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Divinity Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition
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DraQ
Arcane
Is it just me or did the writing in EE 'incline' in a sort of opposite direction?
It doesn't seem better in any particular aspect but it does spoonfeed you info explicitly and early, which is an aspect that makes it markedly worse.
It's good they've got Avellone on board for DOS2 because for some reason Larian's writing got pretty dire from DOS onward, even though it was pretty good, at least as far as tongue in cheek pastiche is concerned, back in Divinity 2, or even in Dragon Commander (at least in regards to dialogue).
It doesn't seem better in any particular aspect but it does spoonfeed you info explicitly and early, which is an aspect that makes it markedly worse.
It's good they've got Avellone on board for DOS2 because for some reason Larian's writing got pretty dire from DOS onward, even though it was pretty good, at least as far as tongue in cheek pastiche is concerned, back in Divinity 2, or even in Dragon Commander (at least in regards to dialogue).
Gord
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Can't say it seems that different to me. My biggest gripe was that they used too "flowery", elaborate language in many dialogues, which is unfortunately still present.
Most of the writing-related changes I noticed don't seem a decisive improvement, but no decline either, they are just not that significant.
I agree that in terms of writing D:OS seems worse than DKS - they mostly failed to replicate the situational humour of the older titles.
Most of the writing-related changes I noticed don't seem a decisive improvement, but no decline either, they are just not that significant.
I agree that in terms of writing D:OS seems worse than DKS - they mostly failed to replicate the situational humour of the older titles.
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Unless we have Maxos! moments I'm completely tuning out of the writing.
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270mb patch inbound (steam)
Kem0sabe
Arcane
Really wished they allowed a further zoomed out camera, I still find it too claustrophobic at the current max out zoom.
There was a cheatengine hack that allowed that but it no longer works on the new EE version of the game.
There was a cheatengine hack that allowed that but it no longer works on the new EE version of the game.
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It feels a lot harder at the very beginning. First fight even.
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Nice that he mentions codex a couple of times.
Aenra
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He is as business ..savvy.. as Fargo, if not more. A potentially dangerous aspect, but in this case i find me entirely uninterested as thus far it's been to everyone's benefit. Just don't go all puppy eyes with tricks like these, it's still a hard, competitive sector to work in. He is only catering to his audience.
I see no difference in difficulty between vanilla and tactician :/
Gord
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If you cheesed it before (i.e. you used the fun builds), you can still cheese it pretty much the same. However, playing with cheese is actually necessary in some fights now.
DraQ
Arcane
Regarding writing, my main problem so far in the DOS->DOS:EE transition was made apparent when I got to the Homestead for the first time.
In the original it was one of the (few) moments that just worked without reservations, EE it had much less impact (because of different use soundtrack, in the original the entire sequence opened with Beyond The Waves of Time), dialogue isn't as effective (brevity is the soul of wit, apparently, and the original version had much more effective quips in this regard) and then the EE also turned out to frontload a while lot of information and hand it to the player on a silver platter. As far as writing improvements are concerned this is anything but. Figuring stuff out is fun and a powerful motivation to keep someone interested in your fiction (and frankly, DOS writing needs all the help it can get) so you don't drop something like this, while frontloading information ruins the pacing. DOS:EE is no better in that regard than Skyrim was with its guildlines and that whole "dragonbumborn" business (started playing with Inigo mod in Skyrim, if it isn't apparent). I also think previous introduction of TP pyramids was more graceful - EE seems to try too hard to tie *everything* together
(or exposes existing ties too early and eagerly - haven't got far enough in vanilla) not to mention it spells the solution to getting the other pyramid out to the player - was figuring out what to do to find the other teleporter once you have the first one really this hard for people capable of unassisted breathing?
tl;dr
Was it not for mechanical improvements, item descriptions, a few extra banters and, I think, more music tracks, I would have reverted to vanilla DOS by now.
In the original it was one of the (few) moments that just worked without reservations, EE it had much less impact (because of different use soundtrack, in the original the entire sequence opened with Beyond The Waves of Time), dialogue isn't as effective (brevity is the soul of wit, apparently, and the original version had much more effective quips in this regard) and then the EE also turned out to frontload a while lot of information and hand it to the player on a silver platter. As far as writing improvements are concerned this is anything but. Figuring stuff out is fun and a powerful motivation to keep someone interested in your fiction (and frankly, DOS writing needs all the help it can get) so you don't drop something like this, while frontloading information ruins the pacing. DOS:EE is no better in that regard than Skyrim was with its guildlines and that whole "dragon
(or exposes existing ties too early and eagerly - haven't got far enough in vanilla) not to mention it spells the solution to getting the other pyramid out to the player - was figuring out what to do to find the other teleporter once you have the first one really this hard for people capable of unassisted breathing?
tl;dr
Was it not for mechanical improvements, item descriptions, a few extra banters and, I think, more music tracks, I would have reverted to vanilla DOS by now.
Being able to change camera angle would be far more useful IMO.
Tactician should have extra enemies in most encounters and more special abilities and traits on them as well as more consumables used by the enemies against the party (so for example skeleton archers will be quite fond of enveloping the party in a poison cloud with special arrow then ending it with a DIY thermobaric explosion using a flaming one).
Not in the mood for cheese?
Gord
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For me it was something of a mixed bag. Some parts are made smoother in the EE, with better overall flow.
On the other hand they apparently want to make very sure now that no one misses certain aspects of the game (like the pyramids). At times this makes it look a little bit forced.
I'm a man with many cheeses.
DraQ
Arcane
For me it feels downright insulting.
Some parts do work better indeed but all the streamlining and spoonfeeding more than makes up for this.
and triggers the shit out of me.
Aenra
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SniperHF ( you always reply, lol, so it's not my fault i'm tagging your ass :p )
- Any plans, once the editor is out, to lessen animation lengths? If not, as i understand it's a time-consuming endeavour, can i 'edit' any setting myself that would merely disable them? Resulting in a simple 'click-it-happens' situation? Even if it didn't look "right", that's fine by me.
- You mentioned in the Larian forums that you might have a look in the (old) save game editor. That still a possibility?
I (almost) promise not to ask again about either of these. Honest.
- Any plans, once the editor is out, to lessen animation lengths? If not, as i understand it's a time-consuming endeavour, can i 'edit' any setting myself that would merely disable them? Resulting in a simple 'click-it-happens' situation? Even if it didn't look "right", that's fine by me.
- You mentioned in the Larian forums that you might have a look in the (old) save game editor. That still a possibility?
I (almost) promise not to ask again about either of these. Honest.
SniperHF
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I think that was Rhidian or Norbyte, I cannot into programming
For the animation thing, I don't think the editor can do anything about that. Pretty sure the times come from blender. (note that I know nothing about Blender either)
See how the Duration section is greyed out.
However you could make it ugly I think, if you simply replaced the .GR2 files with something like "still". I've done some mucking around with this to try and remove idle animations and it does seem to work (in the old version). So you could conceivably copy/paste some other short animation, and rename it Cast_X or Shout_X or whatever.
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Aenra
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Will back everything up and give it a try during the weekend, thanks man 
[if no further posting, assume i fucked everything up, reverted and pretended i never cared about this anyway]
[if no further posting, assume i fucked everything up, reverted and pretended i never cared about this anyway]
Gnidrologist
CONDUCTOR
New to the game. (playing enhanced version) Want some tips.
First of all - there seems to be infinite variety of items that can probably be used for crafting. I don't like to be encumbered and my two chars are fighter and a thief archetypes. Don't want to waste much points into crafting skill, while gimping them combat wise. The question is - should i stick to these items/store them somewhere if: 1) have enough spare points to invest in crafting 2) some joinable NPC that could be an utility craftsman join.
I obviously have no clue if there will be joinable craft masters in the first part of the game and don't understand combat system enough to know if i'd gimp my guys, if i don't invest enough in their primary skills. Don't want obvious spoilers, just general advices on this. Btw, are there storage containers that would hold my stuff indefinitely?
What's the general opinion on crafting in this game anyway.
ps (really liking it so far - don't get all the flack for bad writing - it seems just as unpretentiously simple, but effective as in both previous games and maintaining the same and of humor).
First of all - there seems to be infinite variety of items that can probably be used for crafting. I don't like to be encumbered and my two chars are fighter and a thief archetypes. Don't want to waste much points into crafting skill, while gimping them combat wise. The question is - should i stick to these items/store them somewhere if: 1) have enough spare points to invest in crafting 2) some joinable NPC that could be an utility craftsman join.
I obviously have no clue if there will be joinable craft masters in the first part of the game and don't understand combat system enough to know if i'd gimp my guys, if i don't invest enough in their primary skills. Don't want obvious spoilers, just general advices on this. Btw, are there storage containers that would hold my stuff indefinitely?
What's the general opinion on crafting in this game anyway.
ps (really liking it so far - don't get all the flack for bad writing - it seems just as unpretentiously simple, but effective as in both previous games and maintaining the same and of humor).
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