Game News Diablo III Muslim Controversy

[Derper]

As posters before me said - DEAL WITH IT. Muslims getting butthurt about everything connected to their religion is another sign of global degeneration. Believe in SCIENCE, not "gods" that don't give a flying fuck about you! This world sucks, human race deserves nothing but annihilation. We should leave this planet to worthwile creatures like rats or roaches. Fuck it all!

Hi Volken, Welcome to the thread!

I think everyone is kind of missing the point I am trying to make. I didnt make the post on the Blizzard forums. I just wrote an article about it. My question to anyone that read it was
"Should religion and games be kept apart?"
"If something like that is removed does it degrade a gamers gameplay?"

If you read any of my previous posts you would have also seen that i clearly said
"If blizzard kept it in the game, what can i do about it? nothing" I believe that is called dealing with it, no?

Whether it is kept there or not makes no difference to how i live my life. I just go to work the next day and play some game at night.

But if everyone here has a right to say what they want about me, my religion or my point of view, then I guess its only fair that I am allowed to express mine is it not? Or do rights and freedom of expression only go one way?

No, of course not, they go both ways, people are just saying the contents of your expressed point of view is dumb and girly.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Holy penis. 7 pages in a day.

Excellent choice for a thread title, VoD :violin: :violin:

 

[DarkUnderlord]

I don't get it. First thing I did was hit Quran on Wikipedia - the font of all knowledge - and the image they use is this one:

In fact that image is used on pretty much every single page related to the Quran. And yet it looks nothing like the apparent book used in Diablo III.

A simple google image search on "The Holy Quran" brought up hundreds of different variations of covers for the Quran. Are they all off limits? Based on some of those designs, Blizzard couldn't even use a simple green coloured book.

Methinks someone grew up with their copy of the Quran with that design on it, saw the book in Diablo III and drew a mighty long bow. Be interesting to know what that design is called and where else it's used. I wouldn't be surprised to find it on wallpaper or carpet or something. I wonder if that's offensive...

 

[waywardOne]

Evangelicals are, without exception and across every religion, dumbfucks.

 

[CrazyLoon]

It's just a book cover.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

hmmm, im kind of lost on this one buddy?

So you agree its wrong and that you should fact check before presenting it as a news story. You are then also trying to say that you are too lazy to do any fact checking?

So much for understanding the subtleties of language, eh pal? It's called sarcasm. I do, in fact, not believe that I have to fact-check anything before posting news mocking your stupid request or mocking you for being a muslim in whatever way I like. Even if I do it in a way that might be offensive (and we both know it is, right?) to muslims somehow, somewhere. I think DarkUnderlord's post above shows very well how idiotic your complaint actually is. Not that I want to prevent you from complaining about the most trivial of non-issues as being "offending" to Islam. I do not intend to take away your freedom of speech like some idiotic wanker here liked to claim. Those valuable freedoms are very important to me, as they are for you especially considering that in the different muslimtopias on this planet such freedoms don't exist.

You seem like a pretty reasonable guy though, and it warms my heart that somewhere on this earth pony-loving, goat-hugging muslims live as normal human beings and don't stone/rape/suicide-bomb/[insert atrocity here] because their "scholar" hasn't told them yet.

Here's a bonus to show you my appreciation:

Here's Khomeini's instructions on sex with animals:

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

That's what I love about muslim scholars.They really do their best to guide the muslim's life.

If you were writing an opinion piece id say no problem, say that 2+2=15, but if its news, then any person that would want an ounce of credibility to their "news" story might want to try and stick to facts. I guess its up to you and this site what they want to present as news.

No, I can also include my opinion (or a joke/mockery) into a newsitem. I don't do that often, but every now and then I feel like it. Another thing people need to learn to deal with.

 

[DwarvenFood]

About leaving religion out of games:

Fantasy-setting games have always had crossover influences derived from our world history. See the desert Empire of Calimshan in D&D/ Forgotten Realms. Araby in the original Warhammer universe. It adds a lot to immersion (larp) if you are able to identify with a world, setting, characters. I would not have it changed in the slightest.

This case is of course crazy, why would there not be books relevant to the subject inside a cathedral, fantasy setting or not ? Why is mixing fantasy with earth history "wrong" ? It only makes the setting more interesting. See the game Lionheart. Barcelona area was amazing. Would not be so without the "historical" characters presented.

 

[Morkar Left]

YES I wanted to ask 2 questions with the article.
"do you think religious icons\symbols that are used in this world should not be included in a game or kept?"
"Would your game play change if the texture was changed, if so how?"

"do you think religious icons\symbols that are used in this world should not be included in a game or kept?"
I think they can be included in a game for example if the game takes place in a historical or semi-historical setting of our history. As far as I know there is no real-life icon/symbol in Diablo 3. If it is, you can be sure it has no resemblance to real world religion. It's just an expression of art like the christian cross was highly popular a few years ago and every hipster was wearing it. Or Skulls for every metaller/emo/toughguy. Again, it's silly to assume that it was intentional from blizzard and feeling offended about it is silly because it only has a vague resemblence of some quran books.

"Would your game play change if the texture was changed, if so how?"
No, not in this particular case. But it would harm my gameplay experience in a longterm because blizzard and other compnies would have to deal with every nonsense some troll or easily offended guy would come up. There would be time and resources spent of dealing with such nonsense and probably influence and change every gameplay that could or could not offend someone in some way or another. It would hinder gamedevelopment like extreme religion hinders science.

Now, that I answered your question Muslimgamer I have a question for you:
Do you feel offended by this book in d3 and would you have written a letter to blizzard to get it removed?

EDIT: working and posting on the codex is stressful...

 

[BonziBUDDY]

VentilatorofDoom, Andhaira just pm'd me and asked me to tell you to:

"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLE!"

Oh and you suck at posting the news.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

VentilatorofDoom, Andhaira just pm'd me and asked me to tell you to:

"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLE!"

Oh and you suck at posting the news.

And here I thought AndhairaX and I were friends. I'm just getting an overwhelming urge to shove someone into a furnace. And no muslims in sight, damn it. Nevermind there's a catholic, this will do.

 

[Sacculina]

I don't get it. First thing I did was hit Quran on Wikipedia - the font of all knowledge - and the image they use is this one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _cover.jpg
In fact that image is used on pretty much every single page related to the Quran. And yet it looks nothing like the apparent book used in Diablo III.

http://muslimgamer.com/chest/2011/10/di ... 60x315.jpg

A simple google image search on "The Holy Quran" brought up hundreds of different variations of covers for the Quran. Are they all off limits? Based on some of those designs, Blizzard couldn't even use a simple green coloured book.

Methinks someone grew up with their copy of the Quran with that design on it, saw the book in Diablo III and drew a mighty long bow. Be interesting to know what that design is called and where else it's used. I wouldn't be surprised to find it on wallpaper or carpet or something. I wonder if that's offensive...

I didn't realize just how incredibly petty and ridiculous this whole business is. These twats even had usually intelligent posters like sea come to their defence. If anything, its the Blizzard forum poster and muslimgamer who should apologize (at least to their non-retarded Muslim brethren) for their stupidity.

FFS, I have a shelf full of an old series of books that look much the same, and none of them have anything to do with the Quran.

 

[yellowcake]

I don't get it. First thing I did was hit Quran on Wikipedia - the font of all knowledge - and the image they use is this one:

In fact that image is used on pretty much every single page related to the Quran. And yet it looks nothing like the apparent book used in Diablo III.

A simple google image search on "The Holy Quran" brought up hundreds of different variations of covers for the Quran. Are they all off limits? Based on some of those designs, Blizzard couldn't even use a simple green coloured book.

Methinks someone grew up with their copy of the Quran with that design on it, saw the book in Diablo III and drew a mighty long bow. Be interesting to know what that design is called and where else it's used. I wouldn't be surprised to find it on wallpaper or carpet or something. I wonder if that's offensive...

The book from Diablo is covered in arabesque ornament. It is an abstract ornament developed because muslims were/are forbidden of creating representations of things but still like things to look nice and well, ornate, and the only way for them to achieve this and not violate their religious laws was to use abstract stuff.

So I assume Blizzard intention in using this texture was to imply it's an arabic book (it also looks like it reads from righ to left or that it sits back-up), probably by some middle ages arabic mystic or scholar on demonology, which would suit setting well. I doubt they intended to suggest it's quran but they almost certainly intended arabic association.

EDIT: Besides, Middle Ages monasteries were full of arabic books, many of them being only copies of antique scriptures, originals being destroyed by zealous early christians (Il nome della rosa, anybody). As the level in picture is called the cathedral I'd say it fits the setting p. well.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

That... wasn't an alt?

 

[laclongquan]

Talk about making mountains out of a single mole hill! Muslims are just too tender and sensitive.

When is it NOT a controversy with these assholes? I'm all for tolerance and shit but seriously fuck 'em.

And Andy, whatever happened to your horsiness?

An unicorn like virginal young girls is just normal fairy tale.

An old man like jailbaits is an old pedo bear.

 

[Jack]

Five star troll, that muslimgamer.

 

[villain of the story]

Lets make this gamer relative. Would you want the Source code of the Valve’s Original Half Life to be printed on toilet paper!

FFS who gives a fuck? I mean, HL source code... WTF kind of comparison is that? The lengths this muslim is going at to vindicate his intolerant hyperinterpretations is so fucking disturbing.

What is more disturbing is how easy and comfortably he seems to integrate on a higher level. Take this comment from the blog:

Even the lack of games where Americans soldiers are shown to be killed or treated in a similar fashion to how Russians\Chinese\Arabs are portrayed in games also shows there is an invisible line that is not crossed by developers when it comes to certain subjects.

Which I agree with, that it's a very valid point but then he can also spew the kind of subversive intolerant bullshit at the same time and "demand" some kind of "retribution"... FFS, we might as well hand him an AK47 or a hand grenade. And all this over a "perceived" "resemblance", whatever the fuck that could be since Quran doesn't have an "official" symbol to be printed on its covers like Bible and the cross and that kind of oriental ornamentations on books jackets fucking predates islam itself. This is nothing but abusive and exploitative self-entitlement where an ignorant illiterate asshole thinks he can assert what others are entitled to do and not do. How typical of muslims.

And when I think about it now, it's even more infuriating that these assholes are so unaccepting of any possible context where Quran or any other holy or sacred book or thing can be depicted in such a way. These people simply have no concept of context. Now if that book in D3 was clearly meant to be Quran, I do think that it would be a problem, especially if it was singled out but that's beside the point. If there were to be a movie about muslims being wrongly oppressed, discriminated and subjected to violence, the likes of the author would still bitch about the bad guys throwing the Quran to the ground while raiding a muslim family's residence. There can simply be no acceptable depiction in any context. Likewise with the facial depiction of Muhammed. Or a hundred other things.

"This isn’t about Muslims wanting to impose their beliefs on others. " Yeah right. You are so high on your horse and so ignorant and illiterate, you don't even seem to consider the possibility that that is just what you are doing.

 

[villain of the story]

Also what DU said.

By the way, here are some carpet images, the first and the fourth results of Google-Imaging for "carpet"

http://foumanco.startlogic.com/Products ... ign_78.JPG

R00fles!

The really amusing thing is how this piece of shit must be under the impression that he's such a moderate and progressive muslim, being a gamer and "respectfully" interacting and socialising with non-muslims and all. And yet, the truth speaks for itself. He's so full of himself, his vindication and happily rolling about in his own puddle of ignorance, he doesn't notice he's actually one of those muslims who give islam a bad name.

Yeah dude, you, in all your civilised manner of conduct, are demonstrating the stereotypical image of the rabid and intolerant mentality of muslims to a T. Some do it with hateful protests. Some do it with violence. And some, like yourself, do it with covert assertation. And I know there are muslims who'd look at you and give a worried sigh at your uppity attitude.

And also typical of rabid muslims, you chose to go away instead of taking in the valid criticism, however vitriolic, and chose to slander those that you disagree with as "trolls" instead of facing the possibility that you might be wrong. How does that fit with any part of islam, now? See, it's partially the cowards like you that makes the rest of us so vitriolic towards you.

edit: does anybody else cringe when they see muslims talking in English (or other, non-islam-oriented languages) and using Arabic words like "inshallah" when there are perfectly fine synonyms in the language they are speaking? Annoys the shit out of me. It sounds more like a cult of culture than anything. And islam *is* a culture, not just a religion.

 

[mondblut]

Killing Bobby Kotick in the name of Allah is the only answer, comrade muslim!

 

[Zarniwoop]

Hahaha, successful troll is successful. I must say, this is more creative than just making AndhairaMCMXXII again and inane-ing everyone to death in GD.

 

[FlyingRibcage]

I need to confess. I am the real muslimgamer. Blizzard has been warned. I give 24 hours to change the texture, or I drop a nuclear bomb on top of Blizzard Headquarters.

 

[deus101]

Triffic presidence you sat there, what you teach your child and what activities you partake with them must be pre-approved by the "Church of self decleared "rationalists" Orthodox".

Unless the child grows stigmata then there is no justification for this.

So smacking your kid is cool, no one should come between you and your child? A little man-child love is fine, as long as it's in good fun? There are a ton of norms the society (or the state if you want) imposes on individuals, but god FSM forbid someone interferes in some sect/religion.

Actually what you want is a state church, not a bunch of silly free churches with the chance that they go completely fundie.

Works for Norway ...... I just remembered I'm still registered as a protestant :D

Are you even literate? You may think that using drinking as a free pass to writing idiotic shit is clever, but it just makes you a drunk retard. So wanting to tax "churches" and cut state funding = "state church"?

My wisdom is ten time greater when infused with the holy spirit of barley.

My point with the Bosniaks is that they are muslims, yet oddly enough play your silly "clash of the civilisation game"

Most of the shit we see today is extremely contemporary, its not even been 100 years since the decrepid Ottoman empire went to shit, barely 60 years since France and Brittain pulled out, ruled by years of mostly pan-arab dictators playing a popularity game in "who can hate the Israeli's more while giving a toss about the Palestinian"
Then! came the full retard of religious fundamentalist, driven by the Islamic revolution in Iran and some shitty missionaries getting oil money, and pushing a religious idenity developed because they wanted to be edgy and different then the Turks.

Your wisdom may be grater when drunk, but it's not that great in absolute terms. Actually most of what you wrote makes no sense or is not directly relevant to the subject. I am familiar with the recent (and not so recent) history of Islam. I just don't care they are butthurt about some random shit. I'm not advocating purposely trolling them, just not letting them dictate what we do. I'm all for tolerance and mutual respect and peaceful coexistence... Translated from bullshit into succinct, literal law (commandments, if you will): obey our (secular) laws above your laws, our norms before your norms, learn our language, keep your heritage, but gradually integrate into the society and contribute. Is that such a radical position to take? That might sound "harsh", but it's only holding them to standards most people adhere to anyway. When in Rome do as the Romans do or GTFO.

How would you behave in Teheran? Bottle of vodka in one hand, strip of bacon in the other, hefty gold cross around your neck, wearing a T-shirt with Mohammed illustration (the one with the bomb in his turban)? I think some discretion would be a prudent choice. But that's just me. Maybe you could pull it off, drinking with Bosniaks and all...

Let's just leave Bosniaks out of further discussion, because I don't think you know the first thing about the situation there and I don't feel like digressing into pointless history lessons. I wrote a tl;dr post on this and "clash of civilizations" (it's between West and East, East being China and allies, Islam world = not really a civilization anymore + mostly USA's bitch, IMO), but I don't think this is the place nor are you the person to discuss this with.

Its history boy, dont fall on the society decline hysteria bandwagon and create more shitty history.

Breivik did not grow up in a vacuum.

What society decline hysteria? Quote me plz. I think Brevik motives are not what they seem and that he's just jumping on the hate bandwagon, but if anything the massacre was a reaction to all the bullshit Muslims are allowed in Norway. One could say they were throwing pearls before the swines (not familiar with situation, will leave it to the Vikings to comment if needed).

Also nicely illustrates my point about religion. Fanaticism is a dangerous thing, especially when you are taught from childhood that your belief is the only right one and that only members of your religion get to go to heaven (plus there is the constant threat of goin to hell). It can have a profound influence on childs psychology (not an expert, just IMO). Add to that base the fact that the lord of all creation rewards you for killing infidels and you have a problem. Fanatics are easy to manipulate and use for devious ends. There are nuts all over the place, religion just gives them a nudge to act and a great way to justify their actions.

As someone mentioned, you could take Codex (or at least some members) as fanatically devoted to TB RPGs. Would they ever think about killing the infidels that convert their TB RPGs into FPS games, threaten to firebomb Bethesda's building or... Errr... maybe not the best example. Note to self: think of a devious plan and contact Jaesun to assemble a squad of TB templar hitmen.

Ok in regards tot he teach the west. Id recommend finding out why a lot of the stars are called what they are today, check up some stuff on algebra too, you might learn a few things.

I did not say Islamic world NEVER had anything to teach or NEVER HAS taught the West. It has been answered in previous posts. I'll just add that it is a truly sad state of affairs that once leading scientific civilization, situated in prime location for trade, building on great ancient civilizations, with huge potential to be reduced to a bunch of savages, whose only value to the world is oil under the land they live on (and you know how volatile that can be). That's your biggest problem, living in the past. I'm not saying it was (exclusively) your fault. If anything Europe is to blame, as in most cases. Although from my perspective, a job well done (I like my dick non-mutilated and enjoy eating pork among other things). The Native Americans were cool, we could have learned a thing or two from them, but nowadays they are just giving tips about poker

Also, let's not forget that your (former) civilization was based on conquest and ruthless expansion. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

In regards to principle, Im curious as to what principle that is exactly? Is is the right to expressing ones view?

Expressing ones view by threatening to kill people and then killing people? Causing riots because of a drawing? I don't care if it's Mohammed being depicted as a fag being buttfucked by some other prophet while pissing on Quran, you dare to kill someone over that, there should have been a fucking witch hunt for all of those who even remotely condone such acts. Think 1950 and commies in USA. Luckily for Muslims, the Danes are, sadly, docile and civilized people.

By giving in to your (and similar) small, insignificant, trivial, easily rectified and wholly retarded "polite request", we are just giving you more room to grow with your demands. And I think that's not a good course of action. Is your curiosity satisfied?

Do you think that corporate execs really give 2 hoots about you or me? Your a dollar sign just like me, nothing more nothing less.

Actually that's not entirely correct. When they look at you they see a dollar sign, when they look at me they see a small dollar sign with potential to grow, but when they look at a billion and a half of your brothers in faith, they see nothing. They are nothing to them, they are just in the way, potential collateral damage. And that's what should bother you and what you should aim to rectify. And you won't do it by bitching about random, inconsequential shit. Although, I guess it's already too late, so you might as well

fuckit i cant be botherd....the answers to all your questions is NO (answer you later)

 

[Mastermind]

I need to confess. I am the real muslimgamer. Blizzard has been warned. I give 24 hours to change the texture, or I drop a nuclear bomb on top of Blizzard Headquarters.

Can you do it anyway even if they don't change the texture?

 

[opium fiend]

First The Witcher 2

I didn't read all 9 pages of this so it could already have been answered but what was anti-Allah in witcher 2?

 

[Drakron]

I didn't read all 9 pages of this so it could already have been answered but what was anti-Allah in witcher 2?

They used prayer carpet as the textures in some carpets that were in a whorehouse.

 

[villain of the story]

Except it was just oriental carpet textures but, not particularly a prayer carpet.