Incline Disco Elysium - The Final Cut - a hardboiled cop show isometric RPG

[Jenkem]

 

[Alpan]

I'm glad they were conscious enough to depict communism like that, but still I really wished they'd address politics seriously and actually have people take a step back and look at the whole picture, as the sad truth would certainly be unacceptable for the modern revisionist, leftist media.

I thought the game did a pretty okay job pointing the outlines of the whole picture, which is that politics does not admit the existence of utopias, be them communist, socialist, Nazi, liberal, centrist, or anything else. It only provides momentary relief to recurring sicknesses of the human animal; there is no cure. You can pick one school and adopt it, but that only makes a believer out of you; it doesn't change the fact that there is no cure.

Prime Junta is only amusing because his dirty communist secret is actually a common delusion, readily visible to less invested outsiders. If he's serious about what he's written -- I have my doubts -- his avatar should be that of The Deserter, as he is in the process of turning into an emasculated version of that.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Anybody's read the book the game's writer wrote? It's supposed to be in the same universe? Any good?

 

[Van-d-all]

I thought the game did a pretty okay job pointing the outlines of the whole picture, which is that politics do not admit the existence of utopias, be them communist, socialist, Nazi, liberal, centrist, or anything else. It only provides momentary relief to recurring sicknesses of the human animal; there is no cure. You can pick one school and adopt it, but that only makes a believer out of you; it doesn't change the fact that there is no cure.

But the obviously frivolous tone about politics gave ZA/UM plausible deniability, and thus, despite having some major themes mentioned, it just sparked no media outrage I was hoping for.

 

[Prime Junta]

Anybody's read the book the game's writer wrote? It's supposed to be in the same universe? Any good?

It's in Estonian only. I have the PDF but sadly I don't speak Estonian and can only make out a phrase here, a word there with Finnish. It is set in the same universe, but not in Revachol. luinthoron ?

 

[Alpan]

But the obviously frivolous tone about politics gave ZA/UM plausible deniability, and thus, despite having some major themes mentioned, it just sparked no media outrage I was hoping for.

Yes, ZA/UM is quite neutral in DE. But even if they had been more explicit in their position the media outrage racket is an incestuous one, and no party interested in sparking such outrage actually knows about the bunch of Estonian artists and writers ZA/UM is comprised of. The developers are a bunch of unknowns, randoms. So really, it wouldn't be worth anybody's effort compared to, say, putting Obsidian on the spot for ignoring race in The Outer Worlds.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

It's in Estonian only. I have the PDF but sadly I don't speak Estonian and can only make out a phrase here, a word there with Finnish. It is set in the same universe, but not in Revachol. luinthoron ?

Well hopefully they translate it. And release the soundtrack while they are at it. One of my favorite thing about DE is that it's primarily written by a woman. Goes to show western vapidity in writing is a "valley girl" problem and not a "girl" problem.

 

[Terenty]

Well hopefully they translate it. And release the soundtrack while they are at it. One of my favorite thing about DE is that it's primarily written by a woman. Goes to show western vapidity in writing is a "valley girl" problem and not a "girl" problem.

I thought it was written by 8 ppl and the main writer is Robert Kurwitz?

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I thought it was written by 8 ppl and the main writer is Robert Kurwitz?

hmm. my memory may be a bit hazy, but i though i saw an interview with RPS that said "most of it was written" by a woman.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

I thought it was written by 8 ppl and the main writer is Robert Kurwitz?

hmm. my memory may be a bit hazy, but i though i saw an interview with RPS that said "most of it was written" by a woman.

Robert is common Estonian female name.

Aren't they beautiful?

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I thought it was written by 8 ppl and the main writer is Robert Kurwitz?

hmm. my memory may be a bit hazy, but i though i saw an interview with RPS that said "most of it was written" by a woman.

Robert is common Estonian female name.

It was a video interview with an actual woman, unless Estonian transexuals are just that convincing.

 

[Prime Junta]

hmm. my memory may be a bit hazy, but i though i saw an interview with RPS that said "most of it was written" by a woman.

Helen Hindpere wrote a fair chunk of it. Robert is the lead though.

One of the remarkable things about it is how well it coheres. I really can't tell who wrote what.

It was a video interview with an actual woman, unless Estonian transexuals are just that convincing.

Robert is a veteran DM. He's really good with the voices.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

hmm. my memory may be a bit hazy, but i though i saw an interview with RPS that said "most of it was written" by a woman.

Helen Hindpere wrote a fair chunk of it. Robert is the lead though.

One of the remarkable things about it is how well it coheres. I really can't tell who wrote what.

Yeah there you go. In that interview I remember the lead praising her for being the "best writer" as well.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Unpopular opinion: I don't get what's so great about the soundtrack. The only track I can remember is the one that plays when you exit the Whirling, and that's only because it's a really simple melody playing with zero accompaniment. Maybe if I were into electronic music, or "soundscapes" or whatever, or if I bothered to really sit down and listen to it, but as it is it was all anonymous background noise to me. Fits the mood decently, I suppose, but to really be memorable a soundtrack for an isometric slow-paced RPG like this needs a bit more character.

 

[Prime Junta]

Unpopular opinion: I don't get what's so great about the soundtrack. The only track I can remember is the one that plays when you exit the Whirling, and that's only because it's a really simple melody playing with zero accompaniment. Maybe if I were into electronic music, or "soundscapes" or whatever, or if I bothered to really sit down and listen to it, but as it is it was all anonymous background noise to me. Fits the mood decently, I suppose, but to really be memorable a soundtrack for an isometric slow-paced RPG like this needs a bit more character.

No arguing about taste.

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You can argue about level of taste however.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Unpopular opinion: I don't get what's so great about the soundtrack. The only track I can remember is the one that plays when you exit the Whirling, and that's only because it's a really simple melody playing with zero accompaniment. Maybe if I were into electronic music, or "soundscapes" or whatever, or if I bothered to really sit down and listen to it, but as it is it was all anonymous background noise to me. Fits the mood decently, I suppose, but to really be memorable a soundtrack for an isometric slow-paced RPG like this needs a bit more character.

I judge music by how frequently it sends shivers down my spine. It happens very often with DE's.

 

[Van-d-all]

I don't get what's so great about the soundtrack.

It's nicely nuanced. The main Martianese theme seems ghastly reminiscent of bygone glory. The seemingly unimportant disco tune in the Whirling radio. The mechanic murmur in the harbor. The tribal drumming when you talk to Measurehead... It just "fits", but maybe I'm too much into ambient soundscapes as you said.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

I don't get what's so great about the soundtrack.

It's nicely nuanced. The main Martianese theme seems ghastly reminiscent of bygone glory. The seemingly unimportant disco tune in the Whirling radio. The mechanic murmur in the harbor. The tribal drumming when you talk to Measurehead... It just "fits", but maybe I'm too much into ambient soundscapes as you said.

stop talking about videogame in politics thread

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I'm offended that in a game about finding a place to sleep, you cannot weasel your way into anybody's pants just so you have somewhere to sleep for the night.

 

[MasPingon]

Unpopular opinion: I don't get what's so great about the soundtrack.

I think it's not The Witcher kind of music, which is fine by it's own. Music in DE is more like Fallout\PST - it ilustrates the theme \ the feels of a specific place or a character. It's more subtle - the kind of ost where you close your eyes and can remember exactly how did you feel about the character you were talking to or situation you were put into. I like it.

 

[Belegarsson]

I'm offended that in a game about finding a place to sleep, you cannot weasel your way into anybody's pants just so you have somewhere to sleep for the night.

I too want this game to have "Romance" tag on Steam store page.

 

[Prime Junta]

Another 10/10 review.

https://www.jumpdashroll.com/article/disco-elysium-review

This is one of the most refreshing, exciting and downright enjoyable RPGs to be released in years. It offers a wealth of content (well over 40 hours for my playthrough), sublime roleplaying, and the potential for hugely different playthroughs depending on your character build. It’s simply remarkable that this is the studio’s very first title, especially since it’s a strong contender for game of the year. It might have a glimmer of Black Isle’s beloved template in its design and execution, but it has layered far more interesting ideas, mechanics and secrets on top. That the richness of its experience comes from mere words feels like an anomaly in the age of mindless violence, instant gratification and blasts of dopamine.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Another 10/10 review.

https://www.jumpdashroll.com/article/disco-elysium-review

This is one of the most refreshing, exciting and downright enjoyable RPGs to be released in years. It offers a wealth of content (well over 40 hours for my playthrough), sublime roleplaying, and the potential for hugely different playthroughs depending on your character build. It’s simply remarkable that this is the studio’s very first title, especially since it’s a strong contender for game of the year. It might have a glimmer of Black Isle’s beloved template in its design and execution, but it has layered far more interesting ideas, mechanics and secrets on top. That the richness of its experience comes from mere words feels like an anomaly in the age of mindless violence, instant gratification and blasts of dopamine.

Come on, I want to read smart "0/10" review, if there are any.

Like my favourite Pitchfork one https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/1043-weird-revolution/

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

LET GO

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Dead Money

 

[Ensi]

this game is amazing. I put all my stats into intelligence/emotion stuff and then had a heart attack trying to get my tie off the ceiling fan and had to start over. Touche. Spreading my points slightly more evenly now.