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[J_C]

PoE was a failure as a game? WTF

Of course it was. Haven't you seen the Codex' opinon?
http://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/how-would-you-rate-pillars-of-eternity.98108/

Oh, wait...

 

[Starwars]

The more a relatively few number of people revisit a thread and repost about how bad a game is, the worse it gets naturally. Heh.

 

[Lacrymas]

We are constantly going in circles about this, nobody has shown exactly why PoE is good as a game, the only argument boils down to "well, I liked it" which is inane. The only (relatively) good part is Durance and GM, and with MCA gone we won't even have that. I'd even say that the art, while competently executed, was generic as fuck, but at least it was competent.

 

[J_C]

We are constantly going in circles about this, nobody has shown exactly why PoE is good as a game, the only argument boils down to "well, I liked it" which is inane. The only (relatively) good part is Durance and GM, and with MCA gone we won't even have that. I'd even say that the art, while competently executed, was generic as fuck, but at least it was competent.

So why did they say that they liked it?

 

[Infinitron]

nobody has shown exactly why PoE is good as a game...The only (relatively) good part is Durance and GM

Here's what some of this forum's PoE arch-haters think about PoE:

1) It has strong character-building, stronger than most IE games. - Sensuki.

2) The Raedric questline is good. AFAIK, it has zero Avellone involvement. - Lhynn.

 

[Lacrymas]

1) Strong character-building, stronger than most IE games. Admitted by Sensuki.

If we compare it to BG and IWD, then yes, but that's not very hard to achieve

2) Raedric questline. AFAIK, zero Avellone involvement. Admitted by Lhynn.

Right... forgot about that, soooo Raedric questline, GM and Durance :p

 

[Irenaeus II]

The more a relatively few number of people revisit a thread and repost about how bad a game is, the worse it gets naturally. Heh.

I think the logic is that if they repeat PoE is bad enough times, the game will actually turn into a bad game. Have faith!

 

[Starwars]

We are constantly going in circles about this, nobody has shown exactly why PoE is good as a game, the only argument boils down to "well, I liked it" which is inane. The only (relatively) good part is Durance and GM, and with MCA gone we won't even have that. I'd even say that the art, while competently executed, was generic as fuck, but at least it was competent.

It has been said a million fucking times why people like this game, it's just that some people have their heads so far up their asses that they can only see their own shitposting. There is a certain type of oddly fanatical person that you can argue with a few times and then you go "well, no... this is kinda like trying to convince Volourn that NWN isn't the best game in the world. There are way more productive things to do than this. Even on the Codex."

 

[Lacrymas]

It has been said a million fucking times why people like this game

Yes and all the reasons have been blatantly shot down :p Sensuki has thoroughly deconstructed why the mechanics are shit and we've been discussing why the writing is awful and nonsensical for a while now. Continuing this discussion really is beating a dead horse and very off-topic.

On-topic: So, MCA wants to do his own pet project, that's gonna be fun to watch and potentially awesome.

 

[Irenaeus II]

The reasons have been shot up. Don't trust Lacrymas. Sensuki is mentally ill. Writing and gameplay are great in PoE.

 

[DosBuster]

It gets things wrong, but it's a good game at its core. Nice presentation/art style, manages to have accessible gameplay while still catering to a certain hardcore audience and it has a serviceable story.

 

[Starwars]

It has been said a million fucking times why people like this game

Yes and all the reasons have been blatantly shot down :p Sensuki has thoroughly deconstructed why the mechanics are shit and we've been discussing why the writing is awful and nonsensical for a while now. Continuing this discussion really is beating a dead horse and very off-topic.

On-topic: So, MCA wants to do his own pet project, that's gonna be fun to watch and potentially awesome.

Now, and you may want to hold on to your seat for this because it may blow your mind... what if a lot of the things that Sensuki has "thoroughly deconstructed" are things that some people actually like? And that some people actually like the writing? For example, I find the setting to be really good, most of the writing to be quite good (it varies obviously, but Edér is one of my fav companions of all time and the Council of Stars was fucking awesome). I could write a novel on why I like the gameplay but ultimately it'd be quite pointless because most likely the things I like about it are the things that you find to be bad. And that's the problem you see, because why the fuck should I spend lots of time explaining what I like when I know you're on a mission to not like it anyway? That's the reason why people won't indulge you. A lot of us have been hearing and talking about the same shit since the backer beta came out. While I think Sensuki has put forth great feedback (a lot of which I agree with), there's a reason why there are people who are sick of him since those days.

Personally I love him like a brother of course.

 

[Lacrymas]

...are things that some people actually like? And that some people actually like the writing?

This is where things start getting complicated. This is going to be true for everything, so it isn't off-topic. The problem with "some people like stuff, some don't" is that we can't base an argument or construct meaningful things on this. Sensuki has actually demonstrated why the mechanics just don't hold up and we've been discussing the technical/logical side of the writing which can be criticized. Not every opinion is made equal in this context, because multiple contradictory things can't be true at the same time (this is the second law of thought). It's either logical and it holds up to scrutiny or it doesn't. PoE generally doesn't. Some people like eating shit (literally), that doesn't make it gourmet food etc.

 

[Irenaeus II]

Sensuki is insane, hate to break it to you

 

[Infinitron]

Stop tagging Sensuki before this thread gets even more derailed.

P.S. The fair and balanced(tm) authority on PoE's mechanics is tdphys: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/pillars-combat-analysis-review.99034/

I hope he makes a new post after The White March is complete.

 

[Hegel]

Game is shit. Doesn't help that its most strenuous defenders either didn't play it or are clueless idiots or didn't give any fair reason (read: non retarded and objective) for their assertions.
And then there are the shills.

 

[Irenaeus II]

Game is great. Hegel likes modern art

 

[Lhynn]

Anyway, it all leads to the conclusion that MCA needed to get the hell out of there and so he did.

 

[Hegel]

Game is great. Hegel likes modern art

You've already been accounted for by the previous statement sweet cheeks; no need to flash your tits for my attention.

 

[Volrath]

It has been said a million fucking times why people like this game

Yes and all the reasons have been blatantly shot down :p Sensuki has thoroughly deconstructed why the mechanics are shit and we've been discussing why the writing is awful and nonsensical for a while now. Continuing this discussion really is beating a dead horse and very off-topic.

On-topic: So, MCA wants to do his own pet project, that's gonna be fun to watch and potentially awesome.

And Pope Amole II has destroyed every argument Sensuki ever made, it's just that people buried their head in the sand and went LALALALALA when he did it.

PoE is mediocre and ultimately forgettable. For most that's worse than being shit.

 

[Lhynn]

And Pope Amole II has destroyed every argument Sensuki ever made, it's just that people buried their head in the sand and went LALALALALA when he did it.

PoE is mediocre and ultimately forgettable. For most that's worse than being shit.

And i destroyed his arguments in turn.

 

[Hegel]

Pretty sure nobody ever read Pope Amole vs Sensuki: Battle of the spergs

 

[duanth123]

Stop tagging Sensuki before this thread gets even more derailed.

P.S. The fair and balanced(tm) authority on PoE's mechanics is tdphys: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/pillars-combat-analysis-review.99034/

I hope he makes a new post after The White March is complete.

While I don't fully agree with it, this is a good example of a review by somebody who "gets it"

What a surprise. The "fair and balanced" review just so happens to be one that Inifinitron described as written by someone who "gets it."

Good to know that's a meaningful distinction to be drawn between members.

A shill by any other name...

 

[Ninjerk]

It has been said a million fucking times why people like this game

Yes and all the reasons have been blatantly shot down :p Sensuki has thoroughly deconstructed why the mechanics are shit and we've been discussing why the writing is awful and nonsensical for a while now. Continuing this discussion really is beating a dead horse and very off-topic.

On-topic: So, MCA wants to do his own pet project, that's gonna be fun to watch and potentially awesome.

And Pope Amole II has destroyed every argument Sensuki ever made, it's just that people buried their head in the sand and went LALALALALA when he did it.

PoE is mediocre and ultimately forgettable. For most that's worse than being shit.

Where was this exchange?

 

[Roguey]

PoE is...ultimately forgettable.

If only that were true.

You want an example of a forgettable RPG, just look at Shadowrun Hong Kong, a game pretty much no one talks about anymore even though it was released a few months ago.