Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Wunderbar]

It's overrated.

It ain't perfect, but I can't think of a game with better first-person melee combat.

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should've put eye of the tiger

 

[Morgoth]

I concur, melee combat is overrated. I prefer choking from behind instead.

 

[Sykar]

I concur, melee combat is overrated. I prefer choking from behind instead.

Rogue player who prefers Garrote opening spotted:

 

[mk0]

It's overrated.



Look in the video at the timestamped instance where the player slashes that mage three times.

If Cyberpunk came with that footage, everybody would cry what shit the melee combat is.

You're being disingenuous. That move is called 'Flurry of Blows', death by a thousand cuts is the whole point behind it, it's not supposed to cause strong hit reactions like the other moves you can do.

 

[GhostCow]

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"how do you do melee in a first-person perspective?"

Find the guys who worked on Dark Messiah of Might and Magic and ask them. Best first-person melee combat to date, even if the game's other aspects were meh.

That game was good but I think you're forgetting about Mount and Blade

 

[Comrade Goby]

Where'd all the pages go?

 

[Ol' Willy]

That game was good but I think you're forgetting about Mount and Blade

What about Mordhau?

 

[Zer0wing]

Nothing can beat source engine on physics and character movement, which is crucial part of melee and unarmed combat. This is why Dark Messiah and Zeno Clash 1 will always be remembered while M&B will not. (it's floaty too wonky not in the right way)

What about Mordhau?

 

[Maxie]

 

[Ol' Willy]

Why, though? Haven't played it, but heard some good things about.

 

[DalekFlay]

It ain't perfect, but I can't think of a game with better first-person melee combat.

Zeno Clash? Genuine question, I barely remember it, but I'm pretty sure it's considered one of the better ones. Also Dark Messiah's was better than that video acts like it was.

Honestly though I'll be silenced pistol headshotting, so it matters little to me.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

 

[Zer0wing]

Why, though? Haven't played it, but heard some good things about.

Subjectively speaking, those two things I said above. Movement and punching. Pretty sword animations are persuasive, yes, but I always felt like I'm shooting a gun with near zero range of fire (this is how knife in STALKER is implemented ). Funny thing is, latest CP2077 katana snippets already don't feel like this.

 

[blessed king of longing]

FEAR and Half-Life weren’t meant to be an exhaustive list of all games that stand out for their AI, but the fact is that gaming AI on the level of FEAR(or Stalker, another good example) stands out a mile(the FEAR creator wrote a paper published by MIT on his AI work, for example) and has not generally been surpassed. It is noteworthy that there is seemingly no serious effort to do so, either.

My personal experience with schoolmates who went on to become serious AI engineers combined with what I see and read has led me to conclude that there is comparatively no perceived market(money, payoff) for more developed gaming AI. You get some one-offs, sure.

What exactly was so impressive about FEAR's AI? From what I remember the enemies were nearly brain dead, attacking alone when they outnumber the player, watching walls instead of the last direction they heard sound coming from... They did some callouts but it can't be that hard to script some lines to whatever the player is standing near.

 

[blessed king of longing]

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"how do you do melee in a first-person perspective?"

Find the guys who worked on Dark Messiah of Might and Magic and ask them. Best first-person melee combat to date, even if the game's other aspects were meh.

It's overrated.



Look in the video at the timestamped instance where the player slashes that mage three times.

If Cyberpunk came with that footage, everybody would cry what shit the melee combat is.

WTF
This is what people have been raving about as being "good FPP melee"? Literally looks like playing war with balloon swords, except even less feedback

 

[Nifft Batuff]

It's overrated.

It ain't perfect, but I can't think of a game with better first-person melee combat.

Dying Light.

 

[Prime Junta]

They did some callouts but it can't be that hard to script some lines to whatever the player is standing near.

The callouts were actually a really simple trick that I'm surprised wasn't immediately copied by everybody else. Combat barks happen whenever an AI state changes. The only difference with FEAR is that instead of having just the agent whose state changed bark, they recorded bits of dialogue where parts of the bark would fire from other agents.

Example:

Agent 1: registers a hit

Normally, this would trigger a bark, "I'm hit!"

In FEAR, however, this would go like this the following:

Agent 1: Registers a hit
Agent 2: "What's your status?"
Agent 1: "I'm hit, but not bad!"
Agent 3: "I'm moving in to assist!"

That's all. It's just combat barks, except recorded to fire from multiple agents rather than just one. They don't actually do anything other than create the illusion that the AI is coordinating.

Source: http://www.gameaipro.com/GameAIPro2...gue_in_FEAR_The_Illusion_of_Communication.pdf

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Tehdagah]

Nearly every AAA game today has some free DLC

 

[Quillon]

Remember Deadfire had free DLCs, even adding sidekicks and shit. They treated the game thinking it'll be a really big success with Witcher 3-like post release support . No wonder Sawya's still traumatized by it.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

the player slashes that mage three times.

Lack of high damage doesn't equal bad combat mechanics

retard

 

[Grotesque]

the player slashes that mage three times.

Lack of High Damage doesn't equal Bad Combat Mechanics

retard

exactly.

wielding a huge ass sword is synonymous with lack of... high damage!

apologetic slurping imbecile.


so much fanbois of a mediocre game that is regarded like the summit that Cyberpunk2077 would only dream to reach, disgusting.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

A game's values aren't it's mechanics, retard.

Game mechanics are about what actions can be performed, how to perform them and what purpose they serve.

Values, even if linked and therefore having impact to it, aren't gameplay mechanics.

Just because Dark Messiah had poor balancing doesn't mean it's gameplay was also poor.

 

[Ol' Willy]

exactly.

wielding a huge ass sword is synonymous with lack of... high damage!

apologetic slurping imbecile.

For a record, I'm not a fanboy of Dark Messiah - I dropped it twice without finishing - but the guy in the video uses the shitty "furry of blows" which deals diddly-squat of damage and doesn't even stunlock the enemies. Power charges hit good and with feedback.

 

[kangaxx]

Imagine arguing about irrelevant shit like "melee mechanics", when it's now confirmed that you can dye your pubic hair pink!