CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[DeepOcean]

You guys telling me that nu-Deus Ex is actually worth playing? I gave up on the series after Human Revolution

The DLCs for Mankind Divided have the best level design of the Nu Deus Exes, really interesting how their team was learning level design and really reaching closer and closer to Dishonored level design on their last DLC, pity they ended victim of Square Enix incompetence. Desu Ex 5 from Eidos Montreal with current consoles that arent toasters anymore, could have killer level design.

 

[Kem0sabe]

You guys telling me that nu-Deus Ex is actually worth playing? I gave up on the series after Human Revolution

The DLCs for Mankind Divided have the best level design of the Nu Deus Exes, really interesting how their team was learning level design and really reaching closer and closer to Dishonored level design on their last DLC, pity they ended victim of Square Enix incompetence. Desu Ex 5 from Eidos Montreal with current consoles that arent toasters anymore, could have killer level design.

Agree, the great potential of the modern Deus ex series is one of the biggest victims of Square Enix's mismanagement

 

[Perkel]

 

[Gargaune]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

 

[racofer]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

My guess is because they will change system requirements. There's a long going thread about it over at the CDPR forums, and a lot of people are pissed as they may no longer be able to run the game that currently works on their systems.

 

[Gargaune]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

My guess is because they will change system requirements. There's a long going thread about it over at the CDPR forums, and a lot of people are pissed as they may no longer be able to run the game that currently works on their systems.

That's a fair point. Have CDPR said anything about keeping the old 1.6 build available to existing customers? Obviously, GOG customers have the option to just backup the current offline installers, but Steam users would be getting royally fucked over this.

 

[GhostCow]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

My guess is because they will change system requirements. There's a long going thread about it over at the CDPR forums, and a lot of people are pissed as they may no longer be able to run the game that currently works on their systems.

That's a fair point. Have CDPR said anything about keeping the old 1.6 build available to existing customers? Obviously, GOG customers have the option to just backup the current offline installers, but Steam users would be getting royally fucked over this.

You can just put the old one in a beta branch or something for steam

 

[racofer]

Have CDPR said anything about

Nothing. Not even how much of a difference there will be in terms of performance with patch 2.0, despite several people asking.

 

[Vyvian]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

My guess is because they will change system requirements. There's a long going thread about it over at the CDPR forums, and a lot of people are pissed as they may no longer be able to run the game that currently works on their systems.

I get it but at the same time I'm really not liking how this seems to be a thing now.
It just feels gross when companies change system requirements years after the fact and effectively tell people who already bought the game to fuck off.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

My guess is because they will change system requirements. There's a long going thread about it over at the CDPR forums, and a lot of people are pissed as they may no longer be able to run the game that currently works on their systems.

I get it but at the same time I'm really not liking how this seems to be a thing now.
It just feels gross when companies change system requirements years after the fact and effectively tell people who already bought the game to fuck off.

Okay, again.

Codex when CP2077 gets released - "Whaaa! They downgraded the PC graphics because of the shitty consoles!"
Codex when CP2077 ditches the console limitations - "Whaaa! People won't be able to play the game anymore!"

Jesus Christ, it's like CP2077 criticism is a black hole of retardation. The game gets a lift after 3 years and that's somehow bad, because you will forever remain on your old rig and never buy something newer and better. I remember playing this thing on release, on a GTX1660. Three years later I now have an RTX3070. You know what would be truly gross? A game that was left abandoned after the release, with you being unable to play it without a legacy OS.

People, get your shit together, seriously!

 

[Vyvian]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

My guess is because they will change system requirements. There's a long going thread about it over at the CDPR forums, and a lot of people are pissed as they may no longer be able to run the game that currently works on their systems.

I get it but at the same time I'm really not liking how this seems to be a thing now.
It just feels gross when companies change system requirements years after the fact and effectively tell people who already bought the game to fuck off.

Okay, again.

Codex when CP2077 gets released - "Whaaa! They downgraded the PC graphics because of the shitty consoles!"
Codex when CP2077 ditches the console limitations - "Whaaa! People won't be able to play the game anymore!"

Jesus Christ, it's like CP2077 criticism is a black hole of retardation. The game gets a lift after 3 years and that's somehow bad, because you will forever remain on your old rig and never buy something newer and better. I remember playing this thing on release, on a GTX1660. Three years later I now have an RTX3070. You know what would be truly gross? A game that was left abandoned after the release, with you being unable to play it without a legacy OS.

People, get your shit together, seriously!

It's almost like different people have different beliefs and you can't put everyone into one camp or another.
People paid for a game that worked, changing it to require more than what people have played on for years without an option to keep what they had (apparently, we'll see if they use the beta branch or whatnot) will always feel skeevy no matter how you justify it.

 

[Modron]

I've never seen an expansion with a preorder bonus before.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

My guess is because they will change system requirements.

is this the first case ever? because i might be wrong, but i'm under the impression at launch rdr2 didn't need w10 but now it does.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I don't get why people seem to be getting agitated over the 2.0 release date at this point. It's gotta come by the expansion's launch, at the latest, so whether it's next week or the week after, who cares, it's coming shortly.

I want the modders to have a good window in which to adapt mods to 2.0 so I can start my 2.0 playthrough with the DLC.

 

[Vyvian]

For me I want to have enough time to see if the game is even still fun for me after all the changes.
Just in case CDPR isn't overhyping how different the gameplay will feel even though I doubt it'll change that much in feel.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Gameplay was already vastly better with what you could install on top of 1.62

 

[Gargaune]

You can just put the old one in a beta branch or something for steam

"You" meaning the user or the developer? As in, could the average Steam user just elect to use the old build, or does CDPR have to stick 1.62 on the Beta branch?

I get it but at the same time I'm really not liking how this seems to be a thing now.
It just feels gross when companies change system requirements years after the fact and effectively tell people who already bought the game to fuck off.

Steam: "Lol, just change your OS, bro!"
CDPR: "Lol, just buy a new PC, bro!"
Owlcat: "Lol, just let me mine your data, bro!"

Yeah, the clownshow that is the IT industry is fast reaching boiling point. Videogames are the least offender, sure, but the rest would be off-topic. I honestly haven't pirated a videogame in like twenty years, no torrents, no bootlegs, no nothing, but the way shit's going these days doesn't inspire confidence in my continued boyscout behaviour.

Okay, again.

Codex when CP2077 gets released - "Whaaa! They downgraded the PC graphics because of the shitty consoles!"
Codex when CP2077 ditches the console limitations - "Whaaa! People won't be able to play the game anymore!"

Jesus Christ, it's like CP2077 criticism is a black hole of retardation. The game gets a lift after 3 years and that's somehow bad, because you will forever remain on your old rig and never buy something newer and better. I remember playing this thing on release, on a GTX1660. Three years later I now have an RTX3070. You know what would be truly gross? A game that was left abandoned after the release, with you being unable to play it without a legacy OS.

People, get your shit together, seriously!

Whoa, whoa, hold up there, sparky, are you actually saying this? At least in theory, upping minimum system requirements may genuinely strip some customers of their ability to use the product literally three years after they paid for it. Performance or, more precisely, whether you can run a game at all will impact your option whether or not to refund it within the agreed timeframe, it's a textbook legitimate reason to back out of an online purchase, but now we're well out of said timeframe. We're not even talking about some (big fucking quotation marks) "free" update, hardware costs serious money.

More importantly, this isn't fucking rocket science - CDPR can simply publish Cyberpunk 2077 "Enhanced Edition" or somesuch both on their GOG/Galaxy infrastructure and on Steam as a parallel product, free for existing customers, and the old gets pulled from sale. Like Bethesda did with their 64-bit Skyrim Special Edition. This isn't a big deal, they don't have to continue supporting the old version, just make sure it remains accessible to the original customers. And maybe they'll do it that way, but you can't blame people for being concerned absent confirmation.

This is not the hill you wanna defend CDPR on. I'm not a Cyberpunk "hater" by any means and my history through this thread backs that up, but if CDPR doesn't allow customers to hang on to their compatible build or provide a refund option for the ones getting cut off, that is a major fucking issue.

 

[tritosine2k]

a major fucking issue

...or how you just know the guys in capacity of THE SWITCH tw3 port aren't there in any capacity.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

This is not the hill you wanna defend CDPR on.

I don't need to defending them on it, since some of the recent takes here are really braindented. I'm just pointing out the usual Codex hypocrisy to the 'popular-to-hate' games.

 

[GhostCow]

You can just put the old one in a beta branch or something for steam

"You" meaning the user or the developer? As in, could the average Steam user just elect to use the old build, or does CDPR have to stick 1.62 on the Beta branch?

The dev puts it in a beta branch and the user can choose to install that version. Thousands of games on Steam have this.

Here's an example from my library:

 

[Gargaune]

I don't need to defending them on it, since some of the recent takes here are really braindented. I'm just pointing out the usual Codex hypocrisy to the 'popular-to-hate' games.

Sure, Cyberpunk's gotten plenty of legitimate criticism as well as tons of illegitimate criticism, "pop hate" is a thing on the Codex, but that doesn't mean we now gotta fall into the other extreme and excuse genuine malpractice if it occurs. Starting to see more of that on the Codex too.

The dev puts it in a beta branch and the user can choose to install that version. Thousands of games on Steam have this.

Here's an example from my library:

Thanks. So that'd be another technical solution in addition to just publishing a new edition.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

but that doesn't mean we now gotta fall into the other extreme and excuse genuine malpractice if it occurs. Starting to see more of that on the Codex too.

What I am saying is that it is a minor issue, an "issue" a lot of people see as a positive.

 

[Fedora Master]

So have they added a Skip Story feature yet

 

[Gargaune]

but that doesn't mean we now gotta fall into the other extreme and excuse genuine malpractice if it occurs. Starting to see more of that on the Codex too.

What I am saying is that it is a minor issue, an "issue" a lot of people see as a positive.

There's nothing "minor" about a company potentially leaving customers without access to the product they paid for, quite the contrary, this would be the biggest issue CDPR's ever coughed up if it actually plays out that way. Poor itemisation, "the police system", bugs, you can argue any of those are minor, but whether it's twenty or twenty thousand, "updating" people out of their €60 is altogether unacceptable. To add insult to injury, solutions would be readily available in the form of a new edition listing, Beta branches, GOG offline installers etc. - your "positive" doesn't have to be a negative for any current owners, these are separate aspects.

Again, CDPR may actually do something to that effect (I like to think they will, it would be gross incompetence not to) but you can't blame customers for getting nervous since nothing's been said on the topic. And downplaying it with "lol just buy a €100 SSD to keep enjoying your €60 game, grandpa" don't fly.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

And downplaying it with "lol just buy a €100 SSD to keep enjoying your €60 game, grandpa" don't fly.

Has a piano fallen on your head or something?

You can buy a M.2 1TB SSD those days brand new for 40€, a 500GB one for 25€. Using a HDD those days for gaming doesn't fly, grandpa. If you can't even afford to buy an SSD for that much, buying a €60 game sounds like a poor fucking financial decision.