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Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by Calis, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. DarkUnderlord Professional Throne Sitter

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    Banning it also doesn't change anything. What's the real difference if someone calls someone a "niggerjew" instead of perhaps telling them to "put more points into perception"? We're all smart enough here to know there's no difference between the two.

    I've never denied it. Though I will say you go to awful lengths to appear above it all, while engaging in your own mud-wallowing. It's that disparity I'm against. I recognise mud-wallowing for what it is. I've been around long enough to see plenty of times on other forums, where the "dumbass" gets banned for the same behaviour the pretentious twat gets away with, simply because the "dumbass" was more direct.

    That's the point though. The Codex isn't about intelligent conversation at the cost of all else. The Codex is about allowing members the freedom to express their opinions and then get chewed out for them, no matter what that opinion is.

    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... t=#1026559
    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... ht=#997840
    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... ht=#995977

    All made within the last couple of months. And speaking of banning words...

    So: False. As Mikayel said, you care far too much for a place you claim spends all its time wallowing in the mud.

    HAHAH. OH WOW. This is what Naked Ninja actually believes.

    Hence Retardo Land and the dumbfuck tag. Incidentally, note how neither of those measures is actually designed to stop the individual in question, rather to announce their presence to the populace at large? How people decide to react to that is up to them. It's why the Codex doesn't engage in the circle-jerk seen on so many other forums where certain games are declared winners and anyone who declares otherwise is hounded out. Over here, you get people on both sides of the argument and that's what's important. That people who fundamentally disagree with whatever's being said have the courage to say so.

    Much like what you're doing now.

    Given your argument is that we've scared away all those who are capable of an intelligent conversation, and given that you're here, what does that say about you?

    ... or is this the part where I should just say: False.

    The world doesn't run in black and white.

    What, personal attacks already?

    You're right. This is our forum. We'll ban who we like. And at the moment, that's no-one.

    Why? Because it upsets a handful of people's frail sensibilities? Why is that these "intellectual elite" types need to be protected from the poor sods with their harsh words? Yet at the same time, that elite will be the ones dishing out the insults.

    Perhaps it's because I'm smart enough to see that the Naked Ninja and VD types are the first to resort to name-calling, that I don't ban it when I see it from the less intellectual. You think NN's little retorts were done for anything other than to boost his own ego and claim the superior ground? He may as well have called Mikayel a "dumbass" and been done with it. At least that would be more intellectually honest.

    Speaking of words: "Fuck" appears in VD's posts 691 times.

    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... =fuck#6132
    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... uck#549372
    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... uck#506586
    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... =fuck#7060
    http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic ... =fuck#9303 (4 times in that post, VD was very upset about FO BoS)

    ... and nigger once.

    Banning those words, also bans the freedom of the smarter members to use those words as well.

    Oh and incidentally:

    First it was inappropriate jokes about the holocaust, and jew and black jokes were fine, then nazi jokes were bad and "fuck" was fine, now "fuck" is bad... Who was it that spoke of the slippery slope earlier?
     
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  2. Crispy Don't get old. Undisputed Queen of Faggotry

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    The minute you begin to censor certain verbiage here is the minute I log out permanently. Certainly the intent would be to improve the image of the site, and eventually the Codex might return to its more "friendly" persona from back in the early 2000's, but frankly almost every time I read a thread from then I pretty much cringe. It was so buttery as to be embarrassing, intelligent discourse not withstanding.

    I've always been a fan of self-policing, as much as can be done without losing all control. Let the true dumbfucks out themselves and be publicly stoned. Do you really feel they've completely taken over? Isn't it even a little fun to stoop to their level once in a while (admittedly, more than once in a while)? I do not look to the Codex as a guide how to behave in public. I look to its RPG section to read about and meaningfully discuss computer role-playing games. It still serves that purpose, although in the last five years it's mostly been in reminiscence. GD serves as the cesspool in which one can occasionally find a diamond or pearl, and I seek nothing more than that from it. Anyone who looks at it differently has unrealistic expectations IMO.

    There are good points on both sides, but if it were my decision I would continue on the current path. Choose your admins wisely and dump all openly NSFW stuff, keep the barriers between sub forums up (WAY up), but avoid the too-easily enforced word filtering and discriminatory ban policy.

    Also: I find it very interesting (and a little disturbing) the timing of the fact that this thread was recently bumped and is again now so active after the whole Watch incident. Can you feel "them" reading it now and snickering? Shall we become like "them"? Are we not men?
     
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  3. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    What you are saying: You should be nice to people if you want a good discussion with them.

    What I am saying: Not being nice shouldn't be outlawed.

    We're talking about two different things see? I agree with all your points, but I still don't want to live in a country where I can't say fuck, and I much less want to waste my time on a forum that bans such trivialities. Chances are, it says a lot about the rest of the moderation on that forum.

    Just go read the part of his post that concerns mass-derailing on the part of locked political discussions.

    In non-GD? Mostly only because we discuss something else. What the fuck is wrong with picking up an interesting debate when it arrises?

    You're the one that used the list as an argument.

    Alright. List the names of those you want to ban then.

    I guarantee you there won't be a unanimous voting to ban them.

    In conclusion, I understand every single one of your points, and it would have been much easier to call you a gigantic faggot. But you're kind of a nice guy, so fuck that: I have been a resident at the Watch (lurking), SHS, Planepocket Group, Gibberlings 3, ITS (lurking), Bioware forums, and much, much more. No where have I had the lulz that the Codex can provide, and no where I have been able to speak so honestly, as the Codex.

    The only place that comes remotely close i Pocketplane, because they generally have very light moderation.

    You should go read DU's post though. He's much better at the whole Obama-Braveheart speeches than I am.
     
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  4. Lonely Vazdru Pimp my Title

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    I, for one, am grateful for DU's policy. It makes this place the only place I know that doesn't enforce any sort of moral behavior and the results are no so bad. Without the Codex, I wouldn't know about any results, since all other sites (and society at large) are so afraid of what would happen, that they never give it a try.

    So let this place stay as it is, if only for experiment's sake. With order reigning supreme everywhere, a little pocket of chaos is more than welcome, it's vital.
     
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  5. Luzur Prestigious Gentleman Good Sir

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  6. Liberal Barely Literate

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    STFU.
     
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  7. Lonely Vazdru Pimp my Title

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    Ban plz.
     
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  8. Awor Szurkrarz Arcane In My Safe Space

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    Very true. Also debates often get extremely hot and offensive without even using "bad words" or personal insults.
     
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  9. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    ^guys don't derail the discussion or I'll ask a mod to lock this thread

    edit: indeed, there is zero difference between "ur a retarded niggerjew" and

    in fact, the latter example is worse, imo. Reminds me of the smug smartass-wannabes you have to tolerate IRL. Direct, honest insults among equals doesn't lower the level of discussions per se (which is why you can call a friend a fucking son of a bitch and he won't care)
     
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  10. GarfunkeL Racism Expert

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    Seems that the :decline: -people are all for the hypocrisy of coarse vs clever word use; where coarse language is forbidden but clever and witty insults are approved of. It's always fun to insult someone so eloquently that they don't even understand it but please allow the non-native speakers and the retards to have some way of come back.
     
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  11. spacemoose Erudite

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    I've already asked the mods to lock this thread. maybe you should have put more points into perception
     
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  12. Naked Ninja Arbiter

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    You can't tell the difference between calling someone's opinion stupid/imperceptive and a racial slur? Really?

    Really?

    Wow. Ok, I'm done with this conversation then, you've just emphasized what a waste of time it is.
     
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  13. Freelance Henchman Arcane

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    How is "niggerjew" anything but total nonsense? Unless you're an Ethiopean Jew (of which there are probably not that many on the Codex), how could you possibly take that seriously?
     
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  14. Futile Rhetoric Arcane

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    You're right, the former is far more offensive.
     
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  15. Clockwork Knight Arcane

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    I imagine they can speak for themselves and don't need whitey to rush in their defense to show how nice and tolerating he is.

    minor edit: And by "they", I'm including myself, since as a brazilian, I have a lot of nigger in my family. However, I also have a penis, so no panties are twisted

    You can have both lulz AND intelligent discussions, you know. It's not like the shit occupies precious internet space so serious arguments magically disappear.

    Says who? Wait, let me guess - "any smart person, duh".

    Like, you, for example.

    1 - both are insults, prettier words don't mean you're classier

    2 - Calling someone a retard who can't read like an adult is not the same as saying their opinion is horrible, don't weasel out plz

    Basically, you hate personal attacks that don't sound smart / are too direct, but are fine with calling people retards if you do so in a smug way.

    tl;dr: yet another hypocrite, nothing to see here.
     
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  16. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    What's your point? Surely you see the difference between people who swear and people who love the Codex because you can swear? The latter are here for the wrong reasons.

    Context?

    Have I ever advocated banning any words?

    Both links are about the same event: idiots laughing at pictures showing Nazi mass executions and cracking jokes about it. First, it's hardly a "Nazi joke". Second, there is no "THEN nazi jokes were bad". It's the same event discussed in two different threads.
     
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  17. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    It's actually better to focus on the most important points. As you might remember, on the cat pics thread me and DraQ tried to respond to each one of each other's points, and as a result we got unreadable walls of text.
     
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  19. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    I responded to what was addressed at me. If you want me to comment on what DU said to NN, I'll be more than happy to do so. Give me a few min.
     
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  20. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Nah, don't bother. I'm just blind (I thought the whole post was addressed to you).
     
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  21. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    We are also smart enough here to know that there is no difference between a lengthy post addressing game's flaws and "shit" or "suck" or "banal. shit. boring." Have I made my point or would you like me elaborate?

    At the cost of what else, exactly? If you say that the freedom of some 14 year old to behave like an imbecile is more important than having intelligent conversations, then I'd definitely disagree with you there, especially since in the early days the Codex was mostly known for the strength of its discussions. I don't think that anyone would deny that this is no longer the case. I would be nice if that bothered you a bit.

    It works when the ratio of intelligent posters to dumbfucks is 10:1. It doesn't work when the ratio is 1:10. Not enough chew power.
     
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  22. Vault Dweller Commissar, Red Star Studio Developer

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    So, what's the solution? Do the UK thing and praise our new multicult friends, making them as comfortable as possible, or expect them to become productive members and throw out those who are here for the wrong reasons?
     
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  23. Crispy Don't get old. Undisputed Queen of Faggotry

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    How about "coming back" and helping to drown out the dumbfuckery with what you believe to be worthwhile discussion?
     
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  24. spacemoose Erudite

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    and their horrible apinion will go on unchewed

    o fortuna
     
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  25. denizsi Arcane

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    I've hated the way VD's moderation took a turn for faggotry towards the end times, but this:

    Is valid, even if it's defeatist talk.

    You are a pussy. Following is my argument for why I used that defaming word:

    The situation with muslims is as much "us against them" as it goes. If you want to coexist with muslims, there are only two ways: Up (towards peace and tolerance) or down (towards becoming muslims' bitches). Guess which way the west is going?

    A significant (not majority, but significant enough to scare the shit out of neoliberaltards) amount of muslims living in the west are terrorists, eg. people who terrorize a society and forces them to submit to their demands out of fear. Forget about Al-Qaeda, bombers and all that shit that retards are brainwashed to believe to be terrorism. Real terrorists are those who live in your backyard and make you feel insecure in your own home. There is no negotiating with terrorists. You can't give them special treatment over anybody else. You need to treat them as you would anyone as aggressively as you can or they will never understand, they will never evolve. They will forever stay as the spoilt brat of the west. If muslims want to live in the west, they must first come to understand, then to accept and finally tolerate every aspect of the west.

    It's those like you who are always concerned and scared like a helpless little child that give in to ridiculous demands and help raise oppressive banners of neoliberalism further. Therefore, you are a pussy.
     
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