CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[mediocrepoet]

You butthead. You almost made me ignore you. I thought that was a gonna be a funny link to video or something. Thank god it gives you confirmation before you ignore. I didn't want to do that.

I fixed it. Thanks bro.

 

[Absinthe]

You butthead. You almost made me ignore you. I thought that was a gonna be a funny link to video or something. Thank god it gives you confirmation before you ignore. I didn't want to do that.

I fixed it. Thanks bro.

Something really boring probably. Didn't read it.

Click me to salve your butthurt and stop whining like a little bitch!

EDIT: Edited by request of Pink Eye.

Why do you have links of gay furry shit ready at a moment's notice?

Is there something you're not telling us?

 

[mediocrepoet]

Vaguely on-topic +1 post:

Sure, a genre that's literally about corporations grinding everyone down and eclipsing national governments is clearly making a political statement that's broadly anticapitalist at the least.
However, not every piece of media is making a political statement. Trying to drag some political discourse out of CP2077 is akin to saying that Schwarzenegger's Commando (1985) is a deeply thoughtful critique of US Foreign Policy in the Reagan era.
Furthermore, claims by people who haven't even played the game that CDPR would've avoided complaints about T-posing and other glitches are incredibly delusional and ignorant of the fact that although CP2077 launched in a fine state for even a moderately decent gaming PC, it was utterly beyond broken for last gen consoles at the very least, as well as some people's toasters. As a result of being able to get janky videos out of the old console launches, it became a meme as people dogpiled the game.
Disappearing cops was annoying, but the least of the game's issues.

Re: gay furry shit, I googled for something I thought you'd like Absinthe. I figured maybe you'd stop being butthurt, but I guess nothing can help that. Go whine somewhere else.

 

[Ryzer]

The real Cyberpunk game is on this thread all along.

 

[mediocrepoet]

The real Cyberpunk game is on this thread all along.

 

[Grunker]

Trying to drag some political discourse out of CP2077 is akin to saying that Schwarzenegger's Commando (1985) is a deeply thoughtful critique of US Foreign Policy in the Reagan era

cyberpunk begins and ends with political commentary

in your comparison, trying to detach cyberpunk from politics is like trying to detach commando from explosions

it's literally the basis for the whole thing

i haven't played cp77 yet but if it's completely detached from politics i can understand why people think it's so bland. how the fuck you gonna do cyberdystopia w/o politics lol

also you should read some cyberpunk fiction, because you clearly haven't. maybe start with neuromancer

 

[ERYFKRAD]

is like trying to detach commando from explosions

Don't do that, he's probably more dangerous with the knife.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Trying to drag some political discourse out of CP2077 is akin to saying that Schwarzenegger's Commando (1985) is a deeply thoughtful critique of US Foreign Policy in the Reagan era

cyberpunk begins and ends with political commentary

in your comparison, trying to detach cyberpunk from politics is like trying to detach commando from explosions

it's literally the basis for the whole thing

i haven't played cp77 yet but if it's completely detached from politics i can understand why people think it's so bland. how the fuck you gonna do cyberdystopia w/o politics lol

also you should read some cyberpunk fiction, because you clearly haven't. maybe start with neuromancer

I've read Neuromancer as well as a variety of others in the genre, played tabletop Shadowrun, etc., etc. I mean, you're seriously pretentious sometimes, man.

This game is a skin deep type of Cyberpunk game. You can have a cyberpunk dressing without really engaging with much of anything outside of a few broad ideas. If you don't get that, you must find deep meaning in every entry of the Call of Duty franchise. Everything is a text, amirite?

This game is literally a looter shooter with a depressing narrative story. You'd be better off comparing it to some mash up of Borderlands and Mass Effect and then determining whether you'd expect such a thing to have some sort of deeper meaning, than to sperg out about whether or not I've read Gibson, Stephenson, Dick, et al.

 

[Absinthe]

Vaguely on-topic +1 post:

Sure, a genre that's literally about corporations grinding everyone down and eclipsing national governments is clearly making a political statement that's broadly anticapitalist at the least.
However, not every piece of media is making a political statement. Trying to drag some political discourse out of CP2077 is akin to saying that Schwarzenegger's Commando (1985) is a deeply thoughtful critique of US Foreign Policy in the Reagan era.

No, the political themes are part of the cyberpunk setting. Doesn't need to be overt, but it does need to be a present part of the world. You're right that CP2077 is pretty much trash on the politics front, but that's part of the criticism about why it does a shit job of being cyberpunk.

Furthermore, claims by people who haven't even played the game that CDPR would've avoided complaints about T-posing and other glitches are incredibly delusional and ignorant of the fact that although CP2077 launched in a fine state for even a moderately decent gaming PC, it was utterly beyond broken for last gen consoles at the very least, as well as some people's toasters. As a result of being able to get janky videos out of the old console launches, it became a meme as people dogpiled the game.
Disappearing cops was annoying, but the least of the game's issues.

You're right about this much. CP2077 was broken as hell on launch and would've been a shitshow either way, but a failure to live up to the central premise of being a cyberpunk world is still pretty damning.

Re: gay furry shit, I googled for something I thought you'd like Absinthe. I figured maybe you'd stop being butthurt, but I guess nothing can help that. Go whine somewhere else.

You know, it was only a few hours ago that you were talking about how little attention you receive and how you equate receiving attention with wanting to have your dick sucked. I guess I should've known with a name like mediocrepoet...

 

[Grunker]

I'm pretentious because I say cyberpunk is inherently political? lol. that's a low bar for pretentiousness

You can have a cyberpunk dressing without really engaging with much of anything outside of a few broad ideas

yes. that is called bad cyberpunk

just like commando would be bad without any pew pew stab stab

 

[mediocrepoet]

I'm pretentious because I say cyberpunk is inherently political? lol. that's a low bar for pretentiousness

You can have a cyberpunk dressing without really engaging with much of anything outside of a few broad ideas

yes. that is called bad cyberpunk

just like commando would be bad without any pew pew stab stab

No, for telling me to read Gibson and assuming I haven't read anything simply because I'm pointing out that trying to mill this particular game for a political decision is a reach at best. And, as usual around here, tends to angle down the same boring corridors ad infinitum.

 

[Grunker]

I'm pretentious because I say cyberpunk is inherently political? lol. that's a low bar for pretentiousness

You can have a cyberpunk dressing without really engaging with much of anything outside of a few broad ideas

yes. that is called bad cyberpunk

just like commando would be bad without any pew pew stab stab

No, for telling me to read Gibson and assuming I haven't read anything simply because I'm pointing out that trying to mill this particular game for a political decision is a reach at best. And, as usual around here, tends to angle down the same boring corridors ad infinitum.

it's not pretentious to assume one hasn't read Gibson or anything else cyberpunk for that matter when one makes as baffling claims as cyberpunk not being political by definition

what might be pretentious is concluding you don't understand the genre at all if you are indeed familiar with it yet still make that claim

 

[mediocrepoet]

it's not pretentious to assume one hasn't read Gibson or anything else cyberpunk for that matter when one makes as baffling claims as cyberpunk not being political by definition

what might be pretentious is concluding you don't understand the genre at all if you are indeed familiar with it yet still make that claim

Jesus Christ man. I know you're ESL but look...

Sure, a genre that's literally about corporations grinding everyone down and eclipsing national governments is clearly making a political statement that's broadly anticapitalist at the least.

This is about the cyberpunk genre. I clearly say it's political.

However, not every piece of media is making a political statement. Trying to drag some political discourse out of CP2077 is akin to saying that Schwarzenegger's Commando (1985) is a deeply thoughtful critique of US Foreign Policy in the Reagan era.

This is about Cyberpunk 2077, a specific game in a genre.

Is there anything else you need help with?

 

[Grunker]

so you're saying that cyberpunk is inherently political and can't be depoliticized

and you're also saying that it's still not a problem for a cyberpunk game that it is not political

my mistake

 

[mediocrepoet]

so you're saying that cyberpunk is inherently political and can't be depoliticized

and you're also saying that it's still not a problem for a cyberpunk game that it is not political

my mistake

No, you're just putting words in my mouth. At no point did I make any claim that CP2077 isn't a bad cyberpunk game in the manner you're putting it. In fact, based on half the stuff you spouted so far, I fully expect you to hate it if you ever play it.

If you noticed anything I said back at the time the game launched, like many others, I enjoyed the game. But it was all about eye candy aspects and screwing around doing nothing. It had nothing to do with the narrative or overall setting and definitely nothing to do with cyberpunk thematic elements beyond the visual.

Play the game, then come back and tell us what deep statements its made about... anything. There are some interesting ideas about identity and mortality. I wouldn't call them political by any stretch. Philosophical would be a better description.

 

[Grunker]

so you're saying that cyberpunk is inherently political and can't be depoliticized

and you're also saying that it's still not a problem for a cyberpunk game that it is not political

my mistake

No, you're just putting words in my mouth. At no point did I make any claim that CP2077 isn't a bad cyberpunk game in the manner you're putting it. In fact, based on half the stuff you spouted so far, I fully expect you to hate it if you ever play it.

If you noticed anything I said back at the time the game launched, like many others, I enjoyed the game. But it was all about eye candy aspects and screwing around doing nothing. It had nothing to do with the narrative or overall setting and definitely nothing to do with cyberpunk thematic elements beyond the visual.

Play the game, then come back and tell us what deep statements its made about... anything. There are some interesting ideas about identity and mortality. I wouldn't call them political by any stretch. Philosophical would be a better description.

Let me remind you where the discussion began since you've clearly forgotten

 

[mediocrepoet]

Didn't forget, you just seem keen on assigning intent to me despite anything I say.

A lot of the arguments against it, from my understanding, were more about being bored of the usual political tracks that these things always go down here and we'd seen a lot of it already. e.g. why would trans exist in such a world, etc., etc.

So, really, if you have something to discuss about that, I'm not standing in anyone's way. Really, my main point has simply been that the game doesn't deeply get into anything so there's not much interesting to discuss along political lines related to CP2077 (feel free to prove me wrong with specifc examples) and that most of the "political" commentary around here is pretty low brow, boring, and repetitive. And I wasn't the first nor the last to say so in this thread.

So please, Grunker bring up something interesting and relevant to this particular game and quit pulling out irrelevant observations about the literary genre as a whole.

 

[Grunker]

it's funny how you keep attributing me with assigning intent despite the fact that whether it's goal-post moving or simply you misreading the people you're discussing with from the beginning, your point is straying further and further from being remotely related to the discussion

despite claiming you didn't forget, this is the post that caused you to have your spat with rusty

If Red Dead Redemption was named “Western” or if Skyrim was named “Fantasy,” they would still work because those genres are related to setting or aesthetics, and really any style of story can be told within these genres. However, the cyberpunk genre, perhaps more than any other, is entwined with the themes of the stories told within it.

yet you have now danced around your own arguments to the point it looks like you don't disagree with that statement at all. which begs the question what the fuck you actually do disagree with, then

 

[mediocrepoet]

Grunker You ever notice how I never quoted that bit or addressed it in any manner? Perhaps it was for a reason.
You guys keep trying to dogpile me for things I never claimed or even pretended to.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Saying that everything is political is a truism. You have to distinguish between things being inherently political and something being politicized (which, besides some token concessions to the usual suspects, Cyberpunk 2077 is not).

 

[Grunker]

Grunker You ever notice how I never quoted that bit or addressed it in any manner? Perhaps it was for a reason.
You guys keep trying to dogpile me for things I never claimed or even pretended to.

which begs the question what the fuck you actually do disagree with

 

[Grunker]

Saying that everything is political

which i didn't. the entire point is that (good) cyberpunk is uniquely political compared to comparable genres

 

[mediocrepoet]

I will address a few things though:

despite claiming you didn't forget, this is the post that caused you to have your spat with rusty

This is actually false. Sort of. I addressed what he had to say but not the quote. In fact, I completely ignored the quote and was mostly just giving a general stfu about politics in this not really deeply political game + a taste of his own contrarianism that he likes to try and bait others with.

If Red Dead Redemption was named “Western” or if Skyrim was named “Fantasy,” they would still work because those genres are related to setting or aesthetics, and really any style of story can be told within these genres. However, the cyberpunk genre, perhaps more than any other, is entwined with the themes of the stories told within it.

Regarding this actual quote though, I'd reply this:

Cyberpunk 2020 --> Cyberpunk 2077 is a trademark and the title of the setting they've licensed, for better or worse. This sort of shitty critique is like complaining that "Final Fantasy" should be criticized because many of the games have sci fi elements and games like Final Fantasy VII and VIII are basically completely sci fi settings and have basically nothing to do with fantasy.

Some points are so stupid, they don't even really bear discussing. YMMV

 

[Grunker]

what the fuck even is your point lol. do you know yourself?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

which i didn't. the entire point is that (good) cyberpunk is uniquely political compared to comparable genres

Didn't accuse you, m8. I only took part in the arguing with rusty and didn't bother to keep up with the discussion after that.