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Divinity Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition

Discussion in 'Larian Studios' started by Lacrymas, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

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    A very good point.
     
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  2. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Well, it did in mine - both co-op non-EE and solo-EE

    And yeah the initiative system is hella dumb
     
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  3. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    RPG Wokedex Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    http://www.gamebanshee.com/news/119664-divinity-original-sin-ii-reviews.html


     
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  4. Renevent Arbiter

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    The most idiotic and frustrating instance of dumb AI I saw was during the fight where you save the Sorcerer from being hanged in the mines area. I wanted to keep him alive but his AI was just braindead and he was determined to kill himself. Constantly running through fire to attack an enemy even though there was one right next to him. Running through fire to attack an enemy, then running back to attack one next to him. He did this every single round too...I spent more AP healing and buffing him just trying to keep him alive then I spent actually fighting monsters lol.
     
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  5. Darth Roxor Prestigious Gentleman Wielder of the Huegpenis

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    BTW, Rupture Tendons is a hilarious skill for reasons more than one:

    1. You can cast through armour.
    2. The damage goes through armour straight into HP.
    3. It also does damage for distance travelled when the enemy teleports :lol:

    My coop bro used it on some rainjerk enemy at full hp, who then used tactical retreat... and died upon landing :lol:
     
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  6. jarmaro Arbiter

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    Hyped game gets amazing reviews, what a surprise. Why didn't they call it GOTY already.
     
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  7. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Not only amazing reviews, but reviews which see no faults at all, except minor bugs or ridiculous personal preferences like different key bindings. Some numerical ratings don't correspond to the written review, like the 4/5 one.
     
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  8. GrainWetski Arcane

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    The initiative system is dumb, yeah. Outside of wanting the absolute first turn in combat, there's no reason to go more than 13-12-11-10 in wits(well, initiative) on your characters.

    At least it's a turn-based RPG getting good reviews instead of some generic action trash.
     
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  9. Israfael Arcane

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    Polymorph + this would be awesome
     
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  10. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    This is what pisses me off the most. I love the game, but people that pretend that it has no issues just to follow along with the hype or lick developer butthole deserves to be gassed. D:OS2 has some very real issues, the discussion of which are being buried by people that should be on ventilators in case they forget to breathe.
    Oh, man, that's just fucking broken. I cannot imagine that it's anything other than a bug. Let's just pretend that him landing from that tactical retreat hurt a lot. You shouldn't run with a ruptured tendon - imagine what your doctor would tell you if you took fucking leaps.

    It's also hilarious that you can cut tendons through armor, but you can't swear at the enemy and call 'em cunts.
     
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  11. Ruzen Savant

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    ...but No Mans Sky received 10 more times hype
     
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  12. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Yes, but it also got massive shit right on release. Gaming Jews may be delusional opportunists that doesn't know jack shit about what they're writing about, eagerly jumping on any band-wagon for attention, but even they would have to be functionally retarded to praise No Mans Sky.
     
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  13. Ruzen Savant

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    That's what I'm trying to say even though games getting hyped at the start, the reviews still could go both ways. Even you are saying the same thing. People saw how BS that game was and received negative reviews despite how hyped it was.
     
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  14. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    Guys don't forget that 90% of the issues we notice are meta-gaming issues that the average player won't care about. We must never forget that we are nerds in here.

    I bet that for example most people won't give a flying fuck about the initiative system. Some dude in the Larian forums even said that it's good because "it's fair" as if my PC would feel sad if I treat it unfairly or something

    *Also if Dragon Age : Inquisition has an 85 metascore from reviewers D:OS2 should have approximately 123, so I'm fine with the super reviews
     
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  15. Lahey Laheyist Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    "There are no bad tactics, only bad targets" - Taylor Swift.

    These reviews are terrible and betray their writer's complete ignorance, regardless of how happy you may be to see success for Larian (I am as well, to be clear). The pcgamesn title dubbed it the "best strategy game since Xcom". I don't see how this kind of reception is good for crpgs.
    "BUT IT'S LARIAN'S TURN!1!1!$%"

    The rising tide may raise all ships, but who wants to sail in an ocean of shit?
    I don't think there's any danger of that.
     
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  16. Ventidius Savant

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    I generally don't mind the AI cheating in strategy and tactics games, at least to an extent. I don't even mind it cheating in combat-oriented RPGs for the sake of more challenge.

    Most of the time some form of asymmetry is the only realistic way single-player tactical games can force the player to use the breadth of his toolset.

    That said, what they appear(still not sure of how it exactly works under the hood) to have done with the initiative system seems not to have been thought through so far. It is one thing to give the AI a fighting chance and another to extirpate an entire possibility from the tactical ecosystem; which is what they have done by taking an approach that doesn't allow for the combat role of Initiative-oriented Wits-based characters that focus on speed. Eliminating the usefulness of builds is not only a flaw of the character system, but also impoverishes combat by limiting the amount of combat roles, the absolute nadir being, of course, the infamous tank-dps-healer trinity from MMOs.

    Also, too much asymmetry also runs the risk of making aspects of the ruleset unintelligible, and in RPGs it can also result in builds that look viable on paper not playing out properly due to the inconsistencies. The initiative system here seems to be a good example of both those issues. I feel for the bros that wasted points in Wits early game.

    This is by far the biggest flaw of the combat system IMO, and I hope Larian addresses it in a future patch. But that would require a major rebalancing, so I would not be too optimistic about that prospect.
     
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  17. jarmaro Arbiter

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    Nah, I know D:OS 2 gets all the 9 and 10 beceause it's GOOD. Good is enough these days to be considered perfection, second coming of Christ.
    Or maybe it always was. Who would dare to say AAA game is good and then rate it 7-7,5? I don't really balme them... except I do. They made this 'toxic' community.
    They were the ones to inflate ratings in the first place, they should repair it. Game reviewers should really reach any consensus and balance the reviews.

    The saddest thing is, that Larian really thinks they made perfect game. Oh, they understand flawes, but flaws are meaningless to them.
    At this point reviewers and general mainstream serve them as Yes-Men and will praise anything they do.
     
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  18. Lacrymas Arcane

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    This is what I fear most, as well. Larian taking mainstream reviews at face value and start thinking they are perfect virtuous flower children who can do no wrong or don't need to listen to 'those people' who "criticize" the obviously perfect end result. Or they do recognize the critiques as justified, but don't do anything about it because they get 10/10s from mainstream reviews anyway.
     
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  19. undecaf Arcane Patron

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    Swen doesn't really sound like that to me. But who knows, popularity can be a powerful drug.
     
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    The most important question. Is it better than original sin?
     
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  21. jarmaro Arbiter

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  22. dragonul09 Arcane Edgy

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    Stealing in this game is too damn easy,almost ruins the game for me,but the tempation to steal dem shiny armor plates and beautifully ornated staffs are too damn high.

    Just can't help myself:negative:
     
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  23. Kem0sabe Arcane

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    Have they fixed the quest related issues? where can one check some form of organized patch notes for all the udpates they have released so far?
     
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  24. dragonul09 Arcane Edgy

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    They have released only 2 mini-patches so far and they only fixed some minor bugs like missing text and one critical bug that corrupted save-games.

    Nothing important so far

    You can read patch-notes here
    http://divinityoriginalsin2.wiki.fextralife.com/Patch+Notes
     
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  25. Niklasgunner Learned

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    Want me to ruin it even more for you? You can steal from a trader 4 times by just respeccing your characters, endlessly if you bother hiring mercenaries.

    They should have let you rob an NPC once per party, not once per character.
     
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