Divinity Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition

[Lacrymas]

Not only amazing reviews, but reviews which see no faults at all, except minor bugs or ridiculous personal preferences like different key bindings. Some numerical ratings don't correspond to the written review, like the 4/5 one.

 

[GrainWetski]

The initiative system is dumb, yeah. Outside of wanting the absolute first turn in combat, there's no reason to go more than 13-12-11-10 in wits(well, initiative) on your characters.

Hyped game gets amazing reviews, what a surprise. Why didn't they call it GOTY already.

At least it's a turn-based RPG getting good reviews instead of some generic action trash.

 

[Israfael]

and died upon landing

Polymorph + this would be awesome

 

[Luckmann]

Not only amazing reviews, but reviews which see no faults at all, except minor bugs or ridiculous personal preferences like different key bindings. Some numerical ratings don't correspond to the written review, like the 4/5 one.

This is what pisses me off the most. I love the game, but people that pretend that it has no issues just to follow along with the hype or lick developer butthole deserves to be gassed. D:OS2 has some very real issues, the discussion of which are being buried by people that should be on ventilators in case they forget to breathe.

BTW, Rupture Tendons is a hilarious skill for reasons more than one:

1. You can cast through armour.
2. The damage goes through armour straight into HP.
3. It also does damage for distance travelled when the enemy teleports

My coop bro used it on some rainjerk enemy at full hp, who then used tactical retreat... and died upon landing

Oh, man, that's just fucking broken. I cannot imagine that it's anything other than a bug. Let's just pretend that him landing from that tactical retreat hurt a lot. You shouldn't run with a ruptured tendon - imagine what your doctor would tell you if you took fucking leaps.

It's also hilarious that you can cut tendons through armor, but you can't swear at the enemy and call 'em cunts.

 

[Ruzen]

Hyped game gets amazing reviews, what a surprise. Why didn't they call it GOTY already.

...but No Mans Sky received 10 more times hype

 

[Luckmann]

Hyped game gets amazing reviews, what a surprise. Why didn't they call it GOTY already.

...but No Mans Sky received 10 more times hype

Yes, but it also got massive shit right on release. Gaming Jews may be delusional opportunists that doesn't know jack shit about what they're writing about, eagerly jumping on any band-wagon for attention, but even they would have to be functionally retarded to praise No Mans Sky.

 

[Ruzen]

That's what I'm trying to say even though games getting hyped at the start, the reviews still could go both ways. Even you are saying the same thing. People saw how BS that game was and received negative reviews despite how hyped it was.

 

[Jimmious]

Guys don't forget that 90% of the issues we notice are meta-gaming issues that the average player won't care about. We must never forget that we are nerds in here.

I bet that for example most people won't give a flying fuck about the initiative system. Some dude in the Larian forums even said that it's good because "it's fair" as if my PC would feel sad if I treat it unfairly or something

*Also if Dragon Age : Inquisition has an 85 metascore from reviewers D:OS2 should have approximately 123, so I'm fine with the super reviews

 

[Lahey]

At least it's a turn-based RPG getting good reviews instead of some generic action trash.

"There are no bad tactics, only bad targets" - Taylor Swift.

These reviews are terrible and betray their writer's complete ignorance, regardless of how happy you may be to see success for Larian (I am as well, to be clear). The pcgamesn title dubbed it the "best strategy game since Xcom". I don't see how this kind of reception is good for crpgs.

Not only amazing reviews, but reviews which see no faults at all, except minor bugs or ridiculous personal preferences like different key bindings. Some numerical ratings don't correspond to the written review, like the 4/5 one.

This is what pisses me off the most. I love the game, but people that pretend that it has no issues just to follow along with the hype or lick developer butthole deserves to be gassed. D:OS2 has some very real issues, the discussion of which are being buried by people that should be on ventilators in case they forget to breathe.

"BUT IT'S LARIAN'S TURN!1!1!$%"

The rising tide may raise all ships, but who wants to sail in an ocean of shit?

Guys don't forget that 90% of the issues we notice are meta-gaming issues that the average player won't care about. We must never forget that we are nerds in here.

I don't think there's any danger of that.

 

[Ventidius]

I generally don't mind the AI cheating in strategy and tactics games, at least to an extent. I don't even mind it cheating in combat-oriented RPGs for the sake of more challenge.

Most of the time some form of asymmetry is the only realistic way single-player tactical games can force the player to use the breadth of his toolset.

That said, what they appear(still not sure of how it exactly works under the hood) to have done with the initiative system seems not to have been thought through so far. It is one thing to give the AI a fighting chance and another to extirpate an entire possibility from the tactical ecosystem; which is what they have done by taking an approach that doesn't allow for the combat role of Initiative-oriented Wits-based characters that focus on speed. Eliminating the usefulness of builds is not only a flaw of the character system, but also impoverishes combat by limiting the amount of combat roles, the absolute nadir being, of course, the infamous tank-dps-healer trinity from MMOs.

Also, too much asymmetry also runs the risk of making aspects of the ruleset unintelligible, and in RPGs it can also result in builds that look viable on paper not playing out properly due to the inconsistencies. The initiative system here seems to be a good example of both those issues. I feel for the bros that wasted points in Wits early game.

This is by far the biggest flaw of the combat system IMO, and I hope Larian addresses it in a future patch. But that would require a major rebalancing, so I would not be too optimistic about that prospect.

 

[Jarmaro]

Nah, I know D:OS 2 gets all the 9 and 10 beceause it's GOOD. Good is enough these days to be considered perfection, second coming of Christ.
Or maybe it always was. Who would dare to say AAA game is good and then rate it 7-7,5? I don't really balme them... except I do. They made this 'toxic' community.
They were the ones to inflate ratings in the first place, they should repair it. Game reviewers should really reach any consensus and balance the reviews.

The saddest thing is, that Larian really thinks they made perfect game. Oh, they understand flawes, but flaws are meaningless to them.
At this point reviewers and general mainstream serve them as Yes-Men and will praise anything they do.

 

[Lacrymas]

The saddest thing is, that Larian really thinks they made perfect game. Oh, they understand flawes, but flaws are meaningless to them.
At this point reviewers and general mainstream serve them as Yes-Men and will praise anything they do.

This is what I fear most, as well. Larian taking mainstream reviews at face value and start thinking they are perfect virtuous flower children who can do no wrong or don't need to listen to 'those people' who "criticize" the obviously perfect end result. Or they do recognize the critiques as justified, but don't do anything about it because they get 10/10s from mainstream reviews anyway.

 

[undecaf]

Swen doesn't really sound like that to me. But who knows, popularity can be a powerful drug.

 

[sullynathan]

The most important question. Is it better than original sin?

 

[Jarmaro]

Is it better than original sin?

Tiny decline

 

[dragonul09]

Stealing in this game is too damn easy,almost ruins the game for me,but the tempation to steal dem shiny armor plates and beautifully ornated staffs are too damn high.

Just can't help myself

 

[Kem0sabe]

Have they fixed the quest related issues? where can one check some form of organized patch notes for all the udpates they have released so far?

 

[dragonul09]

Have they fixed the quest related issues? where can one check some form of organized patch notes for all the udpates they have released so far?

They have released only 2 mini-patches so far and they only fixed some minor bugs like missing text and one critical bug that corrupted save-games.

Nothing important so far

You can read patch-notes here
http://divinityoriginalsin2.wiki.fextralife.com/Patch+Notes

 

[Niklasgunner]

Stealing in this game is too damn easy,almost ruins the game for me,but the tempation to steal dem shiny armor plates and beautifully ornated staffs are too damn high.

Just can't help myself

Want me to ruin it even more for you? You can steal from a trader 4 times by just respeccing your characters, endlessly if you bother hiring mercenaries.

They should have let you rob an NPC once per party, not once per character.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Maybe the AI is ignorant of AoO's because they're not a guaranteed thing? You have to take a talent to activate them after all. Maybe they thought it was more realistic for the AI to not assume the player had them? I would agree that's dumb, but its a possible explanation.

 

[Jezal_k23]

If realism was their concern, then the AI shouldn't know that Fane is undead either.

 

[KateMicucci]

Does iniative still allow the PC to move every character first on turn 1? If alternating turns only kick in on the 2nd turn it's not so bad, maybe even preferable in some cases since you won't get tag teamed by four AI in a row without a chance to respond.

 

[KateMicucci]

Maybe the AI is ignorant of AoO's because they're not a guaranteed thing? You have to take a talent to activate them after all. Maybe they thought it was more realistic for the AI to not assume the player had them? I would agree that's dumb, but its a possible explanation.

The player can see if enemies have Opportunist, along with their resistance levels, stats and many other things. The AI should have at least as much knowledge.

 

[Infinitron]

The saddest thing is, that Larian really thinks they made perfect game. Oh, they understand flawes, but flaws are meaningless to them.
At this point reviewers and general mainstream serve them as Yes-Men and will praise anything they do.

If you're one of the people who thinks D:OS 1 was better, let me remind you that Swen came out with a blog post saying it was a flawed game just days after it received a GOTY award from GameSpot.

 

[Jimmious]

The most important question. Is it better than original sin?

It is definitely better in a lot of aspects. There are only some dubious decisions in combat which might not bother most people but for some they are super annoying.

The more I think about it it seems like they "balanced" combat to make ... the PvP fair? Because that also exists? And they had it in the beta for too long so people were testing that a lot? Which of course is a stupid move but ...oh well..

Other than that the game improved in quality and content in most aspects. Writing is better, there is an incredible amount of quality content in every inch of the maps, voice overs are good, graphics are excellent and you have SO MANY tools in your disposal it's crazy.