Dragon Age: Inquisition Pre-Release Thread

[pippin]

But dude, there's PETA and Greenpeace. The latter seems cleaner than PETA, but still, those are big corporations doing what you said. It's the same for every current social movement, a big company will "steal" it in one way or another. Neo-liberalism works like that.

 

[King Arthur]

Or maybe it's because children can't fight well, and using child soldiers is morally reprehensible. There are good reasons not to have recruitable children, without going there.

Darth Vader blew up the Trade Federation capital ship at age six, by himself, thus freeing planet Naboo from tyranny. Next time you feel the urge to dismiss the fighting capabilities of children, check your facts.

 

[Menckenstein]

Would the children be romanceable? Or are Bioware still ageist pigs?!

 

[Rod Rodderson]

I'd go with pedophobic. Sounds more sensationalistic.

 

[Tytus]

Or maybe it's because children can't fight well, and using child soldiers is morally reprehensible. There are good reasons not to have recruitable children, without going there.

Darth Vader blew up the Trade Federation capital ship at age six, by himself, thus freeing planet Naboo from tyranny. Next time you feel the urge to dismiss the fighting capabilities of children, check your facts.

You're a Fagget and a Nerf Herder, that was Anakin Skywalker. He was killed by Vader during the Clone Wars. Darth Vader never was a part of the treacherous Jedi Order that wanted to kill our beloved Emperor.

 

[WhiteGuts]

The first reviews of the romance options are in:

Spoiler

i still can’t believe it. a few hours of crying and rage and i can’t believe. i can’t believe blackwall, who we no nothing about, including who his voice actor, who literally blends into the carpet is an li over vivienne. he is even straight. what bizarro world am i in.

*crying* everyone’s so conflicted on my dash & I desperately want to agree with some of them but then I don’t want the other half to take it the wrong way even though it’s respectful & polite. fudge nuggets

i in no way condone the harassment of the bioware devs but

i am actually so pissed about this like i know bioware is great in that they even offer same sex romance in such a stupidly heteronormative industry but like???

for a company that preaches equality its bullshit that there are not an equal number of same sex/opposite sex li’s

you can excuse it as “realism” all you want, this is a fantasy game where impossible things can happen and the fact that there are more options for straight characters is gross

Bioware Equality: Where you can date substantially more Alien/Fictional races than actual POC. Oh and they’re mainly light skinned fictional races.

complaining abt an LI being straight is absolutely not the same thing as complaining that an LI is gay or bi

do not. compare queer people looking for representation. to the dudebros that actively send us hate. to the people who constantly oppress us.

seriously just stop that is disgusting

Yeah…
While I’m keeping my critical theory knife in the drawer until after I’ve played Inquisition, I have strong doubts about the potential for many unfortunate unintended (or unconscious) racial statements to be made. Same goes for the race-gated Solas romance.

No matter what reasons or excuses the devs give for their decisions to race-gate Cullen and Solas, this is coming from the same company is giving us yet another unfortunate statement about socioeconomic class:

• Lesbian Sera (poor, elven, underclass) and gay Dorian (upperclass Tevinter mage) mirroring the strong economic inequity between lesbian and gay households in north america.

Plus their prior unfortunate statements about ethnicity/race:

• Overtly sexualizing two of the three (DAO+DA2 only) LIs who directly read as non-white (Zevran, Isabela), which mirrors centuries of hurtful real life stereotypes in western culture that overtly sexualize the racialized Other.
• Portraying the LIs who read as non-white at or near the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder: Fenris, Isabela, Zevran.

Not to mention all of the other problematic things so far. The many, many other things. Despite what Bioware does well, their media is often unintentionally insensitive to people who are not cis, white, or straight.

So, no matter what reasons Bioware gives for race-gating Cullen and Solas, late this November my critical theory knife will be sharp and ready.

Let’s get one thing straight before somebody starts showing their ass: I don’t care who is romanceable. It’s a game. That has nothing to do with this. Schmooples could be the only romance in the game, and I wouldn’t care.

What I care about is the fact that there are two romances available to women who prefer women, two romances available to men who prefer men, and 2 gay characters and 2 bi characters up against 4 straight characters.

The world is not divided into “straight” and “not straight.” It’s divided into a wide array of sexual and romantic orientations, ranging from all to nothing. 4 straight and 4 not-straight isn’t equal, so straight fans who want to talk about “equality” can sit right the fuck down. That is heteronormativity on a nauseating level and I’m tired of seeing it here.

And normally, this would piss me off, sure, but it wouldn’t enrage me. This time is has, because Bioware hasn’t just dropped the ball on representation, it’s double-crossed the sizable portion of its fanbase who are LGBTQ+. They use us in marketing. Sure, there hasn’t been an outright “look at all the gays we’ve collected” ad campaign, but when people on the street hear “Bioware” the first thing most of them will think is “LGBT.” That is a very good amount of the press around Bioware; that they respect and care about the LGBTQ+ community. Our presence in their fanbase gets them money and good press.

Despite the fact that they have us to thank for a significant amount of their fucking hype, we get “half and half” heteronormativity, gay men and women have been told to fuck off, and then our own fandom lashes out at us for daring to speak about it. Between the announcements of Solas and Blackwall as straight characters, Bioware has shown how much of a fuck they actually give about the part of their fanbase that has done arguably the most for them. Not a single fuck.

Don’t reduce LGBTQ+ fans’ rightful anger over a lack of adequate representation to “hate” and “hysteria.” No one has said shit about your faves, and this isn’t about Blackwall, Vivienne, Solas, or anyone else. It’s about Bioware pretending they are here for us for as long as we can help their fucking marketing, and then shoving us aside.

The Lack of Understanding I See on my Dash is Appalling
Please do not shit on people who are upset.

Please do not assume people who are upset or venting in their own private space/blogs are also sending hate to developers.

Please feel free to be enthused that the person you were hoping to be LI is, in fact, LI!

Please do not make people feel like ‘bad fans’ or ‘the shitty fandom’ for being upset.

Please do not make false equivalences by making POC exchangeable (but you have Josephine, why are you forgetting about her and being upset about Vivienne?), or by making LGBTQIA+ members exchangeable (1 bi +1 pan + 2 homosexual = 4 gay so it’s even with 4 straight!!)

Please understand this does affect people emotionally and can compound issues they see or deal with in every day life.

Please understand it’s not just about who is LI.

Please understand that ‘story reasons’ can still be problematic reasons.

Please remember that just because you are not upset, does not mean those who are, are ‘overreacting.’

(edit: I adjusted the ‘equation’ to include Iron Bull as pan, not bi, even if the equation is meant to be a gross opinion, as Iron Bull’s sexuality shouldn’t be ignored for the sake of a point)

This is what gets me about them specifying that Iron Bull is pan. A lot of people see that term as more inclusive of different gender identities (I don’t share that belief, but I do understand why some people would be uncomfortable with calling themselves bi and I respect that).

But how the fuck is someone going to be pan in a world that is pretty much entirely void of gender identities outside of male and female. I’m not trying to strip Bull of his orientation (he’s pan, end of story), but for me it all came across as Bioware trying to get more cookies for representation, and it fucking sucks.

The problem is people flaunting the fact that Sera is gay, even going as far to make fan art with her holding a “male tears” mug, while also claiming that characters are not meant to bend to the will of the player. But the second Cassandra was announced as straight, every single fucking person in the fandom denied it. They said, “it’s cannon and no one can stop me” while also destroying people who said that “Sera is cannon straight.” WHILE ALSO saying Gay People don’t get enough representation in games. And I’m not saying that in itself is a problem- video games obviously need a more diverse cast than “token Caucasian male bangs white curvy women.” I’m saying that people who demand for Bioware to make non-player centered characters while simultaneously bashing Bioware for not making enough lgbt characters, but then retaliating by saying “we just want more rep, what’s wrong with that? We’re not overreacting” is the mother-fucking problem.

And if there is a quality about a person that makes me go from “you’re pretty neat” to “I want to destroy every fucking atom in your cunt body with my bare hands” in 0.02 seconds is people who are fucking hypocrites.

This fandom is fucking filled with the shit asshats. I want to physically kill each and every one of them.

tl;dr: If you are a hypocrite I will shit on your grave after I killed you with my bare-fucking hands.

Aroace Blackwall encouraging homoromantic asexual Vivienne to act on her giant crush on biromantic asexual Cassandra.

 

[Elim]

The first reviews of the romance options are in:

Spoiler

i still can’t believe it. a few hours of crying and rage and i can’t believe. i can’t believe blackwall, who we no nothing about, including who his voice actor, who literally blends into the carpet is an li over vivienne. he is even straight. what bizarro world am i in.

*crying* everyone’s so conflicted on my dash & I desperately want to agree with some of them but then I don’t want the other half to take it the wrong way even though it’s respectful & polite. fudge nuggets

i in no way condone the harassment of the bioware devs but

i am actually so pissed about this like i know bioware is great in that they even offer same sex romance in such a stupidly heteronormative industry but like???

for a company that preaches equality its bullshit that there are not an equal number of same sex/opposite sex li’s

you can excuse it as “realism” all you want, this is a fantasy game where impossible things can happen and the fact that there are more options for straight characters is gross

Bioware Equality: Where you can date substantially more Alien/Fictional races than actual POC. Oh and they’re mainly light skinned fictional races.

complaining abt an LI being straight is absolutely not the same thing as complaining that an LI is gay or bi

do not. compare queer people looking for representation. to the dudebros that actively send us hate. to the people who constantly oppress us.

seriously just stop that is disgusting

Yeah…
While I’m keeping my critical theory knife in the drawer until after I’ve played Inquisition, I have strong doubts about the potential for many unfortunate unintended (or unconscious) racial statements to be made. Same goes for the race-gated Solas romance.

No matter what reasons or excuses the devs give for their decisions to race-gate Cullen and Solas, this is coming from the same company is giving us yet another unfortunate statement about socioeconomic class:

• Lesbian Sera (poor, elven, underclass) and gay Dorian (upperclass Tevinter mage) mirroring the strong economic inequity between lesbian and gay households in north america.

Plus their prior unfortunate statements about ethnicity/race:

• Overtly sexualizing two of the three (DAO+DA2 only) LIs who directly read as non-white (Zevran, Isabela), which mirrors centuries of hurtful real life stereotypes in western culture that overtly sexualize the racialized Other.
• Portraying the LIs who read as non-white at or near the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder: Fenris, Isabela, Zevran.

Not to mention all of the other problematic things so far. The many, many other things. Despite what Bioware does well, their media is often unintentionally insensitive to people who are not cis, white, or straight.

So, no matter what reasons Bioware gives for race-gating Cullen and Solas, late this November my critical theory knife will be sharp and ready.

Let’s get one thing straight before somebody starts showing their ass: I don’t care who is romanceable. It’s a game. That has nothing to do with this. Schmooples could be the only romance in the game, and I wouldn’t care.

What I care about is the fact that there are two romances available to women who prefer women, two romances available to men who prefer men, and 2 gay characters and 2 bi characters up against 4 straight characters.

The world is not divided into “straight” and “not straight.” It’s divided into a wide array of sexual and romantic orientations, ranging from all to nothing. 4 straight and 4 not-straight isn’t equal, so straight fans who want to talk about “equality” can sit right the fuck down. That is heteronormativity on a nauseating level and I’m tired of seeing it here.

And normally, this would piss me off, sure, but it wouldn’t enrage me. This time is has, because Bioware hasn’t just dropped the ball on representation, it’s double-crossed the sizable portion of its fanbase who are LGBTQ+. They use us in marketing. Sure, there hasn’t been an outright “look at all the gays we’ve collected” ad campaign, but when people on the street hear “Bioware” the first thing most of them will think is “LGBT.” That is a very good amount of the press around Bioware; that they respect and care about the LGBTQ+ community. Our presence in their fanbase gets them money and good press.

Despite the fact that they have us to thank for a significant amount of their fucking hype, we get “half and half” heteronormativity, gay men and women have been told to fuck off, and then our own fandom lashes out at us for daring to speak about it. Between the announcements of Solas and Blackwall as straight characters, Bioware has shown how much of a fuck they actually give about the part of their fanbase that has done arguably the most for them. Not a single fuck.

Don’t reduce LGBTQ+ fans’ rightful anger over a lack of adequate representation to “hate” and “hysteria.” No one has said shit about your faves, and this isn’t about Blackwall, Vivienne, Solas, or anyone else. It’s about Bioware pretending they are here for us for as long as we can help their fucking marketing, and then shoving us aside.

The Lack of Understanding I See on my Dash is Appalling
Please do not shit on people who are upset.

Please do not assume people who are upset or venting in their own private space/blogs are also sending hate to developers.

Please feel free to be enthused that the person you were hoping to be LI is, in fact, LI!

Please do not make people feel like ‘bad fans’ or ‘the shitty fandom’ for being upset.

Please do not make false equivalences by making POC exchangeable (but you have Josephine, why are you forgetting about her and being upset about Vivienne?), or by making LGBTQIA+ members exchangeable (1 bi +1 pan + 2 homosexual = 4 gay so it’s even with 4 straight!!)

Please understand this does affect people emotionally and can compound issues they see or deal with in every day life.

Please understand it’s not just about who is LI.

Please understand that ‘story reasons’ can still be problematic reasons.

Please remember that just because you are not upset, does not mean those who are, are ‘overreacting.’

(edit: I adjusted the ‘equation’ to include Iron Bull as pan, not bi, even if the equation is meant to be a gross opinion, as Iron Bull’s sexuality shouldn’t be ignored for the sake of a point)

This is what gets me about them specifying that Iron Bull is pan. A lot of people see that term as more inclusive of different gender identities (I don’t share that belief, but I do understand why some people would be uncomfortable with calling themselves bi and I respect that).

But how the fuck is someone going to be pan in a world that is pretty much entirely void of gender identities outside of male and female. I’m not trying to strip Bull of his orientation (he’s pan, end of story), but for me it all came across as Bioware trying to get more cookies for representation, and it fucking sucks.

The problem is people flaunting the fact that Sera is gay, even going as far to make fan art with her holding a “male tears” mug, while also claiming that characters are not meant to bend to the will of the player. But the second Cassandra was announced as straight, every single fucking person in the fandom denied it. They said, “it’s cannon and no one can stop me” while also destroying people who said that “Sera is cannon straight.” WHILE ALSO saying Gay People don’t get enough representation in games. And I’m not saying that in itself is a problem- video games obviously need a more diverse cast than “token Caucasian male bangs white curvy women.” I’m saying that people who demand for Bioware to make non-player centered characters while simultaneously bashing Bioware for not making enough lgbt characters, but then retaliating by saying “we just want more rep, what’s wrong with that? We’re not overreacting” is the mother-fucking problem.

And if there is a quality about a person that makes me go from “you’re pretty neat” to “I want to destroy every fucking atom in your cunt body with my bare hands” in 0.02 seconds is people who are fucking hypocrites.

This fandom is fucking filled with the shit asshats. I want to physically kill each and every one of them.

tl;dr: If you are a hypocrite I will shit on your grave after I killed you with my bare-fucking hands.

Aroace Blackwall encouraging homoromantic asexual Vivienne to act on her giant crush on biromantic asexual Cassandra.

 

[Lerk]

I'm kind of ashamed how badly I want this game to tank

 

[RPGMaster]

Did Morrigan turn into a crack whore in between games?

 

[Space Satan]

The first reviews of the romance options are in:

Spoiler

i still can’t believe it. a few hours of crying and rage and i can’t believe. i can’t believe blackwall, who we no nothing about, including who his voice actor, who literally blends into the carpet is an li over vivienne. he is even straight. what bizarro world am i in.

*crying* everyone’s so conflicted on my dash & I desperately want to agree with some of them but then I don’t want the other half to take it the wrong way even though it’s respectful & polite. fudge nuggets

i in no way condone the harassment of the bioware devs but

i am actually so pissed about this like i know bioware is great in that they even offer same sex romance in such a stupidly heteronormative industry but like???

for a company that preaches equality its bullshit that there are not an equal number of same sex/opposite sex li’s

you can excuse it as “realism” all you want, this is a fantasy game where impossible things can happen and the fact that there are more options for straight characters is gross

Bioware Equality: Where you can date substantially more Alien/Fictional races than actual POC. Oh and they’re mainly light skinned fictional races.

complaining abt an LI being straight is absolutely not the same thing as complaining that an LI is gay or bi

do not. compare queer people looking for representation. to the dudebros that actively send us hate. to the people who constantly oppress us.

seriously just stop that is disgusting

Yeah…
While I’m keeping my critical theory knife in the drawer until after I’ve played Inquisition, I have strong doubts about the potential for many unfortunate unintended (or unconscious) racial statements to be made. Same goes for the race-gated Solas romance.

No matter what reasons or excuses the devs give for their decisions to race-gate Cullen and Solas, this is coming from the same company is giving us yet another unfortunate statement about socioeconomic class:

• Lesbian Sera (poor, elven, underclass) and gay Dorian (upperclass Tevinter mage) mirroring the strong economic inequity between lesbian and gay households in north america.

Plus their prior unfortunate statements about ethnicity/race:

• Overtly sexualizing two of the three (DAO+DA2 only) LIs who directly read as non-white (Zevran, Isabela), which mirrors centuries of hurtful real life stereotypes in western culture that overtly sexualize the racialized Other.
• Portraying the LIs who read as non-white at or near the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder: Fenris, Isabela, Zevran.

Not to mention all of the other problematic things so far. The many, many other things. Despite what Bioware does well, their media is often unintentionally insensitive to people who are not cis, white, or straight.

So, no matter what reasons Bioware gives for race-gating Cullen and Solas, late this November my critical theory knife will be sharp and ready.

Let’s get one thing straight before somebody starts showing their ass: I don’t care who is romanceable. It’s a game. That has nothing to do with this. Schmooples could be the only romance in the game, and I wouldn’t care.

What I care about is the fact that there are two romances available to women who prefer women, two romances available to men who prefer men, and 2 gay characters and 2 bi characters up against 4 straight characters.

The world is not divided into “straight” and “not straight.” It’s divided into a wide array of sexual and romantic orientations, ranging from all to nothing. 4 straight and 4 not-straight isn’t equal, so straight fans who want to talk about “equality” can sit right the fuck down. That is heteronormativity on a nauseating level and I’m tired of seeing it here.

And normally, this would piss me off, sure, but it wouldn’t enrage me. This time is has, because Bioware hasn’t just dropped the ball on representation, it’s double-crossed the sizable portion of its fanbase who are LGBTQ+. They use us in marketing. Sure, there hasn’t been an outright “look at all the gays we’ve collected” ad campaign, but when people on the street hear “Bioware” the first thing most of them will think is “LGBT.” That is a very good amount of the press around Bioware; that they respect and care about the LGBTQ+ community. Our presence in their fanbase gets them money and good press.

Despite the fact that they have us to thank for a significant amount of their fucking hype, we get “half and half” heteronormativity, gay men and women have been told to fuck off, and then our own fandom lashes out at us for daring to speak about it. Between the announcements of Solas and Blackwall as straight characters, Bioware has shown how much of a fuck they actually give about the part of their fanbase that has done arguably the most for them. Not a single fuck.

Don’t reduce LGBTQ+ fans’ rightful anger over a lack of adequate representation to “hate” and “hysteria.” No one has said shit about your faves, and this isn’t about Blackwall, Vivienne, Solas, or anyone else. It’s about Bioware pretending they are here for us for as long as we can help their fucking marketing, and then shoving us aside.

The Lack of Understanding I See on my Dash is Appalling
Please do not shit on people who are upset.

Please do not assume people who are upset or venting in their own private space/blogs are also sending hate to developers.

Please feel free to be enthused that the person you were hoping to be LI is, in fact, LI!

Please do not make people feel like ‘bad fans’ or ‘the shitty fandom’ for being upset.

Please do not make false equivalences by making POC exchangeable (but you have Josephine, why are you forgetting about her and being upset about Vivienne?), or by making LGBTQIA+ members exchangeable (1 bi +1 pan + 2 homosexual = 4 gay so it’s even with 4 straight!!)

Please understand this does affect people emotionally and can compound issues they see or deal with in every day life.

Please understand it’s not just about who is LI.

Please understand that ‘story reasons’ can still be problematic reasons.

Please remember that just because you are not upset, does not mean those who are, are ‘overreacting.’

(edit: I adjusted the ‘equation’ to include Iron Bull as pan, not bi, even if the equation is meant to be a gross opinion, as Iron Bull’s sexuality shouldn’t be ignored for the sake of a point)

This is what gets me about them specifying that Iron Bull is pan. A lot of people see that term as more inclusive of different gender identities (I don’t share that belief, but I do understand why some people would be uncomfortable with calling themselves bi and I respect that).

But how the fuck is someone going to be pan in a world that is pretty much entirely void of gender identities outside of male and female. I’m not trying to strip Bull of his orientation (he’s pan, end of story), but for me it all came across as Bioware trying to get more cookies for representation, and it fucking sucks.

The problem is people flaunting the fact that Sera is gay, even going as far to make fan art with her holding a “male tears” mug, while also claiming that characters are not meant to bend to the will of the player. But the second Cassandra was announced as straight, every single fucking person in the fandom denied it. They said, “it’s cannon and no one can stop me” while also destroying people who said that “Sera is cannon straight.” WHILE ALSO saying Gay People don’t get enough representation in games. And I’m not saying that in itself is a problem- video games obviously need a more diverse cast than “token Caucasian male bangs white curvy women.” I’m saying that people who demand for Bioware to make non-player centered characters while simultaneously bashing Bioware for not making enough lgbt characters, but then retaliating by saying “we just want more rep, what’s wrong with that? We’re not overreacting” is the mother-fucking problem.

And if there is a quality about a person that makes me go from “you’re pretty neat” to “I want to destroy every fucking atom in your cunt body with my bare hands” in 0.02 seconds is people who are fucking hypocrites.

This fandom is fucking filled with the shit asshats. I want to physically kill each and every one of them.

tl;dr: If you are a hypocrite I will shit on your grave after I killed you with my bare-fucking hands.

Aroace Blackwall encouraging homoromantic asexual Vivienne to act on her giant crush on biromantic asexual Cassandra.

 

[Caim]

I think Bioware should not have diverged which orientation the various LIs are. It is more interesting to get to know those characters and figure out which way they swing than to know it in advance, and the tears fans shed in rage for not being able to romance their preferred waifu/husbando are delicious.

 

[pippin]

I think Bioware should not have diverged which orientation the various LIs are. It is more interesting to get to know those characters and figure out which way they swing than to know it in advance, and the tears fans shed in rage for not being able to romance their preferred waifu/husbando are delicious.

Well, I had a male character and Zevran tried to fuck me almost immediatly after being hired. It's not like they write complex characters. And in the end the LI thing is more like the "shoot the enemy on its weak spot" thing.

 

[Caim]

I think Bioware should not have diverged which orientation the various LIs are. It is more interesting to get to know those characters and figure out which way they swing than to know it in advance, and the tears fans shed in rage for not being able to romance their preferred waifu/husbando are delicious.

Well, I had a male character and Zevran tried to fuck me almost immediatly after being hired. It's not like they write complex characters. And in the end the LI thing is more like the "shoot the enemy on its weak spot" thing.

That has more to do with Zevran being written like a complete loon.

"Oh, I'm sorry that my buds and I just tried to murder you and your friends. Allow me to make it up to you by ruthlessly fucking you in the ass."

But this is a common theme, like the foursome between the Warden, him, your party's nun and Captain STD in the sight of still-warm corpses. People do not work that way.

 

[nikolokolus]

Maybe somebody can answer a question for me. When (and why) did the Bioboards/BSN become so ... well, whatever the hell it is now? I posted/lurked over there in the early 2000s until maybe 2008 or so, but it's like there was a complete transplant of their fanbase at some point in the last 6 years. I can't recall ever seeing such a complete and utter turnover.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

Maybe somebody can answer a question for me. When (and why) did the Bioboards/BSN become so ... well, whatever the hell it is now? I posted/lurked over there in the early 2000s until maybe 2008 or so, but it's like there was a complete transplant of their fanbase at some point in the last 6 years. I can't recall ever seeing such a complete and utter turnover.

When ME2 came out, and it was 2010 IIRC, their player base were already almost completely like this (e.g. Tali megathread). But I stopped even lurking for lulz after DA2 release (2011), because after that travesty almost all non-retarded people have left, and resulting masses who remained were too depressing even to laugh at.

 

[Echo Mirage]

Maybe somebody can answer a question for me. When (and why) did the Bioboards/BSN become so ... well, whatever the hell it is now? I posted/lurked over there in the early 2000s until maybe 2008 or so, but it's like there was a complete transplant of their fanbase at some point in the last 6 years. I can't recall ever seeing such a complete and utter turnover.

Lurking during the Mass Effect 2 lead up all the way to post release was the stuff of grand nightmares.

It was the age of mega thread to mega thread flame wars. Tali's sweat posts and other stuff of horror. Also white knighting on the industrial scale and epic shilling. I returned after Dragon age 2 was released to see the aftermath since a lot of Biodrones had finally came to their senses and quit. The place at that time was quite barren with only idiots unable to see DA2's faults still posting. But there were also a few threads from people who were still sane and wanted to talk about DA2's issues. But those threads were infested by biodrones who called everyone who didn't rate the game 10/10 a hater.Also the ME2 mega threads had been purged (Tali's at least I hear) followed by bans like they were going out of fashion.

From the posts pasted here I looks like it's even worse than post ME2 now. With the weird virgin mega thread creepiness being replaced with SJW special snowflakes post DA2-ME3.

 

[pippin]

The only forums I looked in the BSN were the BG/NWN sections; sometimes they had rather useful threads about bits of walkthroughs and technical stuff. The ME/DA sections were true horror, there was this legendary 3000 pages thread about Miranda's butt....

 

[Lhynn]

there was this legendary 3000 pages thread about Miranda's butt....

That has to be a fucking lie.

 

[pippin]

there was this legendary 3000 pages thread about Miranda's butt....

That has to be a fucking lie.

3263 and counting, bro http://forum.bioware.com/topic/2218...-miranda-lawson-in-mass-effect-3/?hl=+miranda
The general stuff posted there is nowhere near Tali's stuff, but still, imagine the prospect of BSNtards discussing a character for that ammount of pages.

 

[Goat Vomit]

Some thing I found

there was this legendary 3000 pages thread about Miranda's butt....

That has to be a fucking lie.

I could actually buy that, both the creeps who are desperate for any fanservice and the SJW crowd can rant on forever about things like that.

 

[Zewp]

Lol, but the NPC does not look even remotely the same. He looks like he ODed on Ritalin. Not that it matters, but how hard is it to get your characters to at least look remotely similar?

Also, lol at Gaider calling his customers idiots. He's right on the money, but for the wrong reason.

 

[Stainless Veteran]

Lol, but the NPC does not look even remotely the same. He looks like he ODed on Ritalin. Not that it matters, but how hard is it to get your characters to at least look remotely similar?

Also, lol at Gaider calling his customers idiots. He's right on the money, but for the wrong reason.

Bioware cannot into character consistency, their 3d modelers are too incompetent for that.

 

[Harold]

Zevran got caught in the 'redesign all elves to look like long-necked-avatards' philosophy that plagued DA2. And now they got rolled back to just short humans with pointy ears. Which makes Gaider's remark even funnier in retrospect: he's only real power is too lash out at random people on the BSN; if his superiors decide to flip-flop, he has to flip-flop along without making a peep.

 

[pippin]

Those armor textures are very fugly. The fact that they took more care on those faces doesn't help.

 

[Seaking4]

Lol, but the NPC does not look even remotely the same. He looks like he ODed on Ritalin. Not that it matters, but how hard is it to get your characters to at least look remotely similar?

Also, lol at Gaider calling his customers idiots. He's right on the money, but for the wrong reason.

Bioware cannot into character consistency, their 3d modelers are too incompetent for that.

I don't think consistency matters much. Take The Witcher for example. Gerald looks different in every game yet I don't see anyone complaining.