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People News Chris Avellone grows a pair and fights back against being cancelled

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resetera said:
[Chris Avellone] used to have some very juicy interviews, the worst of which have been pulled down so that they can't be used against them. There was one memorable one where he described a fellow employee as a "fat bitch," and then went on to talk about how dare she question him, and how he's going to use his connections to make her life hell and maybe get her fired. Avellone's not a nice guy.

Roguey can you confirm this??? I can only hope that Chris would be so redpilled but this sounds like fanfiction to me... :dealwithit:


That's exactly what I wanted also to ask?

What the fuck is that moron blabbering about? Or what was the context?
 

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The same people who say that Karissa being generally crazy or embezzling money is not relevant to the case.
But anything unrelated that Chris said somewhere will be scrutinized to make him look bad, because it's totally relevant.
 

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resetera said:
[Chris Avellone] used to have some very juicy interviews, the worst of which have been pulled down so that they can't be used against them. There was one memorable one where he described a fellow employee as a "fat bitch," and then went on to talk about how dare she question him, and how he's going to use his connections to make her life hell and maybe get her fired. Avellone's not a nice guy.

Roguey can you confirm this??? I can only hope that Chris would be so redpilled but this sounds like fanfiction to me... :dealwithit:


That's exactly what I wanted also to ask?

What the fuck is that moron blabbering about? Or what was the context?

I can't believe it, I managed to dig it up. Could Chris get anymore based???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
 

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resetera said:
[Chris Avellone] used to have some very juicy interviews, the worst of which have been pulled down so that they can't be used against them. There was one memorable one where he described a fellow employee as a "fat bitch," and then went on to talk about how dare she question him, and how he's going to use his connections to make her life hell and maybe get her fired. Avellone's not a nice guy.

Roguey can you confirm this??? I can only hope that Chris would be so redpilled but this sounds like fanfiction to me... :dealwithit:

This guy must be talking out of his ass or mis-remembering someone else as Chris. But whatever, no one will ask him for a source where he's posting it, its a fact now we must believe it as such :D
 

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This guy must be talking out of his ass or mis-remembering someone else as Chris. But whatever, no one will ask him for a source where he's posting it, its a fact now we must believe it as such :D

Because it was removed by the alt-right Codex to protect its chud deity, you know.
Occam's razor.
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Rogues, are you sure he didn't donate to Ankita back in the day, say 2014 the time of her first grifting kickstarter? I'm pretty sure he chipped in.

I was following every dev's kickstarter contributions back then (before they made everyone's private), if he had donated to it, believe me this site would have found out about it.
Is there a list maybe?
 

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Starts 4 minutes in.


So I watched/listened to 80% of it in the background while working. what I gathered was:

1.) In CA naming 1-100 DOEs is common. Especially since he is coming up on the statute of limitations.

2.) He found the line about “hurt feelings” silly and unnecessary

3.) He mentioned that filing in CA can be somewhat of a honeypot for the defendants. In that CA may not have jurisdiction over them (Karissa/Kelly are out of state), but has such strong anti-SLAAP laws that they may be induced to accept jurisdiction with the thought of dismissing the case outright. However, if it doesn’t get dismissed, then it’s game on.

4.) As he went through the first page of complaints, he mentioned it will be difficult to prove the libel claims (IIRC, as I was kinda half listening)

Not sure if I missed it, but I didn’t see an overall conclusion at the end. The overall impression I got is that the suit isn’t overly unusual in its form for CA, that the lawyers seem to be legitimate, but it still may be a difficult case to win, depending on the trial (if it gets to that).

In which case, I would expect it to probably play out like 1.) try to dismiss, if win then case over. If lose then 2.) Settle and don’t go to trial.

I dunno. Im not a twitter lawyer or any form of lawyer.


On number 1 above (1-100 DOEs point), this is the issue that one of the Twitter lawyers (wolf guy) said was so absurd as to be beyond reason, an example of legal absurdity. Turns out it's probably just a very standard way of submitting pleadings in California to provide a plaintiff with flexibility to amend as the trial proceeds. The same guy also made fun of the pleading including 'hurt feelings', not recognising that this is a standardised legal term to be included in pleadings of this type. Genuinely, the guy doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

This should probably give you an idea of how good the 'lawtwitter analysis' has been on this thing. Avellone's pleading is fine and standard in Californian law, there's nothing unusual or defective about it.

On the SLAPP stuff, not entirely sure why people have become so convinced that it's a disaster for Chris. From what I can tell, he'll be required to prove 'a probability that the plaintiff will prevail on the claim'. Looking at some of the caselaw, this seems to have been interpreted as not a particularly high hurdle for the plaintiff to overcome.

Only a cause of action that lacks even minimal legal merit will constitute a SLAPP. In this case, it seems obvious enough to me that Avellone has a stateable case at law, it's clearly not something that is frivolous and destined to lose - you even have an admission from the defendant that she was never abused. Avellone's post also suggests that there's more to come from him so I wouldn't be too pessimistic on this ground.
 

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Starts 4 minutes in.


So I watched/listened to 80% of it in the background while working. what I gathered was:

1.) In CA naming 1-100 DOEs is common. Especially since he is coming up on the statute of limitations.

2.) He found the line about “hurt feelings” silly and unnecessary

3.) He mentioned that filing in CA can be somewhat of a honeypot for the defendants. In that CA may not have jurisdiction over them (Karissa/Kelly are out of state), but has such strong anti-SLAAP laws that they may be induced to accept jurisdiction with the thought of dismissing the case outright. However, if it doesn’t get dismissed, then it’s game on.

4.) As he went through the first page of complaints, he mentioned it will be difficult to prove the libel claims (IIRC, as I was kinda half listening)

Not sure if I missed it, but I didn’t see an overall conclusion at the end. The overall impression I got is that the suit isn’t overly unusual in its form for CA, that the lawyers seem to be legitimate, but it still may be a difficult case to win, depending on the trial (if it gets to that).

In which case, I would expect it to probably play out like 1.) try to dismiss, if win then case over. If lose then 2.) Settle and don’t go to trial.

I dunno. Im not a twitter lawyer or any form of lawyer.


Didn't he retract on 2.) after reading about "hurt feelings" in california law or whatever?

ed: https://youtu.be/uIMoGmbAbgY?t=7738
 
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Starts 4 minutes in.


So I watched/listened to 80% of it in the background while working. what I gathered was:

1.) In CA naming 1-100 DOEs is common. Especially since he is coming up on the statute of limitations.

2.) He found the line about “hurt feelings” silly and unnecessary

3.) He mentioned that filing in CA can be somewhat of a honeypot for the defendants. In that CA may not have jurisdiction over them (Karissa/Kelly are out of state), but has such strong anti-SLAAP laws that they may be induced to accept jurisdiction with the thought of dismissing the case outright. However, if it doesn’t get dismissed, then it’s game on.

4.) As he went through the first page of complaints, he mentioned it will be difficult to prove the libel claims (IIRC, as I was kinda half listening)

Not sure if I missed it, but I didn’t see an overall conclusion at the end. The overall impression I got is that the suit isn’t overly unusual in its form for CA, that the lawyers seem to be legitimate, but it still may be a difficult case to win, depending on the trial (if it gets to that).

In which case, I would expect it to probably play out like 1.) try to dismiss, if win then case over. If lose then 2.) Settle and don’t go to trial.

I dunno. Im not a twitter lawyer or any form of lawyer.


Didn't he retracted on 2.) after reading about "hurt feelings" in california law or whatever?

Yeah
 

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Even so, it means he's not fully qualified when he's trying to educate people about those concepts, isn't it?
(Though I love the honesty of being able to admit a mistake)
I'd bet on Chris's lawyers being pro enough not to make silly mistakes that can be detected in 10 minutes by people on Twitter, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
 

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Damn, Chris ruined his reputation among a lot of his fans by being a mega cuck to Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn, and now he's labelled as "that alt-right chud" despite probably not even shifting 1 mm politically since then.
 

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Even so, it means he's not fully qualified when he's trying to educate people about those concepts, isn't it?
(Though I love the honesty of being able to admit a mistake)
I'd bet on Chris's lawyers being pro enough not to make silly mistakes that can be detected in 10 minutes by people on Twitter, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.
I believe the disconnect stems from this dude not being a Californian law practitioner and thus not fully acquainted with whatever quirks that state has.
 

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Damn, Chris ruined his reputation among a lot of his fans by being a mega cuck to Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn, and now he's labelled as "that alt-right chud" despite probably not even shifting 1 mm politically since then.

The only way for him to become a woke hero would be changing his name to Christina and have torrid love affair with Jim Sterl..., I mean, the stunning and beautiful James "Stephanie" Sterling.
 

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2.) He found the line about “hurt feelings” silly and unnecessary
Then he looked up Californian law and saw it mentioned damages to include shame, mortification and hurt feelings so he let that one slide, I believe.
Yeah, "hurt feelings" is a specific phrasing and is used a few times in the lawsuit. That wouldn't be there unless it was a thing. Again, I feel Chris has engaged good lawyers who know what they're doing.
 

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libtard said:
I left ResetEra a bit back after talking about how much of a slimeball Avellone is. I was met with the usual response of how Avellone should be deified and not questioned, which hurt considering present company, and left in shame.

Now it's all coming out. I'm glad people are pointing out all of the things he's not only done but written, too. I mean, if you spend all of your time doing nothing but writing about psychopaths doing psychopathic things, and then enforcing suffering, death, and even genocide without the agency that the games he writes for are supposed to have? That's probably not the sign of the sane mind. In fact, I'm seein ga lot of cases where if a writer writes insane things, they're probably not doing too well.

I've known about him being on Alt-Right festering cesspit and general hellhole RPGCodex for about, oh, two decades now? He used to have some very juicy interviews, the worst of which have been pulled down so that they can't be used against them. There was one memorable one where he described a fellow employee as a "fat bitch," and then went on to talk about how dare she question him, and how he's going to use his connections to make her life hell and maybe get her fired. Avellone's not a nice guy.

What Avellone is fantastic at, however, is creating a cult of personality. He hasn't even written that much, and what he has written is pseudointellectual nihilism, psychopathy, misogyny, and general awfulness that's made the games his works have appeared in worse. Unless anyone thinks that having Durance present in Pillars of Eternity enriches that experience, somehow. Same for that rapist shithead he wrote in Fallout 2, I forget that character's name but anyone who's played it knows whom I'm talking about.

I mean, Ulysses in Lonesome Road was basically just a soapbox for Avellone and how much he hates humanity and wants to see everyone suffer. He's just kind of like that. He's never been well in the head. Someone who's well in the head doesn't claim an IP after helping out with the second game, where they had no input on the first. Yep, the Fallout Bible, where he'd contradict other, senior writers regularly. It was all part of his effort to build a cult of personality around himself.

At the time? I hated that. I hated how he had this giant cadre of ignorant drones who believed that he was the lead writer on a bunch of games he'd barely touched. I mean, he only wrote one two-bit character for the entirety of New Vegas and that was it. Yes, he did some writing for the DLCs as well but that was a case of spot the psychopaths, you could easily figure out what his inclusions were. Speaking of his two-bit character, he wrote her to die to prove that douchey, misogynistic guys always win.

I have no trouble believing in his sex-pestery. I mean, after all he's written and all of the stuff he's said on RPGCodex. I mean, if you saw half of the things he wrote on RPGCodex... It was only a matter of time.

Not being a part of his cult of personality, I just saw him for the incredibly douchey, horrible person he was. Every time he opened his trap it would be to hurt someone, to claim credit for work others did, to pump himself up, or to promote some psychopahtic idea. I remember him talking about how cruel psychopaths were the most compelling kind of characters for him because of course they are. Evil, in general, is just more compelling. No intelligent person wants to be the good guy, according to AVellone. I really can't stand him.

I'm just... i'm glad it's all coming out. I'm waiting to watch him fail at this SLAPP case, get SLAPPbacked (I will cheer), and then disappear so that his taint will never darken any video game ever again. I can live without Ulysseses, Durances, Fanes, and their ilk in the roleplaying games I play. I think we all can.
:incline: ah yes, seethe cope and dilate libtard.... ur tears are delicious :incline:
I didn't know Avellone was THIS :obviously:. I guess he is only partly cuck, he is also based and :edgy:
 

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2.) He found the line about “hurt feelings” silly and unnecessary
Then he looked up Californian law and saw it mentioned damages to include shame, mortification and hurt feelings so he let that one slide, I believe.
Yeah, "hurt feelings" is a specific phrasing and is used a few times in the lawsuit. That wouldn't be there unless it was a thing. Again, I feel Chris has engaged good lawyers who know what they're doing.

This was sort of my point earlier in the thread. Would reputable lawyers (as Chris has apparently hired) agree to a case that was likely to be thrown out or immediately lost?

I don't know how legal firms work in the US, but I'd assume they'd avoid cases like that like the plague. Doesn't look good for their firm if a case they take on is a sure loss.
 

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If all fails and MCA gets bankrupted because of a SLAPback he might have to work cheap for any small gaming company willing to hire him. Think of the possibilities
 

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If all fails and MCA gets bankrupted because of a SLAPback he might have to work cheap for any small gaming company willing to hire him. Think of the possibilities
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