Game News Diablo III Muslim Controversy

[Marsal]

I already gave my extensive thoughts on this on GameBanshee. The short form of it is that Blizzard are creating a videogame aimed at a mass audience for the sole purpose of making money. Their depiction of the Quran is not an artistic statement and cannot be defended as such. Regardless of any personal opinions about Islam or Muslims, the fact is that it is not in Blizzard's best interests to alienate a large portion of their market. The West generally has a poor understanding of Islam and Muslim culture, and so it's generally fairly common to act in a way that demeans it unintentionally; however, now that the error has been exposed, there is no justifiable reason to not remove the reference without actively contradicting Blizzard's own business goals and significantly damaging customer relations.

I was going to unleash that Arnie gif again (I have it bookmarked and will use it every chance I get, because it's awesome), but I know you're serious and it's just sad. One of the better posters and members of the Codex overall, a future game developer, advocating pandering to a bunch of irrational peasants...

Why should the West try to improve its understanding of Islam and Muslims? Why are they significant? Most of them are backwards people, living in the past, technologically, culturally and spiritually. Do you want to tell Jaesun to learn from Muslims? His vile lifestyle spits in the face of Allah.

They have nothing worthwhile to teach the West. This is, of course, assuming we want to further liberal democracy and civil rights, as much as that sounds laughable considering the actions of the USA government and global corporations. Instead of moving away from religion altogether, banning indoctrination of children (e.g. baptism), we should be more sensitive and learn more of other religions not to offend some savages? They should dictate what we do and how we do it?


And it's not just a texture. It's not just some cartoons in Denmark. It's the fucking principle. STFU and keep your shit to yourselves. Stop scrutinizing random things in hope of finding something that remotely resembles one of your doodles, so you can express outrage at the treatment of Muslims in western culture. Deal with it :shepard: No one cares if you're offended.

As for "alienating a large portion of their market", that made me laugh. Just how many Muslims do you think have the means and intend to buy Diablo? How many of them are not just "token" Muslims and are going full retard boycotting the game for stupid shit like this (as if there are no valid reasons not to buy D3). Weren't there inverted crosses in first Diablo? How many consumers did that alienate? Did it not help make Diablo what it was, adding to the atmosphere?

Even more sad is the fact that majority of corporate assholes think like you and this will get promptly "rectified". Welcome to the herd. This is why we can't have nice things.

Comrade Meltdown is our only hope now. Lulzy images must flow!

 

[Volken]

We need more orthodox christians, something like space marines of Jesus Christ chapter.

It's time for another crusade! Show the muslims that we, white people, still have some balls or they will forerver disrespect us and treat like conquerable weaklings. Pain is only understandable multicultural language.

muslimgamer check this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

 

[Needles]

There are some aspects of this particular time in history that just piss me off. One that's p. much on top is shit like this, and worse, the "western" world's usual reaction to it. Someone's offended? Oh sorry for offending you, we'll just "tolerate" and "respect" you by doing it your way. I must've misunderstood the meaning of tolerance and respect or something, because this does not fucking compute.

First off, the most vocal complainers are not really offended, for them it's pretty much a test of power, of what one can get away with. They push, and more and more often, the media,companies,politicians back down. They know that now, so why stop pushing. Escalation is the logical consequence. If no-one is gonna oppose you...

Second, using the typical argument of a coward, hiding behind a faceless crowd: "Your're gonna offend 12128912912918998 people". So where are all these people? Isn't it presumptous for you to speak for them?


Cartoons, Theo van Gogh's stuff, Southpark, food in prison [about a million other things] and now a computer game with an imagined slight on your unsubstantiated beliefs and fake honor.

tl:dr

FUCK YOU!

Ha, Marsal kinda beat me to it. Cheers man.

 

[deus101]

Lets start by blowing up a political youth camp....that sure to work.

 

[Volken]

"The feast of the Holy Name of Mary is celebrated on 12 September on the liturgical calendar of the Catholic Church in commemoration of the victory in this battle of Christian Europe over the Muslim forces of the Ottoman Empire. Before the battle King Jan had placed his troops under the protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary. After the battle Pope Innocent XI, wishing to honor Mary, extended the feast to the entire Church."

This should be your answer. We celebrate that we kicked your muslim ass.

 

[FeelTheRads]

So when should we expect the suicide bombing of the Codex servers and the public stoning of DU?

 

[asper]

Even if there was INTENTIONAL mockery of Islam in a game, a sign of maturity would be NOT to be offended. Look how many games use Satanic symbols, ever heard of a Christian outrage about this?

 

[deus101]

This is, of course, assuming we want to further liberal democracy and civil rights.

!

Instead of moving away from religion altogether, banning indoctrination of children (e.g. baptism)

♪ ONE OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT LIKE THE OTHER!.... ♪


Also...couple things...global economy, emerging markets, scientific and technological developent "HURR DURR CAVEMENS" hah hahaha, Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.


Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4uySuFiCis


So i welcome our Mussize overlords since...thats obviusly what im doing.

Fuck it, I'm going out to booze with some Bosniaks.

 

[almondblight]

Well, you know, muslim gamer's request isn't punishable by anything around here nor did I ever *sob* request muslim gamer to cease to *sob* request *sob* retarded shit, you know. *sob* But I can tell you my opinion about muslim gamer's request and you can like it having such an admirable knack for free speech and all.

And neither did muslim gamer talk about beheading or stoning anyone. Ah, but you don't like it when people make hyperbolic statements about yourself when you complain about things, do you? Can dish it out but can't take it? Hell, what I said was pretty reserved. The equivalent to what you said about muslim gamer would be me saying something like, "why don't you shove him in a furnace, isn't that what you people do with religions you don't like?"

 

[tindrli]

sometimes im just ashamed for being muslim..but thats just sometimes

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

And neither did muslim gamer talk about beheading or stoning anyone.

And neither did I say he did. And yet this is a often seen reaction of muslims to things that "insult Islam".

The equivalent to what you said about muslim gamer would be me saying something like, "why don't you shove him in a furnace, isn't that what you people do with religions you don't like?"

That would be an appropriately retarded thing to say. Maybe you should say it.

 

[Wunderpurps]

Do the scrolls in the game look like the Torah? We better remove scrolls. I hope that none of the books have a plain black cover because I have seen some bibles that look that way, so they better only be on bookshelves, or better yet, on a shrine covered in the holy light of jesus jizz.

Do ALL Qurans look the same? There aren't different styles of covers for the book? That is just strange.

Eventually Bobby Kotick will sue the Koran for copyright infringement.

 

[Oriebam]

fucking space kykes meddling with the video game industry

 

[Country_Gravy]

We need more orthodox christians, something like space marines of Jesus Christ chapter.

It's time for another crusade! Show the muslims that we, white people, still have some balls or they will forerver disrespect us and treat like conquerable weaklings. Pain is only understandable multicultural language.

muslimgamer check this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

A new crusade? Already happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

 

[Kz3r0]

We need more orthodox christians, something like space marines of Jesus Christ chapter.

It's time for another crusade! Show the muslims that we, white people, still have some balls or they will forerver disrespect us and treat like conquerable weaklings. Pain is only understandable multicultural language.

muslimgamer check this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

A new crusade? Already happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

It's not a crusade if is against a secular regime dolt, how you will cal the war against Libya then, where NATO openly supports integralists and Al-Qaeda.
Fuck, the West is sucking up to muslims even when waging war against them.

 

[Marsal]

This is, of course, assuming we want to further liberal democracy and civil rights.

!

Instead of moving away from religion altogether, banning indoctrination of children (e.g. baptism)

♪ ONE OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT LIKE THE OTHER!.... ♪

I didn't say ban religion outright (although that wouldn't be the worst idea ever), but ban indoctrination of children, a form of child abuse. I used baptism (at an early age, of course) as an example. When you reach the age to vote (whatever it is), you can, at your discretion, adopt (or not) whatever religion you wish. You are, however, not allowed to "taint" your children with religion of your choice. Most of the religious people are religious by inertia and habit and observe only a subset of rules of a specific religion.

Also, all religious institutions should be run like a firm and taxed. Their income should come from donations and the like, NOT from the state. Tax payers should not be required to finance religion.

Also...couple things...global economy, emerging markets, scientific and technological developent "HURR DURR CAVEMENS" hah hahaha, Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.


Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4uySuFiCis


So i welcome our Mussize overlords since...thats obviusly what im doing.

Fuck it, I'm going out to booze with some Bosniaks.

Are you sure you didn't just come back? Posting drunk in the true spirit of the Holy Codex

 

[Morkar Left]

This whole thing isn't about muslims and quran. It's about the stupid thing to assume that blizzard putted a quran in their game that falls on the bottom to insult Islam. Just to think about something like that is just silly.

But maybe this is all just a trolling attempt from some random dude who just wants to know if he is capable to stress blizzard. Possible he isn't even a muslim.

 

[deus101]

This is, of course, assuming we want to further liberal democracy and civil rights.

!

Instead of moving away from religion altogether, banning indoctrination of children (e.g. baptism)

♪ ONE OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT LIKE THE OTHER!.... ♪

I didn't say ban religion outright (although that wouldn't be the worst idea ever), but ban indoctrination of children, a form of child abuse. I used baptism (at an early age, of course) as an example. When you reach the age to vote (whatever it is), you can, at your discretion, adopt (or not) whatever religion you wish. You are, however, not allowed to "taint" your children with religion of your choice. Most of the religious people are religious by inertia and habit and observe only a subset of rules of a specific religion.

Triffic presidence you sat there, what you teach your child and what activities you partake with them must be pre-approved by the "Church of self decleared "rationalists" Orthodox".

Unless the child grows stigmata then there is no justification for this.

Also, all religious institutions should be run like a firm and taxed. Their income should come from donations and the like, NOT from the state. Tax payers should not be required to finance religion.

Actually what you want is a state church, not a bunch of silly free churches with the chance that they go completely fundie.

Works for Norway ...... I just remembered I'm still registered as a protestant :D

Also...couple things...global economy, emerging markets, scientific and technological developent "HURR DURR CAVEMENS" hah hahaha, Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.


Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4uySuFiCis


So i welcome our Mussize overlords since...thats obviusly what im doing.

Fuck it, I'm going out to booze with some Bosniaks.

Are you sure you didn't just come back? Posting drunk in the true spirit of the Holy Codex

My wisdom is ten time greater when infused with the holy spirit of barley.

My point with the Bosniaks is that they are muslims, yet oddly enough play your silly "clash of the civilisation game"

Most of the shit we see today is extremely contemporary, its not even been 100 years since the decrepid Ottoman empire went to shit, barely 60 years since France and Brittain pulled out, ruled by years of mostly pan-arab dictators playing a popularity game in "who can hate the Israeli's more while giving a toss about the Palestinian"
Then! came the full retard of religious fundamentalist, driven by the Islamic revolution in Iran and some shitty missionaries getting oil money, and pushing a religious idenity developed because they wanted to be edgy and different then the Turks.

Its history boy, dont fall on the society decline hysteria bandwagon and create more shitty history.

Breivik did not grow up in a vacuum.

 

[deus101]

This whole thing isn't about muslims and quran. It's about the stupid thing to assume that blizzard putted a quran in their game that falls on the bottom to insult Islam. Just to think about something like that is just silly.

But maybe this is all just a trolling attempt from some random dude who just wants to know if he is capable to stress blizzard. Possible he isn't even a muslim.

 

[FeelTheRads]

This whole thing isn't about muslims and quran. It's about the stupid thing to assume that blizzard putted a quran in their game that falls on the bottom to insult Islam. Just to think about something like that is just silly.

But maybe this is all just a trolling attempt from some random dude who just wants to know if he is capable to stress blizzard. Possible he isn't even a muslim.

OMG it's Freddie Mercury.

 

[muslimgamer]

hey hey im back. I had a quick read through and you guys and girls are a fiery bunch aren't you. Ill work my way back through some questions now.

 

[muslimgamer]

Yeah thats why Fox news is Fox news, some news stories base their stuff on facts, others just "assume" and feed it to the masses as news and the masses slurp it up

Well, technically I said "this is probably a crime punishable by death", clearly indicating that I wasn't sure about it. I don't think interpreting this as "feeding it to the masses as a fact" seems reasonable. I hope you are privy to the nuances of human language with you being a muslim and all. But youa re right, the least I could have done was fact-checking my assumption with a local mosque bigwig as for which of the barbarian practices of punishment you muslims like to employ so dearly would apply in this case - if at all.

hmmm, im kind of lost on this one buddy?

So you agree its wrong and that you should fact check before presenting it as a news story. You are then also trying to say that you are too lazy to do any fact checking?

If you were writing an opinion piece id say no problem, say that 2+2=15, but if its news, then any person that would want an ounce of credibility to their "news" story might want to try and stick to facts. I guess its up to you and this site what they want to present as news.

 

[almondblight]

That would be an appropriately retarded thing to say.

Glad you think that it's retarded to blame all Germans for something a few (well...) did. Can you tell me how it's any different from blaming all muslims for something a few did?

"In the religion of peace (Islam) this is probably a crime punishable by death (much like getting raped will often lead to the poor girl in question getting stoned for "honour" reasons) so we can only imagine what dire consequences this whole situation has."

"But youa re right, the least I could have done was fact-checking my assumption with a local mosque bigwig as for which of the barbarian practices of punishment you muslims like to employ so dearly would apply in this case - if at all."

Or what, you bitch and moan when it's your people that are being trash talked, but don't mind posting news articles about it? Again, you can dish it out but can't take it?

Maybe you should say it.

Nah, I don't like saying stupid shit stereotypes about people. You do, so maybe you should try saying it. Oh wait, that would be saying shit about Germans and not Muslims - can't have that!

 

[muslimgamer]

As posters before me said - DEAL WITH IT. Muslims getting butthurt about everything connected to their religion is another sign of global degeneration. Believe in SCIENCE, not "gods" that don't give a flying fuck about you! This world sucks, human race deserves nothing but annihilation. We should leave this planet to worthwile creatures like rats or roaches. Fuck it all!

Hi Volken, Welcome to the thread!

I think everyone is kind of missing the point I am trying to make. I didnt make the post on the Blizzard forums. I just wrote an article about it. My question to anyone that read it was
"Should religion and games be kept apart?"
"If something like that is removed does it degrade a gamers gameplay?"

If you read any of my previous posts you would have also seen that i clearly said
"If blizzard kept it in the game, what can i do about it? nothing" I believe that is called dealing with it, no?

Whether it is kept there or not makes no difference to how i live my life. I just go to work the next day and play some game at night.

But if everyone here has a right to say what they want about me, my religion or my point of view, then I guess its only fair that I am allowed to express mine is it not? Or do rights and freedom of expression only go one way?

You and everyone else here who would like to have a level where Muslims are piled up so you can burn them with an ability for over 9000 are free to email Blizzard and request that. So is no one else allowed to email Blizzard and ask for the opposite?

Think of a request to remove a perceived\realistic similarity the same as someone who says I don't like this levels bookshelf because the texture used for the cedar for that bookshelf is clearly not the right one and Diablo does not approve.

I am dealing with it buddy, what ever happens, the question is, ARE YOU?

 

[Shadi]

true muslims can't play computer games or even use a computer because it has drawings & pictures of living people/animals or even imaginary creatures (even worse). these things were strictly forbidden by the prophet.