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Diablo 2: Resurrected remaster

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
The diablo clones are better than they ever were atm and rts was killed by mobas.

The only noteworthy Diablo clone is Grim Dawn and that's just a snoozefest.
I played a bunch of Diablo clones - Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, PoE, Victor Vran, Torchlight. Never finished a single one. Only piece from this genre I've ever liked is Diablo.

Same with card games. Tried a bunch, only one I got into was Hearthstone.

Never really respected Blizzard, they always imitated successful games instead of creating their own shit, but they did use to have certain mojo under Morhaime.
 

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Rofl, people admitting they only like blizzard's manure while qqing blizzard killed genres.
 

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Blizzard "killing genres" is just nonsensical bullshit. Yes they ripped off Dune 2 with Warcraft and W1 was actually p. bad but W2, W3 and Starcraft are to this day some of the best RTSs ever made.

And yes they ripped off EverQuest, UO and Lineage with WoW but those old MMOs were terrible anyway and also who gives a shit about MMOs.

But they DID kill videogame art with W3 for the next 15 years. Still remember staring at the first screenshots with open mouth, especially after Blizz's streak with the dark, cool, mature Diablos and Starcraft. With W3 we transitioned into the manchildren era.
 

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Speaking of MMOs, how were they before the decline that is WoW? I never got into the genre, but I do know the degeneracy of modern mmos i.e. cooldown abilities, ui filled with icons, color coded equipments etc.
 

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Speaking of MMOs, how were they before the decline that is WoW? I never got into the genre, but I do know the degeneracy of modern mmos i.e. cooldown abilities, ui filled with icons, color coded equipments etc.
I remember trying UO and EverQuest in, like, late 1990s I guess and absolutely hating them. Compared to all the glorious single-player RPG experiences at that time they felt weird, dumb, repetitive and ugly, plus my internet was bad and my Engrish was barely passable and I couldn't interact with people, which is the main (the only) draw of MMOs. Your mileage might've varied tho if you had a good internet, are an English speaker and actually like to interact with fellow neckbeards, autists and weirdos (the only kind of people who were playing MMOs back then).
 

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Your mileage might've varied tho if you had a good internet, are an English speaker and actually like to interact with fellow neckbeards, autists and weirdos (the only kind of people who were playing MMOs back then).
Exactly. For the same reason some people nowadays love so much games like Space Station 13. It's all about social interactions while the game itself just a playground which set a direction of sorts. That's my take on those old MMOs as well. But I disagree that that's the only draw of MMOs in general: both PvP oriented and PvE team co-op focused provide a lot more than just a platform for social interactions.
 
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I played a bunch of Diablo clones - Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, PoE, Victor Vran, Torchlight. Never finished a single one. Only piece from this genre I've ever liked is Diablo.

Same with card games. Tried a bunch, only one I got into was Hearthstone.

Never really respected Blizzard, they always imitated successful games instead of creating their own shit, but they did use to have certain mojo under Morhaime.

Certainly a bunch of meh Diablo clones out there. Titan Quest and Torchlight 1 just didn't age well. Victor Vran ist a bit too consol-ish for my liking.

But I had good fun with Torchlight 2, Grim Dawn, Path of Exile, Van Helsing, and Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor.
 

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Oh, they are selling the same game again? 3rd one at this point, right? Can't wait for it to bomb, like w3:reforged did. Maybe then people will stop paying for these dogshit texture mods, that have less content than the original from 20 years ago.


Watch it sell 20mln or more.

Unlike W3 which was shit game to begin with and got shit remaster to properly show it was shit game D2 remaster is just graphics swap with original game intact under it + some very mild QOL.

It was not even made by Blizz as VV studio was just bought by them when it was close to finish line (i think it was blizzcon they announced it)
 

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Watch it sell 20mln or more.
No it won't.
Bugs, questionable visual design changes, dropped features are the main reasons.

Unlike W3 which was shit game to begin with and got shit remaster to properly show it was shit game D2 remaster is just graphics swap with original game intact under it + some very mild QOL.
The original W3 was an excellent game with vastly different playable races with a light rpg touch. Perfection!
It's remaster was simply a shitty remaster which also forcefully updated any original W3 it could find....

It was not even made by Blizz as VV studio was just bought by them when it was close to finish line (i think it was blizzcon they announced it)
And the studio making the game is an independent studio or one belonging to Activision and under the control of Blizzard.
Hint (the correct under is the number 2) ;-)
 

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Why did I think POE was a mock tb game? Oh Pillars of Eternity.... DOH!
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Online game eh?

"Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Victor Vran...,Torchlight 2"
Another case if bought and hoarded but not played. I have issues. I played the fuck out of Darkstone back in the day before transitioning to Dungeon Siege. Never Finished DS.

....Diablo clones - Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Victor Vran...,Torchlight 2, Path of Exile, Van Helsing, and Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor
Warhammer 40,000: Inquisito isn't likely to ever get a GOG release... boo!
 

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https://archive.is/3Y7u5
“Diablo” developers speak on game and company issues

Stephen Totilo

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Image: Activision Blizzard

The creators of “Diablo II: Resurrected” say people should “do what they feel is right,” when considering whether to buy next week’s big release from Activision Blizzard.

Why it matters: “Resurrected” is the first game from Activision Blizzard since California filed an anti-discrimination suit against the company, largely over sexism, harassment and other workplace problems at Blizzard, where the “Diablo” series was created.
  • “It was definitely very troubling to hear these types of things,” “Resurrected” design director Rob Gallerani tells Axios, referring to the misconduct allegations.
  • “And we really wanted to support our colleagues and our co-workers.”
Between the lines: The remake is primarily being made by Vicarious Visions, a studio in upstate New York that has long worked on non-Blizzard games and was not implicated in the suit.
  • But the allegations still caused the team to self-reflect, Gallerani says, which involved studio management reaching out to employees to ask what could be done better.
  • “We heard a lot of really positive things, but I don't think that we ever get a pass on that,” he says. “We always need to keep asking.”
  • The controversy also triggered a “scrub” of the original content of “Diablo II” for any problematic references. Names and quests are being changed in other Blizzard games, but Gallerani says the check found nothing.
Details: The remake wasn't expected to be controversial when it was announced in February.
  • 2000’s “Diablo II” is a beloved fantasy classic that lets players team up with friends to hack through legions of hellish foes while collecting ever-better loot.
  • Gallerani refers to the project as a “double-decker cake” of 100% of the original game’s code — tweaked only for the remake’s online and security systems — with a new visual engine on top of it.
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Amazon warrior in "Diablo II Resurrected." Image: Activision Blizzard
Changes include new looks for the game’s characters, including its female Amazon warrior.
  • Her original, more sexualized design has been criticized by some, including a longtime Blizzard fan who once publicly challenged Blizzard over its "Victoria’s Secret" approach to female character design.
  • “A lot of those points of view weigh very heavily on us,” Gallerani says, though he says her revamp for the new game was primarily due to an effort to make all the characters look more like warriors who battled hell demons, rather than people who “rolled out of a nightclub.”
The bottom line: Some long-term fans are now hesitant to support Activision Blizzard games, demanding that the company meet employee demands for reform.
 

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I played a bunch of Diablo clones - Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, PoE, Victor Vran, Torchlight. Never finished a single one. Only piece from this genre I've ever liked is Diablo.
I finished a few of them (Torchlight, Torchlight 2, Victor Vran) probably because I mostly play them in CoOp, but I agree with the overall gist of this. Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Torchlight I/II, Dungeon Siege III are boring, Path of Exile is boring (I didn't get very far though, since I dropped it relatively early and it was quite a while ago), even Diablo III is fucking boring. For most of these not even playing CoOp will make you suffer through and finish them. Replaying the Diablo 2 Beta and going through the content again with two chars reminded me that these games don't have to be boring and they can even be exciting enough that you'd want to replay the same content again with another character and not be thankful that it's finally over. The only one I actually liked and got into was Victor Vran, which also had some unique and new game mechanics.

I honestly think Diablo 2 is old Blizzard's worst game by far and has only gotten worse.
Warcraft 3 was the worst of old Blizzard games. Shitty RTS that was ultimately used as a way to transition into WoW.
This shit is especially funny, since StarCraft notwithstanding, Diablo II and WarCraft 3 are probably the best games Blizzard has ever made.
 
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WarCraft 3 are probably the best games Blizzard has ever made.

W3 is one of the worst RTSes.

I would just say it's a different style of RTS, similar to Company of Heroes which focuses more on squads with a lot of abilities. I played a lot of AoE 2 and SC as they were my favorite RTS:es, didn't enjoy WC3 a lot for the standard gameplay it offered but the custom maps were legendary just like in SC.
 

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I doubt this will make it in
latest

The Reziarfg is one of the most enduring and famous April Fool jokes centering around the Diablo II Universe.

It is a fictional monster created by Battle.net Staffers at the Arreat Summit. Its stats are still present there as a grim reminder to all those Hardcore characters who lost their lives to find it.

Unofficial Lore

"Spawned from the very bowels of the skulking Stygian Beast who awakens only once every 1000 years to feed off the spawn of its own bile and pus, the Reziarfg is truly the most hideous and vile monster in all of the Three’s bestiary. It was once said that the Three did not always rule the darkness that beasts beyond thought swelled and slithered across the void. It is believed that some of these nightmares may still exist hidden deep within the pitch of the abyss where even the darkness of the upper realms of hell seems like day. This is where Reziarfg lives."

Can't expect NEW easter eggs and content pshhh. Unlockable NPCs to play, warrior, rogue, sorcerer, monk, bard, crow, drunk...

I await the vids.

Well, it could have been worse. It could have had D1+Hellfire added and redone using the D2 engine. If i want that... belzebub is an option as it is pretty similar in some ways. (Never get that clear the dungeon feel since levels respawn upon reload).
 
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Perkel

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I would just say it's a different style of RTS

Yeah the so called shit rts type like Age of Mythology.

The only thing going for it was that it was blizzgame at height of blizz fandom who would buy anything in milions with its sticker + blizz cinematics people jacked off to. And i finished W3 along with extra content.

Even russian RTSes like Tzar were better than this shit. Out of 50 rtses in that era it wouldn't be even in top 30.
 

Dexter

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It was just so unpopular and bad that everyone and their dog created Custom maps for it with entirely new experiences you could play with friends for hundreds of hours, and it even popularized entirely new genres of Computer games like MOBA or Tower Defense and WC3 Custom maps still have an influence on games being developed even today, oh and the campaign was also pretty good for back then.
 

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