Civilization VI - Now available, so you can sink all your free time into it

[Average Manatee]

Yeah, that happened too: A civ has a continent with space to expand on to the north and south, but will settle on a two hex island far away.

In Civ 4 that's practically an exploit. Counts as a city on a different continent, which gives a 2x modifier to all trade routes. Since all cities trade with the highest value available (cities don't need a trade route back) you're essentially getting +1 base gold for every coastal city. Combine with Great Lighthouse to basically break the game, eliminating and reversing the intended ICS penalties as long as you hug shoreline.

Maybe Firaxis still hasn't gotten around to updating the Civ 6 AI?

 

[kris]

i tried this on a bit yesterday. If anything the old tactic (build archers = win) worked even better as you got golden ages more easily with force projection.

- A problem with getting era points is that you can only get positive points, losing a city and taking it back might earn you a bunch. Overall being agressive/expansive/explore all is what gain you the most and with no drawback. Meaning, it was to easy and I only got golden ages the three times I tried (on diety difficult)
- Loyality was in the little a played just an annoyance. sure it hold you back (conquered cities revolt quickly), but it never posed a problem to me. this thing kind of also forced you to cluster your cities. My tactic of stealing settlers from AI and building a city close to them dont work, I need to trek back.

as i guessed on a glance on the new civs it was just as expected. the Nubian rotund lady is probably the most powerful choice you can get. the cheaper districts is real nice, but the improved, extra cheap, faster exp archers is just silly. You can conquer anything with them. 3 in movement and I got three of them to double-shot experience in already the first war.

Its not that I demand balance, but maybe they could think a little bit at least?

 

[Ludovic]

Its not that I demand balance, but maybe they could think a little bit at least?

Doesn't matter with the AI being the way it is. Do you really care if you're fighting a toddler with a battle axe or a rolling pin?

 

[flyingjohn]

AAA budget and can't even check for spelling errors in code.


Basically, where the AI should weigh Production, then Gold, then Science/Culture with Faith dead last... none of that may be in effect, causing the AI to weigh everything equally leading to suboptimal play.

 

[Agame]

worst civ ever. no contest.

Agreed. This game really is an absolute piece of shit and a waste of time and hard drive space. There is no challenge, highest difficulties are laughably easy.

I just fired up an Immortal game with the new expansion after not playing it since it released, without knowing anything about the new mechanics, by mid game after conquering just a few cities from neighboring civs I was so far ahead in score I gave up trying and just starting whacking end turn and building/researching whatever the advisor said. No decisions mattered at that point, you can just go on autopilot, the game plays itself.

Civ 6 is not a strategy game, its fully transitioned into babys first sim city, the AI civs just give the illusion of a challenge so you can tell mommy "your a big boy now" when you win. And it looks pretty (If you like the cartoony Facebook game style? Which I guess explains the lack of difficulty as this is the intellectual audience level they are aiming at?)

 

[flyingjohn]

I actually think civ v is worse thanks to global happiness and major penalties to new cities.At least here you can make more then 4 cities.

 

[cvv]

I'd direct the attention of the resident strategy lovers to the new release of the digital version of the Through the Ages board game.

It's basically a boardgame/card game version of Civilization but much smarter and more engaging than the official boardgame port of Sid Meier's Civilization. It's the 3rd best rated board game on Boardgamegeek.com which is almost as prestigious as winning the Codex GOTY coveted prize. And I would not sperg about it here and everywhere if I wasn't a complete fanboy of the original board game. It's a legend in the board game world and deservedly so.

The Steam version is cheap and simple obviously, it's a small project, but it's adequate. The underlying mechanics is what matters here. I just bought it and tested it for 30 minutes and I can't see any issues.

It'd be great if we could put together a Codex group to play this diamond.

Plus there's a 38% deal off on Steam right now.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/758370/Through_the_Ages/

 

[LESS T_T]

A bit old news but, from an interview with 2K president: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-23-2ks-light-slate-belies-bigger-ambitions

It's also stepping up investment in the WWE 2K franchise, and hopes to broaden the offerings coming out of Firaxis.

"We did Civ, then we did XCOM, and now we're looking hopefully to add one more to that portfolio," Ismailer said.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

pirates.

 

[Got bored and left]

A bit old news but, from an interview with 2K president: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-23-2ks-light-slate-belies-bigger-ambitions

It's also stepping up investment in the WWE 2K franchise, and hopes to broaden the offerings coming out of Firaxis.

"We did Civ, then we did XCOM, and now we're looking hopefully to add one more to that portfolio," Ismailer said.

So Civ, but with prominent wrestlers as leaders?

 

[Jenkem]

oh my god they're bringing back alpha centauri!

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

i doubt it, beyond earth BOOOOOOMBED already HAAAAAAAARD.

 

[Space Satan]

Beyond Earth boomed, AC franchize is untouched yet. It seemes that they released BE as an experiment to see it lending Civ engine and reskins could work. Warlock and Beyond Earth showed that no. CivVI is a horrible game in every way and inferior even to garbage that is CivV.
So maybe they would release AC as a fully fledged sequel. But there won't be a space for experiments. If they will flop they will flop hard.
I am pessimistic about it as both CivV and of course CivVI could not reach levels of UI handiness of AC.

 

[Hellraiser]

Knowing life they cannot touch AC due to EA being the publisher for it, so it should be safe.

I still can't believe how shit BE was.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

they can't. beyond earth was alone and sucked so hard it put black holes to shame. now it should fight against galciv3, endless space 2 and many other minors.

 

[coldcrow]

Pandora is great though.

 

[oscar]

Pandora is great though.

Underrated game, remember being pleasantly surprised.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

i found it the definition of "dull" to me there's only one pandora u_u www.pandora.com

 

[Galdred]

i found it the definition of "dull" to me there's only one pandora u_u www.pandora.com

It was dull indeed, but it was challenging, and it did much better than its competitors when it came to AI, especially once modded.

 

[LizardWizard]

Beyond Earth was a shitty Civ 5 mod at best and has very little if anything in common with Brian Reynolds Alpha Centauri

 

[Cael]

Beyond Earth was a shitty Civ 5 mod at best and has very little if anything in common with Brian Reynolds Alpha Centauri

AC had maps where elevation automatically affected other squares. It was wired into the game and cannot be changed without significant work.

Beyond Earth had hexes and 1 unit per square.

 

[whydoibother]

One unit per tile and hexagons are objectively amazing though.

 

[Nirvash]

Hexes are ok but the fucking single unit x title is pure cancer and will never, ever work.

No AAA or even AA developer will ever be able to make a decent ai around it, you need some indie super giganerd balancing it for years.

 

[whydoibother]

Hexes are ok but the fucking single unit x title is pure cancer and will never, ever work.

No AAA or even AA developer will ever be able to make a decent ai around it, you need some indie super giganerd balancing it for years.

Unit stacking AI is equally bad. I can never understand people who dismiss 1UPT based on AI, as if the AI in every past Civilization game wasn't equally stupid, and didn't equally count on "cheating" to pose somewhat of a challenge. I can only assume most of the people criticizing Civilization V and VI based on their AI haven't played much of the previous games.
And yes, it is true that there are more variables in 1UPT maps, and there is more that the AI can cock up, but they also put more work into it, so it ended up being similar in practice. I hope it will get better now that self learning AI is becoming easy to implement and popular, and perhaps the next big strategy game will just have its AI simulate 50000 games with itself and discover what the best strategies are, or watch replays of online games, etc. It has to be considered while making the engine of course, but its where strategy games should be headed.

 

[Cael]

Location: bulgaristan
Wow. fantadomat, you really pissed someone off big time. What did you do?