 has different paths in the end with our choices.How CDPR backward so much, when they promised much better than their previous games. There are so many things to say but this is their biggest scam for me.

Competent people left, newbie hires who weren't necessarily bad but simply not fit for a project of this scale replaced them, almost certainly at least one reboot during development, game's identity crisis, conflict of promises and actual capabilities and experience in certain areas. One could probably go on and on. As I've said before, the fact we have more agency over Geralt, who is an established character, than over V, who was supposed to be "our" character who led "our" story is disgusting. One of the key reasons people were excited for CP2077 was because CDPR could finally make a custom character instead of being limited by Geralt's established personality and traits, and yet they somehow made it even worse. Pathetic.

 

[Sòren]

As I've said before, the fact we have more agency over Geralt, who is an established character, than over V, who was supposed to be "our" character who led "our" story is disgusting. One of the key reasons people were excited for CP2077 was because CDPR could finally make a custom character instead of being limited by Geralt's established personality and traits, and yet they somehow made it even worse. Pathetic.

as many other posters here pointed out, the thing of a custom made character in connection to a personality that is suppposed to interfere with ur natural behaviour doesn't make sense anyway. how are u supposed to feel something is wrong if there is no right?

messed up game. u all know why, most probably.

 

[msxyz]

Older silencers reduced your bullet speed but recent technology doesn't have that effect and you could pretty much fire bullets at the same speed.
Also, most of these old silencers didn't reduce the speed of a bullet enough to make it not go supersonic, which meant you had to also use subsonic ammo.

There were, however, weapons with integral silencers that allowed you to make plain supersonic ammo go subsonic.

Silencers work like a car muffler. They're effective if used in conjunction with special ammo with a reduced powder charge to keep the bullet speed down (and reduce the volume of gases produced, otherwise the silencer would need to be too big).

These ammo usually employ heavier bullets to partially compensate the loss of kinetic energy due to the lower speed. Also longer heavier bullets have better ballistic coefficient so they retain the speed more than standard ammo down range.

If you use normal ammo with a silenced weapon you'll get a somewhat reduced report, but it won't be nowhere as silent as it's shown in movies and games.

I find also somewhat ironic than the most effective silent weapon in Cyberpunk is the magnum revolver. Revolvers don't work well with silencers because there's a gap between the cylinder and the barrel that let gases and noise escape. There were revolvers made to work with silencers where the cylinder moves forward, when the hammer strikes, to seal this gap (the most famous is the Nagant used in Russia and Sweden at the beginning of the XX century)

 

[Shadowfang]

Older silencers reduced your bullet speed but recent technology doesn't have that effect and you could pretty much fire bullets at the same speed.
Also, most of these old silencers didn't reduce the speed of a bullet enough to make it not go supersonic, which meant you had to also use subsonic ammo.

There were, however, weapons with integral silencers that allowed you to make plain supersonic ammo go subsonic.

Silencers work like a car muffler. They're effective if used in conjunction with special ammo with a reduced powder charge to keep the bullet speed down (and reduce the volume of gases produced, otherwise the silencer would need to be too big).

These ammo usually employ heavier bullets to partially compensate the loss of kinetic energy due to the lower speed. Also longer heavier bullets have better ballistic coefficient so they retain the speed more than standard ammo down range.

If you use normal ammo with a silenced weapon you'll get a somewhat reduced report, but it won't be nowhere as silent as it's shown in movies and games.

I find also somewhat ironic than the most effective silent weapon in Cyberpunk is the magnum revolver. Revolvers don't work well with silencers because there's a gap between the cylinder and the barrel that let gases and noise escape. There were revolvers made to work with silencers where the cylinder moves forward, when the hammer strikes, to seal this gap (the most famous is the Nagant used in Russia and Sweden at the beginning of the XX century)

Unless you have one of these:

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Cool little feature, i wounder if there are any guns using today.

Never thought about revolvers that way. I even thought that they would be a good choice since they don't lose as much gas as semis.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

One thing has been bugging me
Both V and Jackie witnessed Arasaka's murder
Couldn't V just post a video of that online?

I mean, it's safe to assume his augmented eyes could take photos
Also T-Bug was connected to them so she could see what they saw or at least use one of the camera's in the penthouse since she controlled the security system (so she could have made a recording of that)
Plus you also have that braindance shit, so really I can't see no way how they couldn't have recorded that
And even if the recording would have been legally considered as false it would still massively hurt Arasaka's son reputation and exonorate V a little bit

 

[Semiurge]

One thing has been bugging me
Both V and Jackie witnessed Arasaka's murder
Couldn't V just post a video of that online?

I mean, it's safe to assume his augmented eyes could take photos
Also T-Bug was connected to them so she could see what they saw or at least use one of the camera's in the penthouse since she controlled the security system (so she could have made a recording of that)
Plus you also have that braindance shit, so really I can't see no way how they couldn't have recorded that
And even if the recording would have been legally considered as false it would still massively hurt Arasaka's son reputation and exonorate V a little bit

Lol if everyone isn't in ⏺REC mode at all times like Robocop.

 

[orcinator]

For me the Glen's boxer's pregnant gf was wanted for... sexual assault.

That's how she got pregnant.

 

[TT1]

Wish tech tree would just give you access to some kind of drone or bots, improving their stats with each level spent on it.

The game deserved an extra year in the oven tbh.

I have the feeling this will be the sixth attribute.

 

[680x0]

My gaming mouse died so I have to complete the game with my CST trackball.... not as bad as I thought it would be.

160 hrs and I'm entering Embers right now. I think this game might be pretty good after all the DLC and fixes.

 

[Myobi]

One thing has been bugging me
Both V and Jackie witnessed Arasaka's murder
Couldn't V just post a video of that online?

I mean, it's safe to assume his augmented eyes could take photos
Also T-Bug was connected to them so she could see what they saw or at least use one of the camera's in the penthouse since she controlled the security system (so she could have made a recording of that)
Plus you also have that braindance shit, so really I can't see no way how they couldn't have recorded that
And even if the recording would have been legally considered as false it would still massively hurt Arasaka's son reputation and exonorate V a little bit

I might be mistaken but I think you need specific hardware to record braindances, and T-bug who had shut down the security systems fried right after the murder *shrug

 

[Turjan]

Is that related to the incoming DLC?

Also..."sppppppaaaaaaaaaccccceeee!"

Some of that is in the game.

Spoiler

One of the endings.

 

[Danikas]

Is that related to the incoming DLC?

Also..."sppppppaaaaaaaaaccccceeee!"

Some of that is in the game.

Spoiler

One of the endings.

Are these interior shots in the game though? I didnt get that ending yet.

 

[Turjan]

I should probably have a look at the ending again.

Edit: The shots are different.

Spoiler

The station you fly to also looks a bit different. Edit: Oops, no, it's the same, just upside down.

The interior locations are similar, but not the same. The layout of the interior space is exactly the same, but objects are replaced, textures differ, and of course the lighting. So you're right, those exact shots are not in the game as far as I can tell.

 

[The_Mask]

Average Joe review is out. ROFL

 

[Twiglard]

Plus you also have that braindance shit, so really I can't see no way how they couldn't have recorded that

You need an implant for that.

 

[Harthwain]

"To be honest with you, I didn't want to play it. I had to force myself sometimes".

2/4 of the review is entirely about bugs and broken stuff.

The final verdict is... 6/10 (for PC launch).

 

[typical user]

"To be honest with you, I didn't want to play it. I had to force myself sometimes".

2/4 of the review is entirely about bugs and broken stuff.

The final verdict is... 6/10 (for PC launch).

Which is exactly how I feel about this game. But I would rate it 4/10 which he sort of did by averaging all the numbers. I've stopped watching Angry Joe when I realized he is a shill, but when he roasts the game (even for the profits) I agree with his complaints 80% of the time.

In the perfect world if this game was released with all the features intact but with same amount of bugs I would rate it as 8/10. Because the amount of those just makes for a bad experience, pulls you out, ruins the immersion or important story parts. But on the other hand if the game was spotless, no bugs present but with the same amount of content I would give it 7/10 at most. So 6/10 is pretty generous for Cyberpunk 2077. And I was hyped for the game and just like AJ I can't bring myself to finish it. I went back with my friends to GTA: Online thanks to the new DLC which I thought would flop due to close release to CP2077. Oh boy I was wrong. And GTA: Online is mediocre experience focused on MTX-kids and I am having more fun with it after 5 years than a game that got released 1-month ago.

My verdict is:



The story, characters, music and the world are perfect but they can't save whatever this game is supposed to be. I play games because they offer interactive experience, the dynamic systems can create unique scenarios and the randomness can be amusing. I am still impressed to this day that in GTA: Vice City a random NPC can drag you out of your car and steal it - just a random script. But this game gives me the feeling that no matter what I do it will always do 1 pre-scripted thing everytime I am in one specific situation. The bugs themselves are more impressive because some of them like naked A-pose on a bike are so surreal that I couldn't even make up in my head.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Enough sayd.

 

[kangaxx]

Enough sayd.

CP77 is trying to do different things to PST and FNV though (e.g. driving system, the combat).

Whether or not it does them well is a different debate, but to compare dialogue options from PST to CP and imply that CP's shit dialogue has something to do with the two decade gap and general decline is.. odd. There are modern games with deeper dialogue if that's your thing. CP is more of a looter-shooter/RPG-lite.

 

[Bliblablubb]

Seeing Angsty Joe in the game merch jacket reminds me of a few weeks ago:

I was shopping for booze healthy dairy products and saw some teenfag with weird bumpers on his shoulder opposite of me. Immediately reminded me of CyberBug's pozer jackets.
And lo and behold, when he turned around it was indeed that merch thing.

Boy oh boy was that cheap looking. The thinnest brittle fake leather material I have ever seen in my life. The way it was glued around those bumpers literally screamed "Don't touch me or I rip!".

It made Fallout76's "canvas backpacks" look like quality goods.
Very sad.

 

[Gargaune]

One thing has been bugging me
Both V and Jackie witnessed Arasaka's murder
Couldn't V just post a video of that online?

I mean, it's safe to assume his augmented eyes could take photos
Also T-Bug was connected to them so she could see what they saw or at least use one of the camera's in the penthouse since she controlled the security system (so she could have made a recording of that)
Plus you also have that braindance shit, so really I can't see no way how they couldn't have recorded that
And even if the recording would have been legally considered as false it would still massively hurt Arasaka's son reputation and exonorate V a little bit

I might be mistaken but I think you need specific hardware to record braindances, and T-bug who had shut down the security systems fried right after the murder *shrug

Hold up... So, if in 2077 people can't take photos with their intra-cranial fruitphones, does that mean nobody photographs their fucking food anymore?

Spoiler

GOTY!

 

[Myobi]

I propose a drinking game, every time you see one Bugthesda fangirl trying to use cyberpunk as a coping mechanism, take a shot.

I'll say it again, the game could have used another extra year in the oven, but one needs to be batshit crazy to compare it to bugthesda games or even No Man's Sky launch, this bloody thing might have some ridiculous ass bugs and clearly a lot of incomplete or poorly implemented features, but at least you can finish it without player mods, unofficial patches or command consoles.

I would say its better, but closer to a Mass Effect Andromeda, and I say better because unlike ME, the story is pretty decent, the characters don’t make wanna die, the animations are much better, and Panam’s ass.

If I had to slap a number on it, 6.5-7/10.