Decline 13: Temporary Subtitle

[KoolNoodles]

We REALLY need a sub for R'lyeh though, especially with other underwater fools. Heck, if somebody wants to play Pangaea in a pretty good position I will play R'lyeh.

 

[Dayyālu]

Yep. Party wipe.
Oh well, it was worth a shot

Guess that answers the question what spell levels are available to indies.

High. Tough Throne provinces are best dealt with with suicide amulets+scouts and the like. Particularly the Spring Hawks. Don't waste resources.

Gang-rape is no fun guys... I preffer only 1 partner at any given time, that allows me to extract optimum amount of pleasure and satisfaction. This subhuman behaviour where I'm subjected to this kind of demeaning tretmant is truly evil. Stop, please...

Please?

Cry for me, Argentina. And you are lucky that I'm too far to join the fun! Wonderful to have so many friends

DAILY REMINDER THAT EVERYTHING NAZCA SAYS IS LIES AND GIBBERISH

DO NOT REPLY TO THE BIRDS

DO NOT MAKE PEACE TO THE BIRDS

PURGE AND SCOURGE

EDIT: I'd prefer to play Starspawns too than Jotuns, honestly.

 

[Zibniyat]

I veto KoolNoodles' offer for taking over R'lyeh. He merely wishes to come closer to me and to join the lunatic party that conspires to partitition my territory.

 

[Zibniyat]

Cry for me, Argentina. And you are lucky that I'm too far to join the fun! Wonderful to have so many friends

DAILY REMINDER THAT EVERYTHING NAZCA SAYS IS LIES AND GIBBERISH

DO NOT REPLY TO THE BIRDS

DO NOT MAKE PEACE TO THE BIRDS

PURGE AND SCOURGE

Thank you for your daily reminders that you're not only eternally butthurt, but also genuinely only a teenager. And there really is nothing worse than being a teenager. But you'll grow up one day, I hope...

 

[Dayyālu]

Thank you for your daily reminders that you're not only eternally butthurt, but also genuinely only a teenager. And there really is nothing worse than being a teenager. But you'll grow up one day, I hope...

Ad hominem?

You are truly in a dire situation! Keep going

 

[Zibniyat]

I was merely stating facts, not directly responding to what you said. So no - no ad hominem there. As for my "dire" situation, I assure you this game doesn't reach that deep into my "heart".

Spoiler

Because I don't have a heart lel.

 

[Dayyālu]

It's merely a game. I'm not Grimwulf, even if I play his nation: I merely consider you persona non grata in Dominionesque sense, and I've stated such in several times.

Those goddamn Crushers in Decline1. I'm still somewhat butthurt for that, honestly

Point is, much of what you say is not exactly true: Mictlan can easily withstand losses of a hundred sacreds thanks to recruit anywhere, you lost a fair bunch of units if my recon is right, you avoided giving data on Argartha for suspicious reasons and the bless on Ys is middling at best ("powerful", cmon, it's not W9N9): you are trying to play your cards, but I have to keep the Eternal Enmity alive!

Plus you are highly betrayal prone, you can't deny it :D

 

[Zibniyat]

I forgot to mention a few more things which will be especially useful to the less experienced players.

On all maps having theoreticaly on average > 15 provinces/player, the creation of mid to long-term alliances is not uncommon. You should all have become aware by now that there is at least 1 such alliance already - Ys, Agartha and Mictlan. Ulm coordinates with Mictlan as well, but it is of lesser importance globally.

You should also take note of human nature itself, and how some players naturally gravitate to form alliances amongst themselves, despite not really having much use of such alliances. Like KoolNoodles and Dayyalu.

And lastly, again about human nature, some are simply "innocent teenagers" (for real), and their words do carry honesty, if not practical significance. Again, the case with Dayyalu. Such honesty tends to sway the susceptible others, which I have witnessed more than once.

Of course, you can use all this information to your advantage, I'm merely giving it out before I get bored from defending and following this thread etc.

 

[Zibniyat]

Also, I'll need additional 3 h extension please. Sorry about that, but you know...

Make this 12 h. Sincere apologies, but gang-rapes are never fun.

 

[mondblut]

you avoided giving data on Argartha for suspicious reasons

Agartha has merely moved a meager part of its military to the border because reasons. Yet we are already branded as aggressors.

 

[sqeecoo]

Mictlan has had massive losses against me for the last 3 turns. We're talking about more than 100 sacreds.

Urm, those sacreds are 15 gp, way cheaper than the hundreds of birds you lost!

Along with dozens of mages.

Ah, ok, this is a disinformation campaign It was like 3-4 mages to your 2-3.

They attacked me unprovoked.

Well, from my perspective, you vultured an Abysian fort I had just fought an Abysian army for, and then ignored any messages trying to discuss the situation while flying your hordes headfirst into my army

And from my experience, MA Agartha is very weak and nothing to worry about, but a W6E9 Ys is just weird enough to work!


Anyway on a serious note, extension granted, and shall we start looking for a sub for R'lyeh? I've chatted with Lizzurd and he said he was very busy, but I'm not sure I got a clear answer on whether he wants a sub or not, and I've asked him to tell us the situation here in the thread. Man, I feel like playing R'lyeh as well!

 

[KoolNoodles]

Now this is more like it!

 

[Eadee]

I had a conversation with Lizzurd on thursday, I wanted to negotiate for this game. His answer was that he'll probably hand his nation to someone else because he doesn't have the time atm.

So, looking for a sub doesn't sound like a bad idea.

 

[sqeecoo]

What did you want to negotiate for OH GOD THEY ARE PLOTTING TO ATTACK ME HLP PLZ!!!!1

 

[Zibniyat]

Mictlan has had massive losses against me for the last 3 turns. We're talking about more than 100 sacreds.

[1] Urm, those sacreds are 15 gp, way cheaper than the hundreds of birds you lost!

Along with dozens of mages.

Ah, ok, this is a disinformation campaign [2] It was like 3-4 mages to your 2-3.

They attacked me unprovoked.

Well, from my perspective, you vultured an Abysian fort I had just fought an Abysian army for, [3] and then ignored any messages trying to discuss the situation while flying your hordes headfirst into my army

And from my experience, MA Agartha is very weak and nothing to worry about, but a W6E9 Ys is just weird enough to work!


Anyway on a serious note, extension granted, and shall we start looking for a sub for R'lyeh? I've chatted with Lizzurd and he said he was very busy, but I'm not sure I got a clear answer on whether he wants a sub or not, and I've asked him to tell us the situation here in the thread. Man, I feel like playing R'lyeh as well!

Anyone really interested in the truthfulness of these claims can simply request of me to post screenshots, and I'll happily oblige.

[1] Hundreds of birds yes. Hundreds of sacred birds not. Also, the cost is negligible.

[2] I guess if you don't count those birds (turkey mages), among others. Which I do count.

[3] This is false. I've received no messages from him.

Modus operandi of Mictlan:

1. Invade another sovereign nation, the Abysia.
2. Make no attempt to contact me, Abysian neighbour, would I have any objections in Mictlan stationing 200+ units worth of army on my border.
3. Invade yet another sovereign nation, my Nazca.
3.a. Note: I decided to grab an Abysian fort right next to my border only after I've seen they'll be conquered by Mictlan and Ulm. A turn after besieging said fort, Mictlan attacks me, unprovoked, without attempting to settle the dispute in some other manner.
4. Make an alliance with Ys and Agartha and complain to them (and everyone else I guess) how I'm evil and terrible for defending myself and for not being enthusiastic enough to allow hundreds of units to be stationed on my border.

To Mictlan's neighbours: this is who you're dealing with. Rembember it well for the future. Or, if you're intelligent enough, you'll use it for the present and by doing so actually secure the future to remember it when the time comes.

 

[Zibniyat]

Agartha has merely moved a meager part of its military to the border because reasons. Yet we are already branded as aggressors.

"Meager part" that just so happens to contain ~70% of his entire army. Surely merely a coincidence.

 

[mondblut]

Agartha has merely moved a meager part of its military to the border because reasons. Yet we are already branded as aggressors.

"Meager part" that just so happens to contain ~70% of his entire army. Surely merely a coincidence.

70% of his entire army is still doing parades in the capital

 

[thesheeep]

What's going on here?! Such activity!

Well, if we are going to look for a R'lyeh replacement, I think all UWs should agree to leave them alone until we got the new player.
Maybe, if no sub is found until the next 3 turns are in, we declare R'lyeh free to grab?

 

[sqeecoo]

All right then! Men, we need a sub for a pretty strong R'lyeh! Please tag whoever you can remember, my brain is not working very well at teh momement.

hoverdog, noisenerd, hello friend, Dreaad

Anyone really interested in the truthfulness of these claims can simply request of me to post screenshots, and I'll happily oblige.

[1] Hundreds of birds yes. Hundreds of sacred birds not. Also, the cost is negligible.

[2] I guess if you don't count those birds (turkey mages), among others. Which I do count.

[3] This is false. I've received no messages from him.

Heh. Well, let me provide screenies of the battles + my messages to you that you never answered:

Spoiler

 

[hoverdog]

which turn is it?

 

[sqeecoo]

Turn 31!

 

[hoverdog]

well hell why not.

 

[sqeecoo]

Great! PM me a mail

 

[Zibniyat]

Heh. Well, let me provide screenies of the battles + my messages to you that you never answered:

Spoiler

So, not a dozen of mages but 5 (I thought there were at least 7 of those turkey-mages killed). OK.

The rest of what I said is still completely correct. Including that the claim you sent me those messages is false. Just whom did you actually send those messages is anyone's guess, for I received none.

And let me prove it, because this accusation that I didn't respond to multiple messages is beyond ridiculous!

First the screenshot:

Spoiler

Notice that there is only 1 conversation there that I have had with you. And I've made it yesterday. If you're talking about some other games or other conversations, I really don't have them. Maybe I erased them some time ago, maybe I left the conversation, I don't know. But I received no messages from you regarding this game. I received no alerts from you also.

I most certainly would never keep silent just because, if you sent so many messages. Why didn't you call me out in this thread? Why not send a message in-game? We could've avoided so much of wasted effort.

If you still don't believe then what can I say, ask DarkUnderlord to confirm my claims if he can, because I'm the victim here and have nothing to hide.

 

[Zibniyat]

And to answer that last message of yours in that "conversation" - yes, I'm all for peace, Jesus Christ. I'll let you have those 2 former Abysian provinces and hopefully this mess of a nightmare can be over ASAP.