Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Re-Announcement Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Perkel]

I must be insane, I often feel like I'm the only person on the planet who's FUCKING BORED of goddamn cyberpunk. People say it's underutilized but they're so fucking wrong, it's the go-to generic setting when devs are bored of generic fantasy and generic modern military stuff. Even Call of Duty has elements of cyberpunk and shit.

I wouldn't mind it so much if at least people tackled a different take on the cyberpunk genre. Instead, most of the time it's the same shit: EVUL CORPS! AUGMENTATIONS! ARE YOU A ROBOT OR ARE YOU A MACHINE?! HACK THE SECURITY SYSTEM! and of course, it all takes places at night in shady slums or uber-techy buildings. I just hope at some point people would stop just ripping off Blade Runner and Neuromancer.


I wish people would focus more on other stuff, like alternate reality cyberpunk, biopunk, less noir riffing and so forth. There's so much more cool shit you can do with stuff like time travelling, drugs that fuck up your mind, body horror, FUCK, at least give it a distinct visual look.

I mean, look at The Long Tomorrow, the Moebius comic that more or less invented cyberpunk. Just look how visually distinct it is, most people would say you're crazy to call it cyberpunk (where's the uber dark stuff? where's the hacking?)


I don't know, just my two cents. Generic cyberpunk bores the shit out of me nowadays.

IT is not about setting but how you use it.

And no aside from very few games, even fewer movies and handful of books we didn't get true cyberpunk media. Sure there are ton of other books, scifis, games that uses elements of cyberpunk but almost none of them are in fact cyberpunk. Yes few pieces created more or less genre. But genre itself crystalized and formed apt name cyberpunk. Not cyber, not punk, not scifi, not augumentations scifi or any other but "cyberpunk"

People when talk about cyberpunk they often mean cyber not punk. Sure concept of augmentations or corporations are important parts of cyberpunk but all of them are background not foreground. In foreground is society at basic level that lives in those times and how they adapt their struggle with mechanization, culture change and so on those are the stories that drive cyberpunk and what cyberpunk is. Cyber without its punk part is no longer cyberpunk but sort of cyberpunk or straight up scifi.

It is not about that you have chip instead of brain but what it means to you personalty and how it influences you in your everyday life.
It is not about your artificial hand but about your struggle to win arm wrestle competition when you know that other guys have better models than you.
It is not about your friend artificial brain and how awesome from technology side it is but about your problem keeping up with him due to him being better now at everything.
It is not about new automated fabric that outputs 200k cars daily. It is about dudes who don't have now work and can't find new one due to being as effective as machines.

That is what punk part means.

Blade Runner wasn't good because it was about dude who fought androids and won.
Blade Runner was good because he lost fighting other people who only internally were androids.

There is no cyberpunk without punk part.


Going back to CDPR and Cyberpunk. I think they at least partially understand this as in trailer they didn't show fighting with opressiun or hack me fuck me or fight the powa like recent Deus Ex trailer but just part of common life where some augumented people just go "insane" as per cyberpunk lore.

 

[Daedalos]

What we need is just more SCI-FI rpgs and games in general. Well made, quality sci-fi games with an interesting sci-fi bacstory story and subplots, tasteful 2d isometric graphics, interesting and engaging combat system, cool encounters and characters along with AAA setting and environment art.

Cyberpunk might bore you, because what we have a shitty games.

When somebody makes a quality "cyberpunk" title, it will show and you will enjoy.

And no, the shadowrun series is NOT good cyberpunk..

 

[likaq]

What we need is just more SCI-FI rpgs and games in general. Well made, quality sci-fi games with an interesting sci-fi bacstory story and subplots, tasteful 3d isometric graphics, interesting and engaging combat system, cool encounters and characters along with AAA setting, graphics and environment art.

Cyberpunk might bore you, because what we have a shitty games.

When somebody makes a quality "cyberpunk" title, it will show and you will enjoy.

And no, the shadowrun series is NOT cyberpunk at all..

Improved.

Combine very good setting ( cyberpunk ) with abominable shitty setting ( high fantasy ) and you have shadowrun. Mediocre at best setting.

 

[Comrade Goby]

They managed to make high-fantasy popamole combat in TW3. what do you think they'll do, in a settings where guns are actually a thing?

As much as my lust for Cyberpunk/Sci-Fi makes me anticipate this game to a greater degree than I care to admit, I expect naught but console-style popping moles, truth be told. Kinda DXHR meets CoDAW.

Deus Ex meeting CoD seems amazing

 

[Perkel]

Improved.

Combine very good setting ( cyberpunk ) with abominable shitty setting ( high fantasy ) and you have shadowrun. Mediocre at best setting.

I though i was the only one here that didn't like Shadowrun setting..

 

[Hamanu]

I though i was the only one here that didn't like Shadowrun setting..

Shadowrun is meh/10. The cyberpunk elements are uninspired and the fantasy bits add nothing. It had a solid system from a mechanical perspective, but the setting itself is extremely mediocre.

Also, I don't know how anyone could be bored of Cyberpunk in 2015. I don't think that there has been a cyberpunk release in any media in years.

 

[Perkel]

Shadowrun is meh/10. The cyberpunk elements are uninspired and the fantasy bits add nothing. It had a solid system from a mechanical perspective, but the setting itself is extremely mediocre.

Also, I don't know how anyone could be bored of Cyberpunk in 2015. I don't think that there has been a cyberpunk release in any media in years.

shhh you have now deus ex ! Fight the powa ! /s

 

[Old One]

It would be enough for me to find a story without didactic anti-corporate propaganda. There's nothing more tired than that.

 

[buzz]

Also, I don't know how anyone could be bored of Cyberpunk in 2015. I don't think that there has been a cyberpunk release in any media in years.

Nigga get outside of Codex more.

Spoiler

Some of the shit in the list probably doesn't fit, like HL2 or XCOM. But still, there were a TON of cyberpunk games out there and plenty more to come, being shitty or not doesn't count. Now try doing a similar list for steampunk, or western, or arabic-style setting.

 

[Hamanu]

Nigga get outside of Codex more.

Spoiler

Some of the shit in the list probably doesn't fit, like HL2 or XCOM. But still, there were a TON of cyberpunk games out there and plenty more to come, being shitty or not doesn't count. Now try doing a similar list for steampunk, or western, or arabic-style setting.

I think they were probably high on cock when they made that list. They don't know what Cyberpunk is, Syndicate (the real one) isn't even on the list let alone at the top where it should be, and I still don't see any there that came out in the last two years. I'll grant that Cyberpunk was huge in the 90's and into the 2000's when all of those games were made, not now though.

Actually, I think Satellite Reign came out recently. So I'll admit that I'm totally wrong because of that.

 

[buzz]

and I still don't see any there that came out in the last two years

Invisible, Inc.
Technobabylon
Satellite Reign
Hacknet
Shadowrun: Hong Kong
Dex
Republique
Watch_Dogs
Dreamfall Chapters
Transistor
Tesla Effect: A Tex Murphy Adventure


That's just a few from quickly browsing Steam. Seriously, cyberpunk is overused as fuck. Especially the hacking/"corporations suck" type of cyberpunk.

 

[Deuce Traveler]

Spoiler

Beautiful find, buzz. There are some games that deserve to be off this list and some games that should have been added, but all and all a fantastic find.

 

[Hamanu]

Invisible, Inc.
Technobabylon
Satellite Reign
Hacknet
Shadowrun: Hong Kong
Dex
Republique
Watch_Dogs
Dreamfall Chapters
Transistor
Tesla Effect: A Tex Murphy Adventure


That's just a few from quickly browsing Steam. Seriously, cyberpunk is overused as fuck. Especially the hacking/"corporations suck" type of cyberpunk.

Thanks, a couple of those look pretty interesting and I might give them a shot now that you made me go look at them. Others I just don't understand how anyone can consider Cyberpunk (Watchdogs?! Really?), but I'll shrug and move on over that point.

 

[naossano]

Hard Reset doesn't fit in good tier.

It is a 10 hours (with DLC) straightforward FPS that have a nice atmospheric introduction, but doesn't change envirronnment until the very end, and barelly have any plot. Also it doesn't take much seriously. It mostly seems like a tech prototype for these develloppers, to attract publishers and get hired for bigger projects.

 

[Keppo]

These games are not CyberPunk, but mostly CyberSomething. We still didnt have proper CyberPunk game. Low life, high tech, dancing on the edge. We need game with good balance of Cyber and Punk.

 

[buzz]

We didn't have "proper" fantasy in a long time either but you don't see anyone wanting more of that tho.

 

[moon knight]

We didn't have "proper" fantasy in a long time either but you don't see anyone wanting more of that tho.

Because the "proper" fantasy is basically the high fantasy Tolkien style. And we know everything about that genre. You can change names of races and places in 1000 ways, but the substance remain the same. And personally, I don't want to be again the chosen one hero which has to save the world from the evil forces.
Cyberpunk is different. A proper Cyberpunk is an uncharted area in videogames, and has a lot of potential.

 

[moon knight]

grinning CEO in his highrise tower with his army of mercs!

Which is not what a proper Cyberpunk is about. :D
That is more the "Deus Ex" vision of Cyberpunk. Companies, mercenaries and a transhumanism philosophy about augmentations.
Mike Pondsmith's Cyberpunk 2020 was the opposite.

 

[moon knight]

You're full of shit, I have the rulebook in front of me and its about corps running everything, using mercs for entire wars(known as corporate wars) and black ops missions. Shush.

Yeah, but that's the context, not the point of the game. Cyberpunk 2020 is not about defeating the evil corporations, but to survive in that context.

 

[Gerrard]

Which is not what a proper Cyberpunk is about. :D
That is more the "Deus Ex" vision of Cyberpunk. Companies, mercenaries and a transhumanism philosophy about augmentations.
Mike Pondsmith's Cyberpunk 2020 was the opposite.

>Cyberpunk 2020
>was not about corporations, transhumanism and mercenaries

 

[Rhapsody'n Blue]

Cyberpunk 2077, i.e. the only AAA cRPG to give me hope for our future.

Sadly, since it'll likely relegate "Decking" to a roadside attraction, even this carries with it a degree of built in disappointment.

*cue eeyore sigh*

 

[Rhapsody'n Blue]

Because the "proper" fantasy is basically the high fantasy Tolkien style. And we know everything about that genre. You can change names of races and places in 1000 ways, but the substance remain the same. And personally, I don't want to be again the chosen one hero which has to save the world from the evil forces.
Cyberpunk is different. A proper Cyberpunk is an uncharted area in videogames, and has a lot of potential.

Yeah, but that's the context, not the point of the game. Cyberpunk 2020 is not about defeating the evil corporations, but to survive in that context.

The Witcher is arguably a game about attempting to survive in a vile, shitty world with no hope for redemption (which naturally bodes well for Cyberpunk). Granted, you are still a "chosen one," but less in the scope of the game's plot (just the backstory of the protagonist). On a more Cyberpunk tip, the first two Shadowrun games eschewed a "chosen one" approach to presenting the conflict. This holds true for Shadowrun Returns in full, though the linearity of that title mitigates the success a bit. Dragonfall hasn't introduced anything like that in as far as I played before getting bored, but it is possible something gets revealed later.

I think the chosen one trope is a general problem with gaming in general, irrespective of setting (but especially bad in fantasy).

 

[Rahdulan]

Because the "proper" fantasy is basically the high fantasy Tolkien style.

There's no rule about this, though. Look into stuff like Exalted.

 

[Lacrymas]

The "chosen one" trope is an excuse and not a plot point. That way you don't have to write believable and competent characters, you don't have to write reasons for why we are following this particular character or how they are able to do the things they do, you don't have to make them prove themselves to others because they are the "chosen one" and that eschews everything else etc.

I don't think Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be a cRPG though. The same way Witcher 3 isn't. It only has the superfluous trappings of an RPG but in reality it's an action semi-sandbox with MMOish mechanics and a focus on "story" which isn't particularly good anyway. That's what CDPR have been doing for a while now and I don't see Cyberpunk 2077 being any different. I do hope I am wrong though, because I am looking forward to seeing where they go with the whole thing.

 

[ArchAngel]

Cyberpunk 2077, i.e. the only AAA cRPG to give me hope for our future.

Sadly, since it'll likely relegate "Decking" to a roadside attraction, even this carries with it a degree of built in disappointment.

*cue eeyore sigh*

I think at best you can expect a game similar to new Deus Ex games.