Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[mogwaimon]

I think the problem most people have with certain agendas being pushed in media nowadays isn't that the agendas themselves are being pushed at all; we expect works of fiction to have themes and dilemmas which may have analogues with reality even if we don't necessarily agree with what is written. That's fine in and of itself. The issue is that, more often than not, the writers exploring these avenues in modern times often do so with all the subtlety and nuance of a man with a hammer running down the street bashing in the heads of everyone he encounters. Like the infamous Siege of Dragonspear NPC, for instance. If there were a gender-fluid guy running around and acting like a regular person who just so happens to prefer drinking a potion of gender change +1 every so often, I don't think many people would have had an issue with it. We've all seen much odder character concepts being explored. But they had the NPC act like a mouthpiece and shove his genderfluidity in your face as if to say, 'Look at me! I exist! This is the most important thing about me, aren't I special!?' and that was it. It was a character that solely existed to push an agenda, and wherever you fall in terms of your opinion on said agenda, characters that have no narrative purpose beyond that ultimately make for a weaker story and in some cases actively hurt it.

Yes, and I hate that stuff too. When I see moments like that... the "female power!" moment in Avengers 4 for example, or every man in Outer Worlds being a retard held up by the women around him... I roll my eyes massively. If Cyberpunk has moments like that, I will join you in mocking them, but we don't know if it will yet. Standard diversity PR in the year 2020 and hiring some women doesn't prove shit either way, and people sound like whiny cunts when they cry about it over and over. You cannot deny there are many who want all this stuff purged from their games, and are just as bad as the "SJWs" they hate when it comes to rejecting and whining about anyone who disagrees with them. It's like the goth kids in high school who screamed about the evils of conformity constantly and then made sure they all dressed the same and listened to the same music. I don't like whiny bitches and sheep on either side.

You're not wrong, but there is a significant and constant bias in media nowadays towards one particular ideology and for those creators who don't show support or 'worse', produce material that is 'offensive' for not using the proper pronouns, it can be a career-ending or life-destroying move. It's no surprise that people are frustrated when they're constantly being reminded of an ideology that is in their face 24/7 at the best of times and being rammed down their throat at the worst of times, especially in mediums that are primarily focused on entertainment and escapism. Of course, yes, there are some who just have an ax to grind as well and just want certain subgroups eliminated altogether, but that doesn't change the fact that 'standard diversity PR' and 'hiring some women' are sadly harbingers of decline, so perhaps people are right to be concerned based on previous trends.
That is not to say that I believe women are unfit for the workplace or something of that nature, but there have been quite a few projects that have precipitated a marked decline in writing quality with 'we've hired some women writers in the name of equal representation', such as when Marvel hired a bunch of webcomic writers/tumblrites who happened to be women for certain comics or when Rick and Morty shat the bed in season 3 after acquiring more 'diverse representation'. Not to mention the recent Ghostbusters/The Last Jedi debacles. That's naturally what happens when you hire based on gender/skin color/family instead of merit, but what can you do? There are amazing women writers out there and there will only be more of them now that society is the way it is, but they clearly aren't the ones being hired for these projects.

 

[Terenty]

Then you're an idiot because most great art has a political or social message in it, some are just more well done than others. I want Cyberpunk's messages to be well done, not absent.

Cant wait to hear about evils of capitalism from a multibillion dollar corporation CDProjekt

 

[Alexios]

So the consensus is that cyberpunk as a genre has always been gay and cringe and that no one should have ever expected anything from this game, from day 1?

Or you know enjoy the genre for what it is. But you are welcome to be a political snowflake because there are trannies in your game and you can't stand it like Kotaku wanting black people and LGBT in a medieval game

Codex when talking about normal fantasy and historical game: REEE NOT ENOUGH GOOD WORL BUILDING AND SOCIETY BUILDING. WHERE IS MY DEUS VULT WAH WAH

Codex when talking about cyberpunk: JUST FOCUS ON WHAT I LIKE, DON'T PUT TRANNIES THERE I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. IT HURTS MY CHRISTIAN SOUL WAH

And you're welcome to be a soyboy who can't fathom the possibility that his favorite developer will release (another) garbage, overhyped game.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

The whole body modification themes of cyberpunk was about forfeiting your humanity to, in your belief, 'transcend' it. The more chrome you stack, the more you begin to lose yourself because that arm you have is no longer yours. It's a metallic implant now grafted in. It was never about being some weirdo transgender. A person that would undergo cybernetic implants did so to better and exceed their physical capabilities.

Shadowrun for example used the idea of "essence" to be a trade off. The more cyberware you installed on yourself, the less of a spirit you'd have and risk becoming a near complete robot. The concepts about cyberware always relate to making something about yourself superior in a way of greater convenience. Working corporate security or for law enforcement but had shit luck on the genetic lottery and aren't as quick on the draw or possess poor sight? Well just go to a doctor who can dramatically boost and wire your reflexes or replace your eyes with what could be best described as having near Terminator levels of precision. In a world with that technology, the inherent value of a naturally physically gifted person means almost nothing if you can synthetically boost someone to be even better regardless of their genetics. In fact, such professions would likely expect you to undergo that surgery to maximize your efficiency whether you like it or not.

This is all from when sci-fi portrayed cyberpunk style worlds as dystopias and concrete jungles. We're living in this era where there's some odd romanticizing of a cyberpunk style world which puts away the main themes and philosophical outlooks in favor of "being sexy." There's no grit or fear of what could be. Cyberpunk stuff originally was never about enlightening people to the struggles of the mentally ill. It was a cautionary tale of how technology can be a great boon, but also can become something problematic and easy to exploit by those in power (hence megacorporations being a central antagonist). The on-going decadence and hedonism was a further representation of a rotten civilization, not something for celebration.

 

[mogwaimon]

The whole body modification themes of cyberpunk was about forfeiting your humanity to, in your belief, 'transcend' it. The more chrome you stack, the more you begin to lose yourself because that arm you have is no longer yours. It's a metallic implant now grafted in. It was never about being some weirdo transgender. A person that would undergo cybernetic implants did so to better and exceed their physical capabilities.

Shadowrun for example used the idea of "essence" to be a trade off. The more cyberware you installed on yourself, the less of a spirit you'd have and risk becoming a near complete robot. The concepts about cyberware always relate to making something about yourself superior in a way of greater convenience. Working corporate security or for law enforcement but had shit luck on the genetic lottery and aren't as quick on the draw or possess poor sight? Well just go to a doctor who can dramatically boost and wire your reflexes or replace your eyes with what could be best described as having near Terminator levels of precision. In a world with that technology, the inherent value of a naturally physically gifted person means almost nothing if you can synthetically boost someone to be even better regardless of their genetics. In fact, such professions would likely expect you to undergo that surgery to maximize your efficiency whether you like it or not.

This is all from when sci-fi portrayed cyberpunk style worlds as dystopias and concrete jungles. We're living in this era where there's some odd romanticizing of a cyberpunk style world which puts away the main themes and philosophical outlooks in favor of "being sexy." There's no grit or fear of what could be. Cyberpunk stuff originally was never about enlightening people to the struggles of the mentally ill. It was a cautionary tale of how technology can be a great boon, but also can become something problematic and easy to exploit by those in power (hence megacorporations being a central antagonist). The on-going decadence and hedonism was a further representation of a rotten civilization, not something for celebration.

in all fairness the 'rotten civilization' portrayed in the worlds of Shadowrun and the like is cause for celebration, at least to us. we live in a world with all the concrete soulless consumerism and global corporations doing basically whatever they want while the proles lose themselves in trash TV and virtual power fantasies. at least the cyberpunk people have cool cybernetic limbs and can fuck elves while they lament the state of their society, all we can do is cut our dicks off and open up an OnlyFans for neetbux.

 

[Harthwain]

So the consensus is that cyberpunk as a genre has always been gay and cringe and that no one should have ever expected anything from this game, from day 1?

Or you know enjoy the genre for what it is. But you are welcome to be a political snowflake because there are trannies in your game and you can't stand it like Kotaku wanting black people and LGBT in a medieval game

Codex when talking about normal fantasy and historical game: REEE NOT ENOUGH GOOD WORL BUILDING AND SOCIETY BUILDING. WHERE IS MY DEUS VULT WAH WAH

Codex when talking about cyberpunk: JUST FOCUS ON WHAT I LIKE, DON'T PUT TRANNIES THERE I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. IT HURTS MY CHRISTIAN SOUL WAH

And you're welcome to be a soyboy who can't fathom the possibility that his favorite developer will release (another) garbage, overhyped game.

That's not what's he's saying though.

 

[DalekFlay]

You're not wrong, but there is a significant and constant bias in media nowadays towards one particular ideology and for those creators who don't show support or 'worse', produce material that is 'offensive' for not using the proper pronouns, it can be a career-ending or life-destroying move. It's no surprise that people are frustrated when they're constantly being reminded of an ideology that is in their face 24/7 at the best of times and being rammed down their throat at the worst of times, especially in mediums that are primarily focused on entertainment and escapism. Of course, yes, there are some who just have an ax to grind as well and just want certain subgroups eliminated altogether, but that doesn't change the fact that 'standard diversity PR' and 'hiring some women' are sadly harbingers of decline, so perhaps people are right to be concerned based on previous trends.

I get why people are frustrated. The corporate press is a total shitshow right now, and not just for games. The witch hunts for anything to justify ruining a person's life are disgusting, full stop. The part where I differ from many here is that I don't think trannies have anything to do with it really. I'm a pretty easy-going live and let live sort of guy. You wanna dress up as a woman and ask your dates to call you Cleopatra then hey, whatever the fuck works for you dude. My issues are all about journalists trying to ruin people's lives because they disagree and think that person is a mentally ill idiot, and writers who write shitty dialog and design shitty quests because they want to look California woke instead of making a good game.

For Cyberpunk we don't have quests to react to yet, CDPR did well before on these issues, and CDPR aren't the shitty ass press trying to destroy lives, so... what are people bitching constantly about? It's either the existence of female writers and trannies in general, which I think is boomer moral crusade bullshit, or exaggerated assumptions based on PR, which I think is crybaby whining. The crux of my entire point today is: both are annoying.

 

[Yosharian]

You're not wrong, but there is a significant and constant bias in media nowadays towards one particular ideology and for those creators who don't show support or 'worse', produce material that is 'offensive' for not using the proper pronouns, it can be a career-ending or life-destroying move. It's no surprise that people are frustrated when they're constantly being reminded of an ideology that is in their face 24/7 at the best of times and being rammed down their throat at the worst of times, especially in mediums that are primarily focused on entertainment and escapism. Of course, yes, there are some who just have an ax to grind as well and just want certain subgroups eliminated altogether, but that doesn't change the fact that 'standard diversity PR' and 'hiring some women' are sadly harbingers of decline, so perhaps people are right to be concerned based on previous trends.

I get why people are frustrated. The corporate press is a total shitshow right now, and not just for games. The witch hunts for anything to justify ruining a person's life are disgusting, full stop. The part where I differ from many here is that I don't think trannies have anything to do with it really. I'm a pretty easy-going live and let live sort of guy. You wanna dress up as a woman and ask your dates to call you Cleopatra then hey, whatever the fuck works for you dude. My issues are all about journalists trying to ruin people's lives because they disagree and think that person is a mentally ill idiot, and writers who write shitty dialog and design shitty quests because they want to look California woke instead of making a good game.

For Cyberpunk we don't have quests to react to yet, CDPR did well before on these issues, and CDPR aren't the shitty ass press trying to destroy lives, so... what are people bitching constantly about? It's either the existence of female writers and trannies in general, which I think is boomer moral crusade bullshit, or exaggerated assumptions based on PR, which I think is crybaby whining. The crux of my entire point today is: both are annoying.

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

 

[DalekFlay]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

When you know that actually happened, get back to me.

 

[Yosharian]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

When you know that actually happened, get back to me.

Star Wars. Star Trek. Vampire: The Masquerade. Marvel Comics. Subnautica. Bioware.

 

[mogwaimon]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

When you know that actually happened, get back to me.

that actually has happened fairly recently, like with Ghostbusters, Star Wars...reportedly The Last Of Us 2 is also forgoing the more intimate and touching themes of the original to tell a lesbian revenge story as well, but since that isn't actually out yet I have to reserve judgement on that one.

I get why people are frustrated. The corporate press is a total shitshow right now, and not just for games. The witch hunts for anything to justify ruining a person's life are disgusting, full stop. The part where I differ from many here is that I don't think trannies have anything to do with it really. I'm a pretty easy-going live and let live sort of guy. You wanna dress up as a woman and ask your dates to call you Cleopatra then hey, whatever the fuck works for you dude. My issues are all about journalists trying to ruin people's lives because they disagree and think that person is a mentally ill idiot, and writers who write shitty dialog and design shitty quests because they want to look California woke instead of making a good game.

For Cyberpunk we don't have quests to react to yet, CDPR did well before on these issues, and CDPR aren't the shitty ass press trying to destroy lives, so... what are people bitching constantly about? It's either the existence of female writers and trannies in general, which I think is boomer moral crusade bullshit, or exaggerated assumptions based on PR, which I think is crybaby whining. The crux of my entire point today is: both are annoying.

I think I pretty much covered it in the post you quoted, but we don't necessarily disagree based on what you wrote here, it's just that you favor a wait and see approach which isn't a bad idea. But, I don't think you can really blame people for having a negative reaction based on previous trends. Ultimately, yes, we have some form of prejudice against media when we see these telltale signs that were mentioned before, but if the end result turns out to be good then hey, thank the gods we were proven wrong. If we were apathetic about the outcome, we wouldn't argue so vehemently against such moves. We all want good games in the end after all. The problem is, more often than not, the final product falls wildly short of expectations...

 

[Alienman]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

When you know that actually happened, get back to me.

Marvel comics is a big one.

Oops, Yosharian beat me to it.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

DC Comics is also making something where Batman, Catwoman and Joker are in high school with all three of them being in a polyamorous relationship.

This is not me making a funny post, btw. This is a real thing.

Oh and Batman is Chinese now.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

Sorry, this is bullshit. Codex would be cheering if it is impossible to become trannies in Cyberpunk. Heck Codex would be cheering if you can do a political statement about them like saying degenerates fucks or even kill all of them in Cyberpunk.

They would hail CDPR as incline if the devs openly admit of considering trans as degenerates.

Please don't be a hypocrite. What you want is ideologies reflecting yours to be in a game not that there are ideologies at all in the game.

I do agree that Star Wars and Marvel comics are seemingly eager to put their shit first and foremost and creating products later but at the end of the day, there is no product yet to be seen with CDPR Cyberpunk. You can play all straight male at chargen if you want, there just no BIG BUTTON with MALE in it.

And the Dev being mindful or supporting trans doesn't necessarily means the game will be badly written. Codex kneejerk to all of this is just an outrage that devs care about putting them at all, not because the actual content that is in the game (because at this oint it is non-existent, we don't know at all how CDPR will implement this). It is reverse sin of the omission of black people from Medieval game by Kotaku comment section. It doesn't matter what the context is, just being in opposite political axis is enough to cause outrage be it here or in Kotaku. You guys are not much different than you think.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

You guys are not much different than you think.

Well one big difference is we call ourselves guys. lolol

 

[ERYFKRAD]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

Sorry, this is bullshit. Codex would be cheering if it is impossible to become trannies in Cyberpunk. Heck Codex would be cheering if you can do a political statement about them like saying degenerates fucks or even kill all of them in Cyberpunk.

They would hail CDPR as incline if the devs openly admit of considering trans as degenerates.

Please don't be a hypocrite. What you want is ideologies reflecting yours to be in a game not that there are ideologies at all in the game.

I do agree that Star Wars and Marvel comics are seemingly eager to put their shit first and foremost and creating products later but at the end of the day, there is no product yet to be seen with CDPR Cyberpunk. You can play all straight male at chargen if you want, there just no BIG BUTTON with MALE in it.

And the Dev being mindful or supporting trans doesn't necessarily means the game will be badly written. Codex kneejerk to all of this is just an outrage that devs care about putting them at all, not because the actual content that is in the game (because at this oint it is non-existent, we don't know at all how CDPR will implement this). It is reverse sin of the omission of black people from Medieval game by Kotaku comment section. It doesn't matter what the context is, just being in opposite political axis is enough to cause outrage be it here or in Kotaku. You guys are not much different than you think.

No, this is bullshit. The Codex does not have a single unified opinion on anything.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

Sorry, this is bullshit. Codex would be cheering if it is impossible to become trannies in Cyberpunk. Heck Codex would be cheering if you can do a political statement about them like saying degenerates fucks or even kill all of them in Cyberpunk.

They would hail CDPR as incline if the devs openly admit of considering trans as degenerates.

Please don't be a hypocrite. What you want is ideologies reflecting yours to be in a game not that there are ideologies at all in the game.

I do agree that Star Wars and Marvel comics are seemingly eager to put their shit first and foremost and creating products later but at the end of the day, there is no product yet to be seen with CDPR Cyberpunk. You can play all straight male at chargen if you want, there just no BIG BUTTON with MALE in it.

And the Dev being mindful or supporting trans doesn't necessarily means the game will be badly written. Codex kneejerk to all of this is just an outrage that devs care about putting them at all, not because the actual content that is in the game (because at this oint it is non-existent, we don't know at all how CDPR will implement this). It is reverse sin of the omission of black people from Medieval game by Kotaku comment section. It doesn't matter what the context is, just being in opposite political axis is enough to cause outrage be it here or in Kotaku. You guys are not much different than you think.

No, this is bullshit. The Codex does not have a single unified opinion on anything.

No, nothing unified, I agree. Certainly, I have a different opinion than the majority of Codex. But if you consider the more active member raging in these threads and in GD, you can draw a picture of where the Codex is inclining, at least on political spectrum.

 

[mogwaimon]

DC Comics is also making something where Batman, Catwoman and Joker are in high school with all three of them being in a polyamorous relationship.

This is not me making a funny post, btw. This is a real thing.

Oh and Batman is Chinese now.

at least DC usually turns this sort of drek into alternate universe stuff though rather than let it infest the main books, and even then I'd argue that when DC does it it's at least watchable/not as egregious. They might be far from the days of post-Crisis and peak Vertigo, but they've not fallen off the decline cliff anywhere near as far as Marvel has. Not sure about the details on Chinese Batman though but when they did it to Superman Clark was still around and from what I've heard the book that the Chinese Superman was in was good. Haven't gotten around to reading it yet myself.

...and let's be real here, the least plausible part of what you said about the Bat/Cat/Clown 3way is the high school part. Everyone knows the Bat and the Clown have a 'special' relationship

 

[Yosharian]

People don't like seeing franchises they care about get taken over and destroyed from within by ideologues

Sorry, this is bullshit. Codex would be cheering if it is impossible to become trannies in Cyberpunk. Heck Codex would be cheering if you can do a political statement about them like saying degenerates fucks or even kill all of them in Cyberpunk.

They would hail CDPR as incline if the devs openly admit of considering trans as degenerates.

Please don't be a hypocrite. What you want is ideologies reflecting yours to be in a game not that there are ideologies at all in the game.

I do agree that Star Wars and Marvel comics are seemingly eager to put their shit first and foremost and creating products later but at the end of the day, there is no product yet to be seen with CDPR Cyberpunk. You can play all straight male at chargen if you want, there just no BIG BUTTON with MALE in it.

And the Dev being mindful or supporting trans doesn't necessarily means the game will be badly written. Codex kneejerk to all of this is just an outrage that devs care about putting them at all, not because the actual content that is in the game (because at this oint it is non-existent, we don't know at all how CDPR will implement this). It is reverse sin of the omission of black people from Medieval game by Kotaku comment section. It doesn't matter what the context is, just being in opposite political axis is enough to cause outrage be it here or in Kotaku. You guys are not much different than you think.

What does 'being a tranny' look like in CP2077, hypothetically speaking? As far as I can see, people are upset that you can't actually select a gender anymore. You're painting it as anger over increased options, my understanding is that it's anger over the disappearance of gender selectors (and the consequences it might have for the game, god knows), not the presence of more options.

Is it possible to please transgender advocacy groups without removing what many players see as a core aspect of character creation and gameplay?

As for cheering about options to call them degenerates, I would like to imagine that most Codexers would cheer at the freedom to say that, and also to do precisely the opposite, politically. After all, that's the freedom a good RPG provides.

I think part of the problem is that you're taking the very worst Codexers and acting like everyone is like that. Myself, I'm quite left-leaning, maybe even more than you, so don't assume things about what I want, or what I would or wouldn't do just because I despise social justice.

 

[DalekFlay]

Star Wars. Star Trek. Vampire: The Masquerade. Marvel Comics. Subnautica. Bioware.

I meant Cyberpunk. The whole point of the discussion you quoted was that people are whining about Cyberpunk without anything to actually whine about. If it comes out a California woke messaging game, then we'll talk. Same with Bloodlines 2.

Only other up there I really care about is Star Trek, and I think Discovery's issues are all about writing, not agendas. Haven't watched Picard yet.

 

[Riddler]

The Codex conservtard just doesn't want to admit that they are just the same political snowflake, just on opposite political spectrum, like most SJW are

I can understand raging about it in medieval settings. Something like Crusaders King 3, you want to rage about trans there? Please do so. It is a historical game after all.

Complaining about sexuality in cyberunk is insane. It is part of the setting. And within the setting, it is a norm not "degeneracy". You can argue/discuss in-settings about how society would move to that point. Maybe you can argue about that in a transition period of normal to late-stage cyberpunk society. It would be interesting to discuss.

But crying "Mom, there are trannies in my game and the dev are not treating them as a joke or degenerate. They even support them. WAH WAH"?

My issue isn't glow in the dark mechanical dicks or anything like that, cyberpunk being degeneracy central makes perfect sense to me. My fear is that it won't really be degenerate at all and the creators will project their values of the current idpol zeitgeist on the game, instead of something that makes sense for the setting.

IE. Trannies shouldn't be a point of contention at all in the game and shouldn't even exist as a meaningful identity. If you are transsexual then you'll just change your sex, end of story (like Mizhena should have in Dragonspear).


I haven't really been following along here but what I've seen (just the trailers and gameplay footage) seemed ok from this standpoint. The degenerate posters seemed to fit the setting for instance and a prostitute gang could fit as well.

 

[Yosharian]

Star Wars. Star Trek. Vampire: The Masquerade. Marvel Comics. Subnautica. Bioware.

I meant Cyberpunk. The whole point of the discussion you quoted was that people are whining about Cyberpunk without anything to actually whine about. If it comes out a California woke messaging game, then we'll talk. Same with Bloodlines 2.

Only other up there I really care about is Star Trek, and I think Discovery's issues are all about writing, not agendas. Haven't watched Picard yet.

What do you mean you meant Cyberpunk?? Ideological takeovers in other genres don't matter?

 

[InD_ImaginE]

As for cheering about options to call them degenerates, I would like to imagine that most Codexers would cheer at the freedom to say that, and also to do precisely the opposite, politically

You will be surprised how Codex will still cheer even if there is no option to do the opposite.

What does 'being a tranny' look like in CP2077, hypothetically speaking? As far as I can see, people are upset that you can't actually select a gender anymore. You're painting it as anger over increased options, my understanding is that it's anger over the disappearance of gender selectors (and the consequences it might have for the game, god knows), not the presence of more options.

As I said, you can still be one. You can hypothetically still be a straight male/female. Just there is no BIG BUTTON with it. People several pages ago said said that "there will be no option but to play as neon dicked girl" or something to such lines. To me it seems that, yes, they are angry at more options.

Is it possible to please transgender advocacy groups without removing what many players see as a core aspect of character creation and gameplay?

You would think so lol. There are several pages of people being angry that HBR added a "them/they" gender prefix to Battletech. Without as so much removing "him/her." And what part of gameplay that has been changed by addition of additional gender in Cyberpunk that we know of? NOTHING, at least not what we know of now. The game is not released yet and there is not much about it in trailers. But sure, keep circlejerking,

I think part of the problem is that you're taking the very worst Codexers and acting like everyone is like that. Myself, I'm quite left-leaning, maybe even more than you, so don't assume things about what I want, or what I would or wouldn't do just because I despise social justice.

Sure, this is my bad. But this is not really the first time gender options been an issue in the Codex. As I pointed out, even "they" gender prefix becomes an issue in Battletech. Maybe I am just assuming the worst of the Codex.

 

[DalekFlay]

Maybe I am just assuming the worst of the Codex.

Bless your heart.

 

[Yosharian]

Well, I tried.