CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Gargaune]

Using a HDD those days for gaming doesn't fly, grandpa

But it did three years ago, when you bought Cyberpunk 20-fucking-77! Do you seriously not get the point?! We're not talking about continued business, I don't expect CDPR to offer you the expansion on the initial sysreqs nor to even keep patching your build, we're only talking about you retaining access to your original purchase! Whether it's €100, €40 or €1.40 is immaterial, your transaction's been completed, your distance selling/refund period's long gone, you shouldn't have to engage in any additional expenditures to just access that product on the prior agreed terms.

I don't understand how you can get so hung up in defending a bloody videogame that you're missing the much larger problem of your consumer rights, your ability to retain the value of your spent eurobucks. We've never really had proper consumer protection in the IT sector to begin with, but now companies have been getting outright brazen about leveraging that regulatory vacuum and you're happy to cheer them on.

P.S. What the fuck is your problem with them keeping a legacy download up for v.1.63 anyway? You do understand that's all it takes, right?

 

[ind33d]

i would buy phantom liberty but there is zero chance i want to replay the entire game for it. i already spent 80 hours on 2077. this is like the goddamned nu deus ex DLCs all over again

 

[Gargaune]

i would buy phantom liberty but there is zero chance i want to replay the entire game for it.

You won't have to, if I recall correctly, they said you can load it on your old save or use a quickstart option that'll drop you right into it.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

Using a HDD those days for gaming doesn't fly, grandpa

P.S. What the fuck is your problem with them keeping a legacy download up for v.1.63 anyway? You do understand that's all it takes, right?

Sure, that would be nice, but even if they don't it doesn't really matter that much. Unless you are in the old folks home ranting about those fancy new SSDs things the kids are using those days. All five of you.

I on the other hand am happy that the game gets an upgrade it always deserved.

 

[Yosharian]

P.S. What the fuck is your problem with them keeping a legacy download up for v.1.63 anyway? You do understand that's all it takes, right?

Isn't there a significant cost associated with keeping those files available for download?

 

[Azdul]

This is not the hill you wanna defend CDPR on.

I don't need to defending them on it, since some of the recent takes here are really braindented. I'm just pointing out the usual Codex hypocrisy to the 'popular-to-hate' games.

Valve bended over backwards to accomodate publishers that want to downgrade soundtrack after release or get rid of access to that one EXE version that for some unexplained reason does not have Denuvo.

However - Valve decision is not being questioned - and mandatory updates - feature detrimental to end users - is here to stay. Even if it retroactively restricted ownership of games people already bought. Instead - anyone who publishes game on Steam should support users who never got around to installing Service Pack 1 for Windows 7 - and support old graphics APIs forever - because for some GPU models producer dropped support and they won't have modern working drivers.

If you've bought software that initially supported Windows 95 - in 95% of cases it no longer does. Linux kernel dropped support for 386 hardware and few years later for 486.

Industry standard is to provide older builds for users that need them - with occasional hotfix for major security issues. If other Steam feature can be misused for that purpose in short term - publishers should take advantage of it.

Long term solution for end users is buying from DRM-free platforms - like GOG, Zoom or Itch.io.

 

[AwesomeButton]

How much would requirements be raised anyway? Outside of the DLC area, I doubt it would be perceptible. The changes to mechanics they have been advertising don't warrant a raise in the performance requirements greater than installing some gameplay mods would, which is none. The most resource intensive thing I see in the 2.0 bullet points shown by outlets is the updates to combat AI, which *may* add some CPU load but nothing too much. I think the whole "changing requirements" story exists because of CDPR being legally obliged to update them, and the media have made a story out of it.

 

[Perkel]

DLC isn't released on last gen consoles. Which means they have free reign to up meshes count shaders etc. I wouldn't be shocked if they would do general pass on textures and would include higher res textures for whole city not just dlc area as this could be easily automated. Same with amount of effects, light sizes etc. Increase amount of objects that cast shadows is also easily done.

Game despite being cross gen looks better than most of new "next gen" games and with expansion they can up that status for a bit longer.

 

[Fedora Master]

But it did three years ago, when you bought Cyberpunk 20-fucking-77!

No it didn't

 

[AwesomeButton]

DLC isn't released on last gen consoles. Which means they have free reign to up meshes count shaders etc. I wouldn't be shocked if they would do general pass on textures and would include higher res textures for whole city not just dlc area as this could be easily automated. Same with amount of effects, light sizes etc. Increase amount of objects that cast shadows is also easily done.

Game despite being cross gen looks better than most of new "next gen" games and with expansion they can up that status for a bit longer.

I hadn't thought of that. Now it adds up - the significant changes will be the drop of old gen console support. PC requirements will most likely not change, or they'll change so as to not be lower than the updated minimum console equivalent.

I don't expect them to do all the rehashes you list. I think if that were so, they would have been advertising it as "2.0 brings a Cyberpunk HD version" or something like that. But maybe they will increase the viewing distance, and update LoDs respective to that. I think that much is safe to expect.

Also, upping the detail on geometry and textures, or LoD distance, is not something that would raise the *minimum* spec requirements because these changes are behind a Video options ingame setting, and it's unthinkable that the new "Low" will outdo the pre-2.0 "High" or "Ultra". Nah the new requirements will mostly concern consoles.

 

[Perkel]

DLC isn't released on last gen consoles. Which means they have free reign to up meshes count shaders etc. I wouldn't be shocked if they would do general pass on textures and would include higher res textures for whole city not just dlc area as this could be easily automated. Same with amount of effects, light sizes etc. Increase amount of objects that cast shadows is also easily done.

Game despite being cross gen looks better than most of new "next gen" games and with expansion they can up that status for a bit longer.

I hadn't thought of that. Now it adds up - the significant changes will be the drop of old gen console support. PC requirements will most likely not change, or they'll change so as to not be lower than the updated minimum console equivalent.

I wouldn't be so sure. Few years gone so they will set new minimum to current pcs.

2.0 is effectively "enchanced edition" they used to release before TW3.

 

[Kev Inkline]

Game?

That's the game you play the quests to find new photo oppurtunities.

Is that your character on the right? Looks Albanian.

 

[Gargaune]

Sure, that would be nice, but even if they don't it doesn't really matter that much. Unless you are in the old folks home ranting about those fancy new SSDs things the kids are using those days. All five of you.

I on the other hand am happy that the game gets an upgrade it always deserved.

Man, why are you so invested in Cyberpunk 2077 when it's clear you're already living in Cyberpunk 2023 and quite happy about it?

Isn't there a significant cost associated with keeping those files available for download?

I very much doubt the logistics of listing a separate app package is a noticeable expense for a company like CDPR, not that it would be an excuse for just bumming a bunch of honest customers out of their product. You could then argue over the cessation of live services like online games, but that's a different discussion and there's no point, this just isn't it.

However - Valve decision is not being questioned - and mandatory updates - feature detrimental to end users - is here to stay.

Won't speak for others, but I've "questioned" Valve's decisions aplenty.

How much would requirements be raised anyway? Outside of the DLC area, I doubt it would be perceptible. The changes to mechanics they have been advertising don't warrant a raise in the performance requirements greater than installing some gameplay mods would, which is none. The most resource intensive thing I see in the 2.0 bullet points shown by outlets is the updates to combat AI, which *may* add some CPU load but nothing too much. I think the whole "changing requirements" story exists because of CDPR being legally obliged to update them, and the media have made a story out of it.

It's also possible it's just an arse-covering measure, tell 'em we now need quantum CPUs so they don't come crying to us when they run it on a Pentium. The entire discussion's been hypothetical, we don't yet know how performance will be impacted or whether CDPR will actually be so callous not to provision for impacted customers. But I am disturbed to see how little some consumers care about their own rights. Maybe the real cyberpunk is the forum posts we made along the way.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

Man, why are you so invested in Cyberpunk 2077 when it's clear you're already living in Cyberpunk 2023 and quite happy about it?

Are you supposed to have some kind of point or did you run out of easily refutable arguments?

 

[mediocrepoet]

Man, why are you so invested in Cyberpunk 2077 when it's clear you're already living in Cyberpunk 2023 and quite happy about it?

Are you supposed to have some kind of point or did you run out of easily refutable arguments?

Why be mad if a company can delete your .exe unless you drop hundreds of dollars on .exe restoration hardware? It's a new year, you should have already bought that. Screw what you paid for already!

Good point. I can't understand why you're having everyone else disagree with you.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

Man, why are you so invested in Cyberpunk 2077 when it's clear you're already living in Cyberpunk 2023 and quite happy about it?

Are you supposed to have some kind of point or did you run out of easily refutable arguments?

Why be mad if a company can delete your .exe unless you drop hundreds of dollars on .exe restoration hardware? It's a new year, you should have already bought that. Screw what you paid for already!

Good point. I can't understand why you're having everyone else disagree with you.

A handful of retards is not "everyone" mind you.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Man, why are you so invested in Cyberpunk 2077 when it's clear you're already living in Cyberpunk 2023 and quite happy about it?

Are you supposed to have some kind of point or did you run out of easily refutable arguments?

Why be mad if a company can delete your .exe unless you drop hundreds of dollars on .exe restoration hardware? It's a new year, you should have already bought that. Screw what you paid for already!

Good point. I can't understand why you're having everyone else disagree with you.

A handful of retards is not "everyone" mind you.

While true, you're evading the point and misrepresenting their concern which is simply about potentially losing access to a product they paid for and that had been functional up until some action taken by a vendor. That would be bullshit by any metric and possibly vulnerable to legal action.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

While true, you're evading the point and misrepresenting their concern which is simply about potentially losing access to a product they paid for and that had been functional up until some action taken by a vendor. That would be bullshit by any metric and possibly vulnerable to legal action.

Oh no, I totally understand the theoretical concerns about the possibly of losing the ability to play a game you paid for and were able to play till now. It's just that I consider this particular example a non-issue because it involves people that don't have SSDs at this point. It reminds me how back in the day someone here on Codex seriously implied we should "think of the console players(retards)" because they can't play Cyberpunk 2077 properly. Suffice to say, I laughed in his face.

You understand that purely theoretically, this issue goes both way?

For example, you have a game that only runs under Windows 7. The problem is that most of the world moved on and they now have a newer OS running on their PCs. The developer at some point offers to update the game for newer systems, but at the same time that version will stop working under Windows 7. Most of the people will be happy to regain the agility to use the game they paid for... but oh no, now some five guys are screeching that they still play that game and don't have Windows 10. Who is right at that point? Should the game be left as is, or should it be updated while ignoring the minority? Going by your logic it should stay as is, but you can see how that is not exactly practical?

So excuse me but in my self interest I don't really care if the people with HDDs will get a backup of 1.62 or not, I want to have my game upgraded to make sure it lasts longer. I highly doubt anybody here that rates me "retarded" is still running their system on a HDD. If you do, might look in the mirror before rate me again.

 

[AwesomeButton]

To me it looks like you're arguing abouth a hypothetical scenario that's very unlikely to come to pass.

 

[Gargaune]

Are you supposed to have some kind of point or did you run out of easily refutable arguments?

What should've I been arguing against anymore? About the only point you seem to be making is that it's okay for a business to screw customers out of their purchase as long as it's only a certain minority of the customers, which is axiomatically stupid.

The developer at some point offers to update the game for newer systems, but at the same time that version will stop working under Windows 7.

And yet again you misrepresent the problem. If your developer "offers" to update the game, that implies the possibility to take it or leave it, your hypothetical Windows 7 old-timer could decline and stick with what he's got. Unless your definition of "offer" involves Luca Brasi.

Who is right at that point? Should the game be left as is, or should it be updated while ignoring the minority? Going by your logic it should stay as is, but you can see how that is not exactly practical?

Simple - the update should only be available to Windows 10 users and the Windows 7 ones should retain access to their existing, non-updated product. You get your shiny new police chases and grandpa gets to keep what he paid for in the first place, and it's not even all that complicated an arrangement. Yet you appear to regard ethical business conduct as "nice, but even if they don't it doesn't really matter that much."

So excuse me but in my self interest I don't really care if the people with HDDs will get a backup of 1.62 or not, I want to have my game upgraded to make sure it lasts longer.

"I don't care about others getting fucked over because it's shiny and that could never, ever happen to me."

 

[Steezus]

What are people being screwed out of? Can't you just beta branch the old build?

 

[racofer]

What are people being screwed out of? Can't you just beta branch the old build?

Nobody knows yet.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

"I don't care about others getting fucked over because it's shiny and that could never, ever happen to me."

It won't, because I keep my system relatively up-to-date. If I wouldn't be able to even do that, then I have much bigger problems then simply being unable to run a game.

 

[Steezus]

What are people being screwed out of? Can't you just beta branch the old build?

Nobody knows yet.

Okay, assuming it won't be possible. Yeah, shit sucks, but if I had the choice between Phantom Liberty and base game with cool new and more involved systems and Phantom Liberty being held back by old gen consoles like the base game, then shit, give me higher requirements all day.

 

[Kev Inkline]

People with HDDs only are either filthy beggars or noble kings. The former if they want to play AAA games with that setup of theirs, the latter if they're interested in roguelikes from any era, ASCII games in particular, and classic isometric games from the golden years etc usw, so forth.
It's obvious that the first mentioned group should be removed from the gene pool (nonviolently) to improve the society.