Colony Ship Early Access Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[jackofshadows]

Mentally healthy people can play freely as they please because that's what learn by using system is for

How?

Missing something here is much worse than in AoD, and the penalty is also steeper - in AoD you could use SP from combat path to shore up diplomatic path, here you don't have that luxury. So if you are behind the curve you'll stay behind it with no option but to reload.

By "freely" I meant still something cohesive of course. It's hard to fall behind the curve as things stand now. Like you said yourself, focusing on killing is easy, for instance. But relying on non-combat skills perhaps even easier. Only trying to cover as much as possible is hard, just as it was in AoD.

Missing content isn't supposed to stop you from beating the game. But some people lose their shit regardless over the very fact they cannot cover enough/all in one playthrough.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Only choice seems to be whether to take skill monkey on the guy using the skill.

A character who starts with lockpicks. Tags it. Then puts a point into it will have 4. Right, if you did most of the lockpick checks at Pit - which you should easily be able with 4 - you'll hit 5. Already you're ahead the curve. Now you just keep doing the content that you're specialized into and eventually it will reach those thresholds. Plus the token you'll easily hit six on a 4 int build. You have to intentionally be missing content to "lock" yourself.

where the rpg at though

 

[Parabalus]

Only choice seems to be whether to take skill monkey on the guy using the skill.

A character who starts with lockpicks. Tags it. Then puts a point into it will have 4. Right, if you did most of the lockpick checks at Pit - which you should easily be able with 4 - you'll hit 5. Already you're ahead the curve. Now you just keep doing the content that you're specialized into and eventually it will reach those thresholds. Plus the token you'll easily hit six on a 4 int build. You have to intentionally be missing content to "lock" yourself.

where the rpg at though

Lockpicking is also a bad example, since there are very little locations where you can miss skill checks - only a few areas which you can't access without stealth. Usually if you kill or diplo your way through the locks remain, not the case with other skills.

 

[Pink Eye]

It's up your mom's ass. Try checking there. Now stop giving me notifications of your silly takes on video games.

 

[Sòren]

where the rpg at though

what's an arpg game for u?

 

[Technomancer]

Only thing increasing skill gain is Skill Monkey and Mastermind.

Don't forget PSI mutation.

 

[Marat]

How to make an alliance between the Pit and the Brotherhood happen? Also, I've got to say, the electronic version of classic Western motifs I heard in the Habitat is god damn amazing.

 

[Salvo]

Don't find anything wrong with how skill checks work, my only qualms is that progression slows drastically in the "mid" game (by the time you reach the Habitat) and that raising defensive skills in a large party is a problem, with yours and enemy accuracy constantly getting higher you'll reach a point where neither side misses (usually the Factory)

 

[Pink Eye]

raising defensive skills in a large party is a problem

Hmm. Good point. I've seen someone bring this up on steam forum regarding full party play. I've been itching to try a full party run myself to see how it feels, but for some reason, I don't like how slow the combat feels compared to duo or solo play.

 

[Parabalus]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target the most vulnerable party member.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill for just one member seems pointless.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target a particular party member.

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill seems pointless.

Far from it, based on the player-submitted builds and saves.

 

[Tsubutai]

How to make an alliance between the Pit and the Brotherhood happen?

Don't think you can do that since none of the Pit's possible leaders are interested. Supposedly there's a special Brotherhood quest available if you mess up trying to negotiate with the Black Hand or fail the stealth section in the Factory, but it didn't trigger properly for me when I tried it.

 

[Vault Dweller]

How to make an alliance between the Pit and the Brotherhood happen?

Don't think you can do that since none of the Pit's possible leaders are interested. Supposedly there's a special Brotherhood quest available if you mess up trying to negotiate with the Black Hand or fail the stealth section in the Factory, but it didn't trigger properly for me when I tried it.

You can't do it yet as such things take time, but to get this ball rolling you need to complete the traitor quest first (Hanson won't discuss it further until the leak is dealt with), but without involving Abraham who wants the opposite; AND you need to get the data from the spy and take it to Silas; then he'll send you to Hanson.

 

[Jaedar]

Only thing increasing skill gain is Skill Monkey and Mastermind.

Don't forget PSI mutation.

What is this? Another thing that isn't in the game yet?

Is it possible to get fuel cells for romeo in the current version? (It's amazing how much easier combat gets when you use a disruptor)

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

It's actually kinda funny how the ai will ignore finishing off a 3hp guy because evans is sitting there with 5% higher chance to be hit.

 

[Parabalus]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target a particular party member.

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill seems pointless.

Far from it, based on the player-submitted builds and saves.

Where are these 4 PC builds which greatly benefited from defensive tags?

From looking at the steam thread maybe a minority of the 4p has armor tag on Jed.

 

[Technomancer]

What is this? Another thing that isn't in the game yet?

After doing a fetch hunt quest in hydroponics involving frog brains you can get a feat from serum injection which improves overtime with stim use. You can only select one stim and each has different effect. They have 3 levels. PSI stim feat lvl3 improves skill learning rate. Aggro gives 1 AP, Regen bonus 5hp and regen.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target a particular party member.

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill seems pointless.

Far from it, based on the player-submitted builds and saves.

Where are these 4 PC builds which greatly benefited from defensive tags?

From looking at the steam thread maybe a minority of the 4p has armor tag on Jed.

From the very last page; tagged Evasion 9:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816755081

 

[Salvo]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target a particular party member.

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill seems pointless.

Far from it, based on the player-submitted builds and saves.

Where are these 4 PC builds which greatly benefited from defensive tags?

From looking at the steam thread maybe a minority of the 4p has armor tag on Jed.

From the very last page; tagged Evasion 9:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816755081

I think Para is talking about 4 character parties, not solo play

 

[Vault Dweller]

It's actually kinda funny how the ai will ignore finishing off a 3hp guy because evans is sitting there with 5% higher chance to be hit.

It depends on a number of factors, not just accuracy. Armor and HP are also taken into consideration. A 3HP target should get to the top of the list unless in cover or activated gadget (no reason to waste shots if the target is hard to hit). 5% difference shouldn't be a factor, so we'll take another look at the target selection criteria. Either way, it's work in progress until the game is released.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target a particular party member.

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill seems pointless.

Far from it, based on the player-submitted builds and saves.

Where are these 4 PC builds which greatly benefited from defensive tags?

From looking at the steam thread maybe a minority of the 4p has armor tag on Jed.

From the very last page; tagged Evasion 9:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816755081

I think Para is talking about 4 character parties, not solo play

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2807809521

4 people party, tagged Armor.

 

[Jaedar]

What is this? Another thing that isn't in the game yet?

After doing a fetch hunt quest in hydroponics involving frog brains you can get a feat from serum injection which improves overtime with stim use. You can only select one stim and each has different effect. They have 3 levels. PSI stim feat lvl3 improves skill learning rate. Aggro gives 1 AP, Regen bonus 5hp and regen.

So you get that perk, shoot up two zen hypos and you get learning speed?

It's actually kinda funny how the ai will ignore finishing off a 3hp guy because evans is sitting there with 5% higher chance to be hit.

It depends on a number of factors, not just accuracy. Armor and HP are also taken into consideration. A 3HP target should get to the top of the list unless in cover or activated gadget (no reason to waste shots if the target is hard to hit). 5% difference shouldn't be a factor, so we'll take another look at the target selection criteria. Either way, it's work in progress until the game is released.

I'm not actually sure it was 5% difference, but I seem to recall the only change I did was move evans 3 tiles away and another character one tile closer. Even with a range 2 weapon, it's probably worth taking that shot to kill.

 

[Parabalus]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target a particular party member.

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill seems pointless.

Far from it, based on the player-submitted builds and saves.

Where are these 4 PC builds which greatly benefited from defensive tags?

From looking at the steam thread maybe a minority of the 4p has armor tag on Jed.

From the very last page; tagged Evasion 9:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816755081

That's a solo build?

Evasion solo is pretty good, not against that at all.

 

[Parabalus]

Defensive skills in a party are also kinda pointless, the AI will go out of its way to target a particular party member.

The AI goes for the easiest targets, not anyone specific.

You can influence selection through body blocking and cover, but tagging a defensive skill seems pointless.

Far from it, based on the player-submitted builds and saves.

Where are these 4 PC builds which greatly benefited from defensive tags?

From looking at the steam thread maybe a minority of the 4p has armor tag on Jed.

From the very last page; tagged Evasion 9:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2816755081

I think Para is talking about 4 character parties, not solo play

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2807809521

4 people party, tagged Armor.

That's a good example, with 3 people tagged armor. Faythe is also ranged so she can take cover, meaning the AI can't easily target another member.

Is the Jed Armor tag better than tagging CS, given that Jed has Critical Thinker? Who knows.

Are you getting analytics directly from players or just the submitted steam builds?

 

[Technomancer]

So you get that perk, shoot up two zen hypos and you get learning speed?

Something like that. It's more than 2 though. Specifically for zen stim, mutation threshold is lowered but not to just two. Problem here is to get enough frog brains before leaving the pit. Triple worm fight filters out some builds hard. You can get an easy third brain in the factory but you can no longer come back so you will delay that mutation several acts if you can't get it early.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I'm not actually sure it was 5% difference, but I seem to recall the only change I did was move evans 3 tiles away and another character one tile closer. Even with a range 2 weapon, it's probably worth taking that shot to kill.

Might be 15% difference or more if the weapon had shorter range, so the accuracy could drop from 60% to 40. Plus in this case the switch of target is justified from the gameplay perspective as well. You took action to move the badly wounded character further away and offered the AI another target.