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A poor workman always blames his tools.
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Turns out rigging in the AI is not easily done after a "wined up" familly lunch...Ah well...some progress still.


Edit: oops forgot link



Unity renderer pisses me off again.
Random disappearance of distant lines, strange jaggies, and other pleasant shit such as inability to make the lighting look absolutely flat.
I'm not even talking about the UI - for some reason Unity is unable to render fonts in a clean, pixel perfect manner in DX9 mode.
Edge Detect is out, edge lines way is out, flat look is out. Fuck.


Prolly not gonna "solve anything" but just in case:
- For distant lines, jaggies and whatnot, double check the various PlayerSettings as well as Camera settings (depth, clipping plane, rendering path and shit). Also drives me nuts on some stuff but usually it's because I fucked up by lack of knowledge of what to pay attention to.
- "Lighting" window has a lot of global shit (Window > Lighting) including ambient source (which is probably your flat solution) and whatnot. Might help.
- Pixel perfect's tricky in Unity but for font via various UI modes, you can usually fuck around with the canvas settings, especially Reference Pixels per Unit, Scale factor, etc. With proper setting, you can get really crips font display even on very, very small shit but it's a pain to sort out at first.
 
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Prolly not gonna "solve anything" but just in case:
- For distant lines, jaggies and whatnot, double check the various PlayerSettings as well as Camera settings (depth, clipping plane, rendering path and shit). Also drives me nuts on some stuff but usually it's because I fucked up by lack of knowledge of what to pay attention to.
- "Lighting" window has a lot of global shit (Window > Lighting) including ambient source (which is probably your flat solution) and whatnot. Might help.
- Pixel perfect's tricky in Unity but for font via various UI modes, you can usually fuck around with the canvas settings, especially Reference Pixels per Unit, Scale factor, etc. With proper setting, you can get really crips font display even on very, very small shit but it's a pain to sort out at first.
I knew about clipping planes (set to 0.2-64 in my camera since I don't need huge drawing distance), but didn't know about depth and rendering path affecting those.
As for flat lighting, I was talking more about facette effect rather than fully flat lighting. Guess posting after a 24 hours of running around is not exactly a good idea.

I guess the lines are just flat and that causes the camera to go wild due to the angle. I'll see if I can 'bump' them using simple solid objects.

As for a pixel perfect font -- thanks, I'll give it a try to see how it goes. I've managed to make the font look crispy, but it's still imperfect.
 

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Alright! Done pretty much!

Not sure if alright to post links (if not just delete it) but here goes:
- online version (via WebGL) (edit: replaced old unity player version with this one)
- windows downloadable version (also Unity build but standalone) (edit: removed, useless really)
Both are forced scaled up 512x512 versions. Pure 64x64 just isn't really...well it's weird. I'll put multiple versions for the deadline though.

Included some information but probably too obscure for most.
Anyway, testing and polish time now!...

...and a beer, or something.

edit:
polish might include:
- better layer sorting.
- hotkeys for maneuvers.
(done)
- critical strike & critical miss.
- more facing importance (can't block opposite arm side, can't see behind etc).
- some level up after each battle won.
 
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I'll just leave a quick and dirty screenshot here, and a link, which explains it all: http://www.damjanmozetic.si/2016/04/13/going-3d-with-a-twist/
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So you did go 3D afterall! I honestly think that if you are gonna make it in that style from the screenshot, it will look better than most low poly games from today without textures. For some reason I can fully understand low poly and love it but the trend now is that people avoid textures and just slap a solid color on objects. I prefer some pixels like in that screenshot at least.
 

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Yeah, I am still searching for a particular style... not overly minimalistic and clean, with just some texture to it. Built a couple buildings today to test it all together. The next thing is, should I go with billboards for trees as opposed to 3D? I still want it to look somewhat realistic and want to avoid a "cartoony" look at all costs, and photorealistic billboards may just do the trick.
 

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Rhuantavan Just wanted to say I enjoy that look you're going for. Looks like the early days of software-rendering 3D, before 3D accelerators. It looks better than early 3D-accelerated low-poly stuff because the pixels and low resolution creates an "impressionistic painting" effect and kinda blends things together. You can imply a lot of detail this way, without actually creating tons of detail.

Looking forward to seeing how your game develops!
The next thing is, should I go with billboards for trees as opposed to 3D? I still want it to look somewhat realistic and want to avoid a "cartoony" look at all costs, and photorealistic billboards may just do the trick.
I say give the billboards a try - I think it will be more appealing than chunky low-poly 3D trees. You could also add billboarded grass sprites in there too - to break up the angular 3D hills.
 
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Zed

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I binged last night and made a combat system.
it's timing-based but I don't want to make it too punishing for people who just want to chillax.

my first idea was something super punch out-y and I guess it ended up a bit similar.

basically you take turns to attack each other. when it's your turn, just must press left, forward or right to not hit any eventual armor of the enemy. if you do, you lose time from your turn. so if you're fast and concentrating, you could probably hit up to 5 times.
when the enemy attacks, you simply press back to avoid damage every time the enemy swings. or something like that. okay I'm not quite done yet, but pretty much.

a big upside is that the player can stay on the arrow keys between exploration and combat.

OH and my brother cooked up some AAA++ music for the game. very cool music. I'll share it when he's done with the last track.
 

mutonizer

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Alright,
New name, new page, some instruction manual, all webGL and whatnot plus all the things I wanted to add, added. Still not 100% happy with AI but not gonna bother much about it now unless there are big bad bugs or something. Tried to just put it at 64x64 on the submission page but that's just so fucking small so I'll leave it at 256x256 for now and see how others are handling it.

Was good fun, learned a lot and quite happy with end result but I think most will just check the instructions, go wtf and leave :)

https://mutonizer.itch.io/intents-mtm
 

Zed

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people are gonna have to download my game so I guess no-one will play it
 

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people are gonna have to download my game so I guess no-one will play it

Yea, might not help but if it's just an .exe without any install or something, shouldn't be that big of a problem. I mean about half the entries so far are not browser based and lotta people just download random shit from random sites and just run it.
 
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I may tell you the specifics tomorrow, as I don't have access to the machine right now, but basically I've modelled the terrain as a mesh in blender, and set the smoothness to 0. You can do that in unity as well, in the import settings for the mesh. You cannot, however achieve this look with unity's terrain. That will always be smoothed out.
 
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Thanks, guys, I'll give it another go tomorrow (once I update Uniteh again).

Strange, though, I remember that I also used this method a few years ago, but during my last attempt the mesh kept looking like it used some sort of smoothing. Will keep experimenting, though. Thanks again.
 
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Thanks, guys, I'll give it another go tomorrow (once I update Uniteh again).

Strange, though, I remember that I also used this method a few years ago, but during my last attempt the mesh kept looking like it used some sort of smoothing. Will keep experimenting, though. Thanks again.
Here's a nice guide for this kind of graphics:
http://gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com...t-with-flat-shaded-3d-in-unity--gamedev-12259

You just need to add textures to the shader.
Ahh, I forgot the textures. :lol:
Now I see my mistake.
 

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