Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Parsimonious cook]

Funnily enough the EuroSourcebook for CP2020 was written by a bona fide International Relations expert Mark Galeotti.

Knowing Galeotti's usual quality, this could have been one of his better predictions.

The retarded premise of the '94 collapse, the US suppressing constitutional freedoms overnight, are beyond repair.

Oh the "global" narative doesnt make much sense, especially with regards to the collapse of the US (I guess Pondsmith came up with all that).

Galeotti is off the mark with Europe as well of course (the source book came out in 1991), but imo it makes much more sense:

- EEC (there was no eastern enlargement, so it is just western and northern Europe) is basically a heaven on Earth in (given that this is a cyber punk world)
- central and eastern Europe is the actual cyber punk zone with weak governments, where the EEC and foreign corps go to do all the "evul corporate" stuff, nomads are a thing there, enviromental damage is off the charts etc
- USSR (rebranded as the Union of Sovereign Socialist Republics) is still around and basically does what China does nowadays, trying to beat the West at its own game by combining hardcore capitalism with an absolute power of one-party state

Holy fuck, Parsimonious cook wasn't kidding: https://www.amazon.com/Eurosource-Euro-Theatre-Sourcebook-Cyberpunk/dp/0937279188

Does anyone have a pdf copy, I would read it for the lulz.

I do. In fact I met Galeotti a few times in person (he was/maybe still is a non-resident fellow at Institute of International Relations in Prague, which is where I had my first job years ago), but I never built up courage to ask him about it :D

 

[AwesomeButton]

I do. In fact I met Galeotti a few times in person (he was/maybe still is a non-resident fellow at Institute of International Relations in Prague, which is where I had my first job years ago), but I never built up courage to ask him about it

I've always had a chip against people of Galeotti's camp because I see them as Kremiln appeasers. Their narrative goes in the lines: 1. The West misunderstands Russia and that's the reason for their conflict. 2. If the West could just do some studying (read "listen to me") it would start "understanding" Russia, and the conflict would be solved. 3. Not spelled out, but implicitly made clear, the West would then freely "do business" with Russia and the world would be safer and happier.

This couldn't be more wrong and it stinks of vested interest. It's also the Kremlin's dream that the West would sit down with them for a new Yalta agreement. That's why guys like Galeotti would be on my hit list.

Oh the "global" narative doesnt make much sense, especially with regards to the collapse of the US (I guess Pondsmith came up with all that).

The big trend of the nation state losing relevance in the face of individuals and households being empowered by tech advancement vis a vis the state, and its "traditional" institutions and "services" losing their meaning and substance, I think most will agree this is correct. But the way the CP world arrives at this state doesn't hold to scrutiny except if you rationalize it by assuming that you're playing a B-movie dystopian future pastiche.

 

[T.Ashpool]

Outer Worlds did it right IMO, game itself is entirely first-person to keep that sweet sweet IMMERSHUN but you can see your dorky avatar and his funny clothes in the menu.

it also has a simple third person idle animation if you stand still for a minute. something quiet easy to implement i think and you're able to see your character in the game world. i have no idea why cdpr didn't think of something as simple as that.

 

[AwesomeButton]

OMG the sourcebook is absolute GOLD!

Entering Europe
There are two ways to get in: legal and illegal

 

[Parsimonious cook]

I do. In fact I met Galeotti a few times in person (he was/maybe still is a non-resident fellow at Institute of International Relations in Prague, which is where I had my first job years ago), but I never built up courage to ask him about it

I've always had a chip against people of Galeotti's camp because I see them as Kremiln appeasers. Their narrative goes in the lines: 1. The West misunderstands Russia and that's the reason for their conflict. 2. If the West could just do some studying (read "listen to me") it would start "understanding" Russia, and the conflict would be solved. 3. Not spelled out, but implicitly made clear, the West would then freely "do business" with Russia and the world would be safer and happier.

This couldn't be more wrong and it stinks of vested interest. It's also the Kremlin's dream that the West would sit down with them for a new Yalta agreement. That's why guys like Galeotti would be on my hit list.

Well Galeotti certainly pushes the narrative of "misunderstood Russia" (see his latest book "We need to talk about Putin"), with the obvious subtext of "pay me to write some analysis/be in your working party/be a consultant so you can understand what Russia is REALLY like." He actually used to run a small-time consultancy firm that specialised in Russian affairs so the vested interest might not necessarily be something nefarious. He is just an academic trying to make a buck and frankly there were people who pushed far more harmful narratives to build their brand (see Francis Fukuyama).

I moved in these circles for some time and I was told by several people that being controversial always beats being right in IR (and social sciences generally), since “controversial thinkers” tend to be invited to conferences and have their texts published and quoted widely (even if for lulz or to demonstrate how wrong they are), but conference attendance along with publication/quotation stats are what the people in academia live and die by.

 

[Zer0wing]

Ah yes, Cyberpunk sourcebooks and adventures. They're all based and fun to read in general. "Diversity and Unity" snippet is also from one of them, Neo Tribes. And IIRC retained in Cyberpunk RED but I haven't read that yet, can't confirm.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Well Galeotti certainly pushes the narrative of "misunderstood Russia" (see his latest book "We need to talk about Putin"), with the obvious subtext of "pay me to write some analysis/be in your working party/be a consultant so you can understand what Russia is REALLY like." He actually used to run a small-time consultancy firm that specialised in Russian affairs so the vested interest might not necessarily be something nefarious. He is just an academic trying to make a buck and frankly there were people who pushed far more harmful narratives to build their brand (see Francis Fukuyama).

I know the MO, and that's all well and fine. The thing is that the efforts of such appeasers naturally do not go unnoticed by the Kremlin itself. Thanks come in the way of invitations to conferences, invitations to teach at MGIMO in Moscow, invitations to Valdai, when Valdai still meant something... Pumping up their ego and street cred among other academics - see Yuri Bezmenov's tales of how he used to recruit useful idiots in India's academia, if you haven't. But this is a mockery of their orignal mission - to be scholars and political advisors in good faith to politicians. It's like educating doctors who willingly go into the designer drug trade.

I moved in these circles for some time and I was told by several people that being controversial always beats being right in IR (and social sciences generally), since “controversial thinkers” tend to be invited to conferences and have their texts published and quoted widely (even if for lulz or to demonstrate how wrong they are), but conference attendance along with publication/quotation stats are what the people in academia live and die by.

I know, this is what made me spiteful of the whole mob. Most of those social sciences luminaries end up being like the loremasters from AoD: lots of fancy words and posturing, zero intellectual integrity.

I've been in South East European Studies for 7 years combined. You can't study the Balkans without a good grasp of all the "great power" factors that influenced them. I was lucky to have studied in philologies and history, not in the political sciences faculties. My impression is that political sciences are full of wannabe intellectual prostitutes who can't do better than pass the same ethos to their students. I'm not sayinig the subject matter itself is useless - studying political ideas is indispensible - it's just a bad academic atmosphere in my experience.

 

[MartinK]

Now that the photomode trailer revealed that V can wear high heels I wonder if puting these on will change eye level in 1st person.

 

[Perkel]

The real question is if finally game won't need nude patch because game will go default commando.

 

[AwesomeButton]

The real question is if finally game won't need nude patch because game will go default commando.

Nudity isn't such big news without more realistic body models, and bouncing titties. I really missed this functionality in Witcher 3.

 

[kangaxx]

I watch some lore-explaining videos on Cyberpunk and boy does it show some shallow understanding of economics and international relations.

Can we expect a heavy diet of corporations bad?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I watch some lore-explaining videos on Cyberpunk and boy does it show some shallow understanding of economics and international relations.

Can we expect a heavy diet of corporations bad?

That's an integral element of the cyberpunk genre, so yes.

 

[kangaxx]

That's an integral element of the cyberpunk genre, so yes.

A better way of asking my original question would have been "how well is this element is done?".

 

[Heroic Liberator]

That's an integral element of the cyberpunk genre, so yes.

A better way of asking my original question would have been "how well is this element is done?".

Well, the main plot is tied to Arasaka which is one of the major 'big baddy' corporations. And from the footage and preview info that we've gotten so far, it is emphasized throughout the game (e.g. corpo V being a dick to low tier corpo employees, the corpo lifepath prologue being about V getting tasked by his boss to murder another corpo employee, the street kid prologue showcasing how the police doesn't give a fuck about enforcing the law when it doesn't affect them and having them defer their course of action in dealing with caught criminals to corpos - including that of unlawful execution swept under the rug).

 

[AwesomeButton]

That's an integral element of the cyberpunk genre, so yes.

A better way of asking my original question would have been "how well is this element is done?".

That's subjective but I have confidence in CDPR's handling of the setting.

Was Nilfgaard bad?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Was Nilfgaard bad?

Nilfgaard was a civilizing force aptly portrayed in a grey manner (starting with the Nilfgaardian outpost commander in White Orchard). I think that the portrayal of corporations in Cyberpunk 2077 will be less grey, but that's to be expected given the genre and I likewise believe that CDPR can pull it off decently.

 

[kangaxx]

I can't fist bros for some reason, so thanks for the info both of you.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I can't fist bros for some reason, so thanks for the info both of you.

You have to pass the 1 year mark to be able to.

Spoiler

Or to become a patron.

 

[fantadomat]

Was Nilfgaard bad?

Yes,they were incompetent cucks that relied only on quantity and got their sorry asses handled.

 

[AwesomeButton]

There we are, 500 pages. Zer0wing , were you the one with the radeon card? :D

 

[AwesomeButton]

Was Nilfgaard bad?

Yes,they were incompetent cucks that relied only on quantity and got their sorry asses handled.

The canon ending is that they win the war.

 

[MartinK]

Can we expect a heavy diet of corporations bad?

Well, name areal life big business that does good above and beyond selling products and paying their employees and subcontractors on time?

 

[TheDiceMustRoll]

I watch some lore-explaining videos on Cyberpunk and boy does it show some shallow understanding of economics and international relations. It must have been a real challenge for CDPR to make something of this setting. For the Whicher they were in luck with the author not interfering and not having developed the universe too much. Better an underdeveloped setting than a puddle-deep one with a ridiculously implausible timeline.

reminder this guy bought da:i and beat it four times

 

[AwesomeButton]

I watch some lore-explaining videos on Cyberpunk and boy does it show some shallow understanding of economics and international relations. It must have been a real challenge for CDPR to make something of this setting. For the Whicher they were in luck with the author not interfering and not having developed the universe too much. Better an underdeveloped setting than a puddle-deep one with a ridiculously implausible timeline.

reminder this guy bought da:i and beat it four times

Reminder this is a presumed dead tranny, awfully butthurt about me ever since I revealed what kind of retard he is.

 

[fantadomat]

I watch some lore-explaining videos on Cyberpunk and boy does it show some shallow understanding of economics and international relations. It must have been a real challenge for CDPR to make something of this setting. For the Whicher they were in luck with the author not interfering and not having developed the universe too much. Better an underdeveloped setting than a puddle-deep one with a ridiculously implausible timeline.

reminder this guy bought da:i and beat it four times

Reminder this is a presumed dead tranny, awfully butthurt about me ever since I revealed what kind of retard he is.

I actually just finished replaying it,it is an ok time waster