Colony Ship Early Access Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Marat]

Heal your characters with medkits (the amount healed is modified by your biotech skill)

Will this give Biotech xp? Vault Dweller

 

[Vault Dweller]

No.

 

[Pink Eye]

Yooo! There's a new dialogue thingy! You can now ask Braxton why he wants you join up on his efforts! Woo! Check it out bros! I think this is so awesome, it adds more to Braxton's character. I like Braxton!

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Consider me in your employment, captain!

 

[lukaszek]

Reduced melee damage by 1

daggers will be even harder...

 

[Pladio]

Reduced melee damage by 1

daggers will be even harder...

Melee builds were seen as overpowered by most people.

 

[Marat]

Blunt seems stronger than Bladed for some reason.

 

[lukaszek]

Reduced melee damage by 1

daggers will be even harder...

Melee builds were seen as overpowered by most people.

i bet it was about 2h hammer builds?
[retaliation] graze from dagger doesnt cut through armor of most enemies

 

[Vault Dweller]

I'd suggest using aimed attacks with daggers, same as in AoD.

 

[Pink Eye]

Daggers ain't weak. Had Faythe slice people left and right with a knife. Power Attacks are pretty good - when they land.

 

[lukaszek]

I'd suggest using aimed attacks with daggers, same as in AoD.

but retaliations arent aimed, hence dealing no dmg
you also got flurry special that got same issue.

melee endless retaliations are important and due to current mechanics daggers got it worst. Even if you are dead set on using one you should disable its retaliation and hold in 2nd slot machete if possible

 

[Pladio]

but retaliations arent aimed, hence dealing no dmg
you also got flurry special that got same issue.

melee endless retaliations are important and due to current mechanics daggers got it worst. Even if you are dead set on using one you should disable its retaliation and hold in 2nd slot machete if possible

Try a second wind build maybe instead. Of a reaction build?

 

[lukaszek]

Try a second wind build maybe instead. Of a reaction build?

but reactions deal in total more dmg than your main phase. Also as I said you can use bladed weapon that isnt dagger for reactions

also why second wind on daggers and not swords for example? Same AP, penetration isnt that important

 

[Pladio]

but reactions deal in total more dmg than your main phase. Also as I said you can use bladed weapon that isnt dagger for reactions

also why second wind on daggers and not swords for example? Same AP, penetration isnt that important

Isn't the lack of going through armour the first complaint you had?

 

[lukaszek]

but reactions deal in total more dmg than your main phase. Also as I said you can use bladed weapon that isnt dagger for reactions

also why second wind on daggers and not swords for example? Same AP, penetration isnt that important

Isn't the lack of going through armour the first complaint you had?

yes? curent system favors dmg over penetration.
Its all connected since in the end you want to maximize dmg output no?

 

[Pladio]

Yes, so if you build penetration with second wind and other killing type feats, you can become a killing machine on your turn rather than rely on reactions.
Reactions work well with reaction builds, but they're not the only builds out there.

I have played the game 5 or 6 times through now and with different build types. I didn't even realise a reaction build was useful until I saw it in the forums.

 

[lukaszek]

Yes, so if you build penetration with second wind and other killing type feats, you can become a killing machine on your turn rather than rely on reactions.

but how are daggers better in such build? Over swords for example

 

[Pink Eye]

What was your reaction build? If you don't mind sharing. I want to try it.

 

[Pladio]

Yes, so if you build penetration with second wind and other killing type feats, you can become a killing machine on your turn rather than rely on reactions.

but how are daggers better in such build? Over swords for example

It depends on the enemy DR to be honest. In low DR environments, then swords would be much better. In high DR environments, daggers/kinves.
In my knife build I was just carrying both a knife and a sword and used the right one for the right situation.

As an example.
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With DR2 & Weapon damage 10

Sword: no penetration -> Damage 8 =(10 -2)
Sword: 30% (aimed torso) -> Damage 9 =(10-(2*0.7))

Knife: 20% penetration -> Damage 8 =(10 - (2*0.8)) (I think as not sure how rounding works)
Knife: 50% (aimed torso) -> Damage 9 =(10 - (2*0.5))
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With DR8 & Weapon damage 10

no penetration -> Damage 2 = (10 - 8)
Sword: 30% (aimed torso) -> Damage 4 =(10-(8*0.7))

Knife: 20% penetration -> Damage 4 = (10 - (8*0.8)) (I think as not sure how rounding works)
Knife: 50% (aimed torso) -> Damage 6 =(10 - (8*0.5))

So overall, it depends on what you want to do and the fights you take.

 

[Pladio]

What was your reaction build? If you don't mind sharing. I want to try it.

Hmm, my build was pre-patch so might not work as well anymore but here it is:
6/4/10/10/6/4

Tagged SMG, Evasion.
Feats: Dodge This, Lone Wolf, Gunfighter, Artful Dodger

 

[lukaszek]

torso got so much more higher dr that extra penetration doesnt cut it.

I think its only worth discussing really aimed attacks at head, since thats where DR is lowest.

Also your comparison assumes that sword and knife deal same dmg - they dont.
knives get 20% dr penetration in place of 2 flat dmg. To make them even you must attack enemy/body part with 10 dr

 

[Pladio]

torso got so much more higher dr that extra penetration doesnt cut it.

I think its only worth discussing really aimed attacks at head, since thats where DR is lowest.

Also your comparison assumes that sword and knife deal same dmg - they dont.
knives get 20% dr penetration in place of 2 flat dmg. To make them even you must attack enemy/body part with 10 dr

Yes and no.
Current highest tier penetration knife (Johnny Reb) I have seen also includes a 10% aimed bonus, meaning you are more likely to hit enemies than the highest tier Sword (Chopper) using the aimed attacks.

This can make a big difference in combats. It's not just a 10% increase...

If you THC is 50% and this increases it to 60% it's actually 20% more THC. This is massive especially when using more AP to attack.

 

[lukaszek]

in build i played reaching max hit chance and reaction were not a problem for melee. I think it was like half way through the game even.

 

[Pladio]

in build i played reaching max hit chance and reaction were not a problem for melee. I think it was like half way through the game even.

Yeah, no longer possible
Getting past level 6/7 is difficult now.

 

[Pladio]

in build i played reaching max hit chance and reaction were not a problem for melee. I think it was like half way through the game even.

For information. I did a mixed stealth/combat build, but I did use Mastermind and also tagged Shotguns and I got only to level 6 in shotguns now. Previously I would have likely been at lvl 8 across all skills :D

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2491102916

 

[vibehunter]

I couldn't get into AoD, but I've been enjoying the demo for this quite a bit. I think I'm a sucker for sci-fi settings in RPGs as they are few and far between.