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[Sentinel]

How is exactly is PoE2 being casualized?

Everything per encounter, including spells. Endurance/Health mechanic replaced by a single health bar which always replenishes after combat, with knockout injuries serving the purpose of strategic health management.

Lots of other changes but they're not obvious casualisation, like those two.

edit: roguey'ed

I don't think any of these changes are "casualization" in and of themselves, they're just "changes". However I don't remember something: what are they changing to be per-encounter? Is it "You now have 2 per-encounter 9th level spells" or is it "You now have 2 individual per encounter charges of any spell in your spell list"?
If it's the former how casualized it'll be will depend on how many "per level charges" you're granted. If it's the latter it's absolutely retarded and might as well give me cooldowns to prevent spamming.

But as others have expressed, I don't have much hope for PoE2. I expect it to be a fully mediocre game, actually weaker than PoE1 in many aspects. The only hope I have is that Sawyer, as Narrative Lead/Director, same role he fulfilled in New Vegas, manages to contain the SJW retard spasms that the writers will inevitably have, as he also did for New Vegas.

 

[ga♥]

BG2 > PoE > BG

 

[Sentinel]

BG2 > PoE > BG

Got a problem with it, faggot?

 

[ga♥]

Got a problem with it, faggot?

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[Sentinel]

BG2 > PoE > BG

Got a problem with it, faggot?

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Are you gonna articulate what's wrong or are you going to insist on posting self-portraits?

 

[Quillon]

The only hope I have is that Sawyer, as Narrative Lead/Director, same role he fulfilled in New Vegas, manages to contain the SJW retard spasms that the writers will inevitably have, as he also did for New Vegas.

John Gonzalez was narrative lead for NV. Also most ppl here are accusing Sawyer of those things you said he stands against.

 

[Sentinel]

The only hope I have is that Sawyer, as Narrative Lead/Director, same role he fulfilled in New Vegas, manages to contain the SJW retard spasms that the writers will inevitably have, as he also did for New Vegas.

John Gonzalez was narrative lead for NV. Also most ppl here are accusing Sawyer of those things you said he stands against.

I know John Gonzalez was the Narrative Lead, but Josh Sawyer oversaw/directed a lot of the writing.

 

[Roguey]

If it's the former how casualized it'll be will depend on how many "per level charges" you're granted. If it's the latter it's absolutely retarded and might as well give me cooldowns to prevent spamming.

They work like spells normally work, except they're weaker versions of them. To get the normal version, you have to power it up with a resource that's replenished through rest. Josh said he made this change because too many bad players were spamming all their spells in every fight, then resting/backtracking to rest. He also stated he removed endurance/health because too many players found it confusing. These are changes he's making to cater to the worst of players, i.e. casualization.

 

[Quillon]

I know John Gonzalez was the Narrative Lead, but Josh Sawyer oversaw/directed a lot of the writing.

I recall he said he collaborated with JohnGonzo over the main arc but I don't think he had a lot to do with most other writing simply cos there was too much writing and too much other things for him to manage/do for NV. Also John Gonzo has a GDC talk/panel about NV, it seemed to me he had pretty much all the reins.

http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1013775/Narrative-Design-Between-the-Lines

 

[Rev]

They work like spells normally work, except they're weaker versions of them. To get the normal version, you have to power it up with a resource that's replenished through rest. Josh said he made this change because too many bad players were spamming all their spells in every fight, then resting/backtracking to rest. He also stated he removed endurance/health because too many players found it confusing. These are changes he's making to cater to the worst of players, i.e. casualization.

To be honest, I don't like the new spell system as it's been described for now, but I have hope it can turn out not as bad as it seems and maybe even interesting enough.
Now, on the other hand, I liked the health/endurance system and was really disappointed with its removal, and yes it was clearly done in order to casualize the game, which makes it even worse.

Still, I trust PoE2 will be good despite these two step-backs.

 

[Prime Junta]

The Sawyer giveth, the Sawyer taketh away.

From the sound of it, moment to moment gameplay will be better -- those keywords, for example -- but strategic resource management will be as good as gone. That's a loss, and it's certainly a loss to casualisation. Casuals can't into strategic resource management.

 

[Semper]

Josh said he made this change because too many bad players were spamming all their spells in every fight, then resting/backtracking to rest. [...] These are changes he's making to cater to the worst of players, i.e. casualization.

on the other hand sawyer is aware of the player's psychology and knows that losses stick. a weaker but unlimited spell still has that negative connotation the simple minded player is so afraid of. in favor of the more powerful solution of the "loaded" spell the weaker version will be hardly used, and the player is right back at the start where he's in constant need of resting. like endurance was it's just an added layer only there to confuse the worst.

 

[Infinitron]

Josh said he made this change because too many bad players were spamming all their spells in every fight, then resting/backtracking to rest. [...] These are changes he's making to cater to the worst of players, i.e. casualization.

on the other hand sawyer is aware of the player's psychology and knows that losses stick. a weaker but unlimited spell still has that negative connotation the simple minded player is so afraid of. in favor of the more powerful solution of the "loaded" spell the weaker version will be hardly used, and the player is right back at the start where he's in constant need of resting. like endurance was it's just an added layer only there to confuse the worst.

Players are even more afraid of using up limited resources (see potion hoarding) so no.

 

[Semper]

while potions cost gold (neglecting crafting), despite camping supplies resting seems not to be perceived as a limited resource - or as a needed but neglectable nuisance. else there would be no discussion about providing changes to give players ways to sling spells left and right in every encounter. imo only some kind of magic point system or cooldowns will cater to those players.

 

[Roguey]

Yeah, I have no doubt there will still be some people who will think "fuck these weaksauce spells, I'm going to alpha strike everything" and spam all their per-rest spells in every encounter, then backtrack to rest.

 

[Quillon]

I don't get the appeal of casting x number of more powerful versions of the same spells, I will cast the more powerful spell on the next level anyway. Seems to me its additional micromanagement/something I'll ignore except if my party is on brink of death and I'm using whatever I see. Still it doesn't sound like a well thought out quality feature; 3 arbitrary points to empower yourself using the power of the farts in the air... you can only smell so much before you rest.

Also while I like the concept of injuries on top of health(on top of endurance), really wondering how the game will convey 3 injuries = brink of perma death better than a depleted health bar = brink of perma death. You can miss 3 injury icons easily or ignore 2 injuries then when you saw its 3 and then death, its out of nowhere for you etc.

Also why are you guys talking PoE 2 here?

 

[Sentinel]

Because every thread is a PoE thread.

 

[Fairfax]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-kingmaker

MCA also seems to be writing an adventure for the PnP RPG, which is available as one of the rewards for $75 and above:

digital RPG adventure PDF by Chris Avellone

 

[stony3k]

Hmm... MCA on Crafting Intangibles: Chris Avellone on when to stop creating…

 

[Tom Selleck]

that's a big juicy ball sitting on a tee

"when all ur good 4 is kickstart vapourware lol hella lol" etc.

 

[Quillon]

Hmm... MCA on Crafting Intangibles: Chris Avellone on when to stop creating…

Must be a recent revelation for him. He didn't know when to stop creating Durance & GM apparently.

 

[ga♥]

Why does he have on his Twitter "- Game Designer/Writer, Torment (all 3) [...]"?

 

[Quillon]

pst, pstee, tton

 

[Infinitron]

Hmm... MCA on Crafting Intangibles: Chris Avellone on when to stop creating…

This is a special talk for Crafting Intangibles, an international online and local event on interactive narrative design, 10th-11th June, 2017.

He's giving pre-recorded talks now? lul.

 

[Quillon]