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In Progress Codexian Battletech Carnage, Volume 3

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It has been far too long since we had giant robots blasting each others limbs off, so why not take the initiative and host another battle?
I'd like to play by the same rules that Computer Gamer Refuge established in his glorious matches, that is using Battlemechs (and possibly tanks, if someone rather wants to use a tank) designed in 3025 or earlier to make heat management more interesting and avoid more complicated stuff like C3, MASC, targeting computers and the like. Movement will again be simultaneous and to make this fun for the readers as well there will again be no visibility/sensor rules. There is one additional rule: I will allow you to disengage PPC field inhibitors. This lets you ignore the to-hit-penaties for shots below minimum range but has the potential to blow up the PPC and damage your mech (you can avoid this by rolling 3+ for shots at a range of 3, 6+ at a range of 2 and 10+ for shots at range 1). Of course you don't have to disengage the inhibitor.

If you're interested in piloting a mech, please reply, if you have some experience, you may want to act as lance leader and provide your less experienced Codexians with hints and advice.Mechs will follow once I have an idea how many we need.

Magic Summoning Spell: Computer Gamer Refugee Azira laclongquan Deuce Traveler eklektyk Country_Gravy rashiakas Norfleet Corvinus Destroid

Here are the rules, mostly copy pasted with a few additions like clubs.
Basic Movement Rules:

Each mech can either walk or run, and some mechs can jump. Walking generates 1 heat and gives a +1 (that is a malus) to hit. Running generates 2 heat and gives a +2 penalty to hit. Jumping generates 1 heat/hex moved and gives a +3 penalty to hit. The penalty is the number that is added to the number that you need to hit (on 2d6).

Moving forward into a clear space takes 1 movement. Entering woods, rubble, or water takes an additional movement (or 2 for heavy woods). This means that moving forward into light woods would take 2 movement points total. Changing facings also takes 1 movement. Changing elevation also takes 1 movement per level.

But what if two mechs want to move to the same square!?

Good question. In the event that two mechs give move orders to the same square, the prority is:
fastest jumper (if jump jets were used)>fastest ground top speed>furthest distance moved (if ground speed is the same)

The priority mech can either:
a) take the square, causing the other mech to stop in their penultimate movement hex or,
b) execute a charge/death from above on the other mech


But what if I shoot at a mech that another player has killed with fire?

In that event you will continue to slag the rubble.
Mechs can back up at their walking rate, and mix forward and backward movement as they like. However you cannot change elevation while going backwards.

So that means that if we wanted to change face, and go up a hill (1 level) into light woods it would take a total of 4 movement. 1 (face change) + 2 (light woods) + 1 (elevation change) = 4 total Movement points

If anyone really cares, here is a complete list of movement costs http://www.sarna.net/wiki/TW_Movement_Costs_Table Jumping is different. A jumping mech ignores intervening terrain, and can land in any facing it wants. However, a jumping mech generates 1 heat per hex jumped and gets a +3 penality to hit. That is all that matters, just remember that the faster you move the harder it is to be hit.

Moving gives the following penalties to be hit based on the total hexes MOVED. In the previous example, spending 4 movement to go one hex (up a hill into a forest) resulted in a net of 1 hex moved. This modifier is added to the number required to get (on 2d6) in order to hit. If you mixed forward and backward movement the penalty will only be for the number of hexes in the direction you've moved last.
0-2 +0
3-4 +1
5-6 +2
7-8 +3
9-10 +4
11+ +5

Basic Firing Rules:

All weapons have short (4+), medium(6+), and long(8+)ranges. The range gives the base to hit before movement, terrain and heat modifiers. In practice, assuming both mechs moved, you can assume that shooting at short range will hit about 60% of the time, while at long range you will hit about 10% of the time.

Shooting through or into (but not out of) woods gives a penalty of +1 for light woods and +2 for heavy woods. More than a few hexes of woods blocks line of sight. Standing behind a hill gives partial cover this gives a +1 penalty to be hit, and in addition if you are hit, any shots that would hit the legs instead miss.

PPCs and LRMs have a minimum range of 3 and 6 hexes repectivly. Each hex inside minimum gives a +1 penalty to hit. In practice, it is noticeably harder to hit with PPCs at point blank range and effectively impossible for LRMs.

Firing Arcs:

When declaring your shots you can twist your torso one hexside to the left or right, after this your firing arcs will look like this:
firing_arcs.png


Physical attacks

If you are next to, and facing (front 3 hexes) a mech you can punch or kick them. Note, if you are kicked, or miss a kick there is a chance you can fall down. Kicks do tonnage/5 to a leg and punches (you can punch with any arm that does not fire a weapon in that round) do tonnage/10, but have a high chance to hit the head.
You can also pick up a tree or another mech's blown-off limbs to use as clubs, you cannot fire in the turn you pick up the club though. Clubs do tonnage/5 damage.

Here are the ranges of the weapons I'm thinking about having in play right now.

Weapon Heat Damage Min Short Med Long

Sm Laser Heat 1 Dam 3 Short 1 Med 2 Long 3
Med Laser Heat 3 Dam 4 Short 1-3 Med 4-6 Long 7-9
Lg Laser Heat 8 Damage 8 Short 1-5 Med 6-10 Long 11-15

AC/2 Heat 1 Damage 2 Min 4 Short 1-8 Med 9-16 Long 17-24
AC/5 Heat 1 Damage 5 Min 3 Short 1-6 Med 7-12 Long 13-18
AC/10 Heat 3 Damage 10 Short 1-5 Med 5-10 Long 11-15

SRM 2 Heat 2 Damage 2/missile that hits Short 1-3 Med 4-6 Long 7-9
SRM 4 Heat 3 Damage 2/missile that hits Short 1-3 Med 4-6 Long 7-9
SRM 6 Heat 4 Damage 2/missile that hits Short 1-3 Med 4-6 Long 7-9

PPC 10 Heat 10 Dam 10 Min 3 Short 4-6 Med 7-12 Long 13-18

LRM 10 Heat 4 Dam 1/Missile that hits Min 6 Short 7 Medium 8-14 Long 15-21
LRM 15 Heat 5 Dam 1/Missile that hits Min 6 Short 7 Medium 8-14 Long 15-21

Heat Rules

Moving and shooting generates heat, your heat sinks dissipate heat. If you generate more heat than you dissipate then heat builds up. A small amount of heat is no big deal, but as it builds it can cause bad stuff. Most of the mechs (deliberately) do not have heat problems; i.e. it is difficult/impossible to increase heat level. Otherwise you can get to heat 4 without problems and 7 with only a minor movement penalty.


Here is the heat chart

Heat Effect
0
1
2
3
4
5 -1 Movement
6
7
8 +1 To hit
9
10 -2 Movement
11
12
13 +2 To hit
14 Possible Shutdown (avoid 4+)
15 -3 Movement
16
17 +3 To hit
18 Possible Shutdown (avoid 6+)
19 Ammo Explosion (avoid 4+)
20 -4 Movement
21
22 Possible Shutdown (avoid 8+)
23 Ammo Explosion (avoid 6+)
24 +4 To hit
25 -5 Movement
26 Possible Shutdown (avoid 10+)
27
28 Ammo Explosion (avoid 8+)
29
30 Shutdown
30+ Mech cannot power up.
 
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Ulminati

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I like reading aobut the 'splosions. But last time around everyone else had already decided on my mechs moves for me by the time I logged in to check the updates. There's no sense in saying I'll pilot a bot if I just end up a spectator. Besides, I have MWO (bugs and imbalances and all) to curb the worst of my mech cravings.
 

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I like reading aobut the 'splosions. But last time around everyone else had already decided on my mechs moves for me by the time I logged in to check the updates. There's no sense in saying I'll pilot a bot if I just end up a spectator. Besides, I have MWO (bugs and imbalances and all) to curb the worst of my mech cravings.

Yeah I agree with this, there isn't enough going on in a team game of Battletech (or any other similar game really) to have one person control each unit. If it was a free for all brawl it might be more interesting to have individual pilots, otherwise you are probably better running a two player proper battle.
 

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I didn't get the same feeling in the last battle we did. Maybe I was lucky with my team?

On the other hand, a free for all sounds interesting and certainly like a total cluster-fuck..
 

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now me too got MWO account but pings suck hard >vacume< or smth

i can pilot one of them buckets but dont wantda commanding them lances and sht
 

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I want to badly but everyone in my family keeps having surgery. I will probably follow it when I can but i don't want to slow things up for everyone.
 

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Alas, the hunger for minerals presently devours much of my time, and the site's less-than-reliable behavior as of late due to being constantly hijacked by these Canadian shysters you're using for hosting makes it even more difficult to get in. I will probably not be able to attend unless the start drags out long enough for the craziness to subside.
 
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I'm thinking about turning this into a free for all, if we won't reach 8 players. There are a lot of cool mechs around 1400BV, you have your Marauders, Guillotines, maybe spice it up with a pair of light bros. I will probably post the game type and mech list on Friday. If it will be a FFA, I'll also post the map.
 
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Alright, no more volunteers, so the gamemode will be a 5 people FFA clusterfuck. Last mech still standing (or crawling) wins.

Here's the northern half of the arena:
north.png


and the southern half:
south.png


Starting positions will be at:
1 1204
2 0312
3 2312
4 0721
5 1921

Once you've all picked a mech you will send me your preferred starting positions from your most favourite to least favourite and the exact hex you want to deploy on and your heading. You can divert up to two hexes from the ones I specified. For example (2 0310 S, 3 2311 NW, 1 1204 SE, 5 2122 NW, 4 0723 SE). The player with the lowest BV gets his first choice, second lowest his favourite choice, if still available and so on.

You can choose from the following 7 mechs, get them while they're hot, first come, first served.

Victor VTR-9S
Victor.jpg
VictorS.gif

80 tons
BV: 1360

Movement: 4/6/4
Heat Sinks: 15

Internal: 122
Armor: 168/247

Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 25 28 (11)
Right Torso: 17 17 (8)
Left Torso: 17 17 (8)
Right Arm: 13 15
Left Arm: 13 15
Right Leg: 17 20
Left Leg: 17 20


Medium Laser [LA] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [LA] 3 Heat
AC/20[RA] 7 Heat
SRM 6 [LT] 4 Heat

SRM 6 Ammo [LT] 15 Shots
AC/20 Ammo [RT] 5 Shots
AC/20 Ammo [RT] 5 Shots
AC/20 Ammo [RT] 5 Shots

Marauder MAD-3L
marauder.jpg
MarauderL.gif

75 tons
BV: 1369

Movement: 4/6
Heat Sinks: 18

Internal: 114
Armor: 184/231

Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 23 35 (10)
Right Torso: 16 17 (8)
Left Torso: 16 17 (8)
Right Arm: 12 22
Left Arm: 12 22
Right Leg: 16 18
Left Leg: 16 18

Large Laser [LA] 8 Heat
Medium Laser [LA] 3 Heat
PPC [RA] 10 Heat
Medium Laser [RA] 3 Heat
AC/5 [RT] 1 Heat

AC/5 Ammo [LT] 20 Shots

Dragon DRG-1S-UK
Dragon.jpg
Dragon.gif

60 tons
BV: 1376

Movement: 5/8
Heat Sinks: 13

Internal: 99
Armor: 192/201

Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 20 29 (10)
Right Torso: 14 20 (8)
Left Torso: 14 20 (8)
Right Arm: 10 18
Left Arm: 10 18
Right Leg: 14 26
Left Leg: 14 26

Medium Laser [LA] 3 Heat
PPC [RA] 10 Heat
SRM 6 [LT] 4 Heat
Medium Laser [RT] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [RT] 3 Heat

SRM 6 Ammo [LT] 15 Shots

Guillotine GLT-4P
Guillotine.jpg
guillotine.gif

70 tons
BV: 1376

Movement: 4/6/4
Heat Sinks: 22

Internal: 107
Armor: 160/217

Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 22 25 (8)
Right Torso: 15 17 (5)
Left Torso: 15 17 (5)
Right Arm: 11 16
Left Arm: 11 16
Right Leg: 15 21
Left Leg: 15 21

PPC [LA] 10 Heat
Medium Laser [RA] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [RA] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [LT] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [RT] 3 Heat
SRM 6 [CT] 4 Heat

SRM 6 Ammo [RT] 15 Shots

Thunderbolt TDR-5SE
thunderbolt.png
ThunderboltSE.gif

65 tons
BV: 1414

Movement: 4/6/4
Heat Sinks: 17

Internal: 104
Armor: 208/211

Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 21 30 (11)
Right Torso: 15 24 (6)
Left Torso: 15 24 (6)
Right Arm: 10 20
Left Arm: 10 20
Right Leg: 15 29
Left Leg: 15 29

Large Laser [RA] 8 Heat
LRM 10 [LT] 4 Heat
Medium Laser [LT] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [LT] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [LT] 3 Heat

LRM 10 Ammo [CT] 12 Shots
LRM 10 Ammo [CT] 12 Shots

Stalker STK-4P
stalker.jpg
Stalker.gif

85 tons
BV: 1417

Movement: 3/5
Heat Sinks: 20

Internal: 130
Armor: 217/263

Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 27 36 (8)
Right Torso: 18 25 (5)
Left Torso: 18 25 (5)
Right Arm: 14 22
Left Arm: 14 22
Right Leg: 18 30
Left Leg: 18 30

LRM 10 [RA] 4 Heat
Large Laser [LT] 8 Heat
SRM 6 [LT] 4 Heat
Large Laser [RT] 8 Heat
SRM 6 [RT] 4 Heat

LRM 10 Ammo [RA] 12 Shots
SRM 6 Ammo [LT] 15 Shots
SRM 6 Ammo [RT] 15 Shots

Archer ARC-2S
archer.gif
ArcherS.gif

70 tons
BV: 1393

Movement: 4/6
Heat Sinks: 10

Internal: 107
Armor: 208/217

Head: 3 9
Center Torso: 22 33 (10)
Right Torso: 15 24 (6)
Left Torso: 15 24 (6)
Right Arm: 11 22
Left Arm: 11 22
Right Leg: 15 26
Left Leg: 15 26

Medium Laser [LA] 3 Heat
Medium Laser [RA] 3 Heat
LRM 15 [LT] 5 Heat
SRM 4 [LT] 3 Heat
LRM 15 [RT] 5 Heat
SRM 4 [RT] 3 Heat
Medium Laser (R) [CT] 3 Heat
Medium Laser (R) [CT] 3 Heat

LRM 15 Ammo [LT] 8 Shots
LRM 15 Ammo [LT] 8 Shots
SRM 4 Ammo [LT] 25 Shots
LRM 15 Ammo [RT] 8 Shots
LRM 15 Ammo [RT] 8 Shots
SRM 4 Ammo [RT] 25 Shots
 

Azira

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Thunderbolt

I got the distinct feeling that I was on the winning team last time purely by luck and chance, and I fully expect to be one of the first pilots to bite the dust. :salute:

Brought beer for everyone though, meet up in the middle of the map for a brew once you're out of your mech. :thumbsup:
 
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I think it would be better, if you'd tell me your starting position choices in a PM, unless you want everyone to know of course. ;) Also please include your facing.
 

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