Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Heroic Liberator]

Low energy thread tbqh.

 

[PunchYouInTheFace]

100 gamers around the world which character creation they prefer

Prove me wrong

In research methodology, you don't and will never find an "objective truth".

100 gamers. What kind "gamers"? Gamers in RPG Chudex? Gamers in etcetra forum? Gamers in geddit? Gamers in Archlinux community? What age range? What education range? What prior experience needed to qualify to answer?

It's elementary bachelor degree shit and still - it will not provide you with an Universal truth - hence it's idiotic to claim whether one opinion is correct or not. It's a damn opinion.

The weird thing is that you trying to convince yourself and others like you to agree on something you already believed in. It's an exercise of futility.

And you're asking me to prove you are wrong? it waste my time.

If you keen to believe one opinion to be true, then believe it, and more often than not, somebody else in this here shithole will agree with you (affirmation/confirmation bias) - but it will never be an objective truth nor universally accepted opinion.

 

[jackofshadows]

Critical Drinker entertains me instead of preaching at me like modern Hollywood does. He seems sincere in hating the Message.

Except that didn't stop him from uplifting the Fallout shitshow which is full of it. He just plays around it like any other blogger, maybe he was bought maybe he just made a poor judgement, doesn't matter. Recently he also became a "gamer bro", the another defender lmao. That being said, if a simple watch him trashing some new piece of media results in entertainment, than yeah, he's doing his job right. Just don't think more of him.

 

[Cryomancer]

What kind "gamers"? Gamers in RPG Chudex? Gamers in etcetra forum? Gamers in geddit? Gamers in Archlinux community? What age range? What education range? What prior experience needed to qualify to answer?

I explained bad my point. My point is that most of the world don't like this shit. Is a tiny minority in "anglosphere" trying to "force behaviors"(Larry Fink words) worldwide. Egypt hated what they did to Cleopatra and sued Netflix. Every single aaa game in almost a decade except Baizuo gate 3 was shit. Only a tiny minority of the world agree with it.

Despite censorship, people are trying to mod out the Frankfurt neo Marxism insanity away from bg3. Almost no one wastes their times putting this nonsense in bg2 but people put time in removing it from 3.

If larian allowed us to chose, bg3 with Adorno social engineering and without, I am sure that 95%+ of the world would chose without.

it waste my time.

You are already wasting your time answering to me. Come on, mention one, just one good setting made by Baizuos. Or one, just one good char made by them.

 

[Froila]

Plagiarism in fantasy is inevitable because all the basic tropes were already established centuries ago

They were established mostly by Tolkien and his epigones in last ~50 years, plus reused ad nauseam Arthurian stuff and French/German fairy tales. Modern fantasy likes to ignore anything beyond this.

 

[9ted6]

I agree that plagiarism is the least of DAO problems, but using ideas it “stole” from other fantasy books/series better? Not really.
1.Not all nobles in ASOIAF(GoT) are evil, even Lannisters who presented as such in earlier books are shown to have “feelings and emotions”(especially Jaime in A Feast for Crows).
2.Witcher’s portrayal of oppressed race is also better/on par(if we count subsequent DA games) with Origins. I guess being a pole and having a firsthand experience with jewish ghettos and pogroms helps.
3.That’s probably true
Also AFAIK DAO stole it whole cosmology/religion from Wheel of Time, didn’t read it so idk if it’s better or not, but seeing it all being based on Christianity, I’d say Bible lore is cooler.
PS. Dwarfs are great, sadly sequels chased le old elven gods narrative

1. The only nobles who aren't evil in GoT are portrayed as helpless idiots. In DAO good nobles like your dad in the human origin are portrayed as both wellmeaning and competent.
2. Witcher is preachy about it. DAO shows elves being oppressed but it also shows elves doing evil shit like Zevran and Zathrian. It doesn't become a onesided Humans Bad Elves Good virtue signal until the sequels but Witcher is always onesided to the point Geralt the monster hunter constantly goes off about how monsters aren't bad and humans are the real monsters.

I don't think DAO was great but I think the plagiarism accusations it gets aren't good criticism.

Plagiarism in fantasy is inevitable because all the basic tropes were already established centuries ago and every since author since early modern times has aped what someone else already made. The difference between inspiration and plagiarism is putting your own spin on it.

Dragon Age rips ideas from Game of Thrones, Twitcher and Warhammer but it uses said ideas better than any of those three things. It manages political intrigue without every noble being cartoonishly evil like GoT, it's unfortunately liberal but never preachy about it like Twitcher and it's dark but not retardark like Warhammer.

Yeah, nope.

At that point in time, there was only Twitcher 1 out, and it, being the best in the series, was far from preachy and liberal. Must I remind you that it was the collect-sex-cards-for-banging-chicks game?

Warhammer Fantasy is not retardark. Mayhap some wargame material suggests that, but definitely not the Role Play sourcebooks and campaigns. Neither is 40K for that matter, but this is not the right discussion for that. DAOs problem is, it lifted specific relationship between emotions, the otherworldly realm of swirling possibilities, daemons, magic and mages almost word for word from Warhammer. This is something more than using the same basic trope.

You might have a point with GoT. Never cared much about it, so can't compare and contrast the two satisfactorily. I'll tell you this tho: individually, Tywin Lannister >>> Loghain.

Twitcher 1 deviated quite alot from the source material. I agree that it was similar to DAO in tone but the books themselves as well as the sequels take a hardline leftoid worldview and push it on you. Geralt in 3 is a walking soapbox for the writers. DA's sequels are even worse than Twitcher's books or games though so I'll give you that.

Warhammer Fantasy's pretty retardark though. It's not on the same level as 40k but it's close. The RPG books are what codified all the Warhammer worlds being a doomed struggle for chaos's entertainment and characters casually doing horribly evil and extremely stupid things for no real reason or gain. That doesn't happen in DAO.

Howe and Loghain seem that way at first but if you look into things they've both got reasonable motivations for being dickheads and sincerely plan on getting something good out of it for themselves and Ferelden. Warhammer villain motives are I Want To Kill People Because I'm Bad. You could say the same for the Archdemon but that's the demonic dragon and just one character. Every Warhammer villain is like that.

I don't know much about GoT's details but I know just about every villain is inbred and sex crazed, usually incestuously sex crazed, so I doubt anyone's better than Loghain, who if you talk to and read lore notes about realize has completely reasonable grievances but seriously underestimates the darkspawn. Crazy evil villains like GoT's and Warhammer's exist and aren't bad in and of themselves, but when every single antagonist is exactly the same it gets old.

 

[whydoibother]

DAO is a generic dark epic fantasy, most inspirations come from LotR, The Witcher books (pariah-like elves, warden initiation ritual) and ASoIAF (political tensions).

Oh, your game has "political tensions"? You are an ASoIaF copy. Its over for you, you are derivative work.
Origins wasn't typical, it had a bunch of things to separate it from the generic medieval fantasy - the mages/templars relation, the demons/veil relation to magic, the "paladins" being a NGO and more gray, the initiation ritual scene, the dwarves relation to magic, each other, and golems, stuff like that. It didn't feel generic the way that Oblivion did on release, for example.

At least it's comprehensive, no fucking neon pub signs just because "it's fantasy with dragons and magic, dude" so why don't we just throw in anything we want or PR team wants from us, because Cyberpunk sales are huge.

Purple doesn't mean cyberpunk. I don't like the art direction for DA3/4, and I am disapointed its not going back to attempting realism and gore, but this angle of attack is very strange.
If anything, purple ended up in the cyberpunk neon aesthetic because it was used IRL to make things seem more eerie, warlocky, fantasy-like. Its an unnatural color, that you add to be more outworldly and strange. Its a fantasy thing that made its way to sci-fi, not the other way around.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Its a fantasy thing

Knowing the devs, it's probably something else entirely...

And re: cyberpunk, it definitely is a cyberpunk thing as well. Meant to evoke neon lights and what not, with it being an 'unnatural color' likewise being there to represent the cyber part of cyberpunk (a.i. futurism, dehumanization of the 'natural' individual through technology etc etc).

 

[moon knight]

2. Witcher is preachy about it. DAO shows elves being oppressed but it also shows elves doing evil shit like Zevran and Zathrian. It doesn't become a onesided Humans Bad Elves Good virtue signal until the sequels but Witcher is always onesided to the point Geralt the monster hunter constantly goes off about how monsters aren't bad and humans are the real monsters

One word. Scoia'tael

 

[Skinwalker]

BG3 would be much better without woke nonsense.

My guy, I'd be honest with you.

Learn the difference between subjective opinion and Objective fact.

Objective fact: BG3 is woke trash.

Subjective opinion: your arguments are nonsense, because I said so.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

DAO shows elves being oppressed but it also shows elves doing evil shit like Zevran and Zathrian.

Werwolf terror tactics and Quisling style collaboration seems plenty evil, no?

 

[Swen]

BioWare shows us that the game is going to be unabashedly woke so one more reason not buy it.

If game/show is good, woke or not woke is irrelevant. Baldur's Gate 3 already set that precedent.

BG3 isn't really woke because you can kill anyone you don't like and continue the game.

 

[gurugeorge]

DAO is a generic dark epic fantasy, most inspirations come from LotR, The Witcher books (pariah-like elves, warden initiation ritual) and ASoIAF (political tensions).

Oh, your game has "political tensions"? You are an ASoIaF copy. Its over for you, you are derivative work.
Origins wasn't typical, it had a bunch of things to separate it from the generic medieval fantasy - the mages/templars relation, the demons/veil relation to magic, the "paladins" being a NGO and more gray, the initiation ritual scene, the dwarves relation to magic, each other, and golems, stuff like that. It didn't feel generic the way that Oblivion did on release, for example.

I agree. The nice thing about DAO lore was that it treated the idea "what if magic were real?" semi-seriously (I mean as opposed to something like the TES lore, where everyone and their mother can do minor magic but it seems to have zero impact on the world) - so it's a rare-ish ability some people have , it's a game changer, it has to be safeguarded otherwise magic users go crazy, etc., etc.

The DAO lore in terms of the way magic and demons and all that are handled is pretty close to "real" occultism - the Fade is pretty much occultism's "Astral Plane" and the demons being treated as tricksy entities is very "real magic" too. I always thought that was a cool aspect of the lore.

 

[Semiurge]

Its a fantasy thing

Knowing the devs, it's probably something else entirely...

And re: cyberpunk, it definitely is a cyberpunk thing as well. Meant to evoke neon lights and what not, with it being an 'unnatural color' likewise being there to represent the cyber part of cyberpunk (a.i. futurism, dehumanization of the 'natural' individual through technology etc etc).

It's...

 

[Camel]

My guy, I'd be honest with you.

Learn the difference between subjective opinion and Objective fact.

The rest of your arguments are nonsense so I won't be bothered to read it.

If you come up with something better, I'd be open for further discussion.

People here more or less discussed the Veilguard, Dragon Age and BioWare in general. You came and immediately derailed the thread with chuds, chuds, chuds. Just like you lot do on 4chan by shitposting and chudjacks.

 

[Brancaleone]

Its a fantasy thing

Knowing the devs, it's probably something else entirely...

And re: cyberpunk, it definitely is a cyberpunk thing as well. Meant to evoke neon lights and what not, with it being an 'unnatural color' likewise being there to represent the cyber part of cyberpunk (a.i. futurism, dehumanization of the 'natural' individual through technology etc etc).

It's...

... only if you add greenish.

 

[Hace El Oso]

2. Witcher is preachy about it. DAO shows elves being oppressed but it also shows elves doing evil shit like Zevran and Zathrian. It doesn't become a onesided Humans Bad Elves Good virtue signal until the sequels but Witcher is always onesided to the point Geralt the monster hunter constantly goes off about how monsters aren't bad and humans are the real monsters

One word. Scoia'tael

Super cool freedom fighter commandos, what about them?

 

[mastroego]

So I finally read through the transcribed discord Q&A and apparently they're shying away from using "race" as a term now? Has that always been a thing or is it just a modernism?

Q: What do you mean by lineage?

John Epler: Lineage is the term we use for Elf/Human/Dwarf/Qunari.

Clever.
So a few months down the road from now - the term "race" having been banned for good - when anyone will dare mentioning someone else's lineage, he will be accused of lineagism.
Racism truly and well defeated.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Low energy thread tbqh.

Low-energy CRPG.

 

[PunchYouInTheFace]

Objective fact: BG3 is woke trash.

Wrong, Stinkwalker.

more or less

Genuinely chuckled. More or less. LMAO. Bugger off, Chudmel!

40 years ago people weren't little Hitlers running around and spraying swastikas on synagogues.

You from pepperidge farm or sum?

Still to say that reparations for post colonial nations is some western leftist idea is pretty naive to me.

It is naive. But it's not new nor perfect. Dutch paid reparations for some Indonesian but only per-case basis.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2741XX/
https://historibersama.com/refusing-dutch-offer-for-damages-bbc-indonesia/

But willingness to pay (thus admitting mistake), even for some damage, help the relations between the countries - much to the dismay of Indonesian defector in Dutch.

Also Indonesian are typically just cool people much like most of South East Asian countries I visited. Also since they won their territory and independence (unlike Native Indians) they're more willing to forgive.

 

[Cryomancer]

Will I be able to at least join Tevinter magocracy in this game? No or obvious no?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Will I be able to at least join Tevinter magocracy in this game? No or obvious no?

Overwhelmingly unlikely unfortunately. At best we might have it as a possible backstory if we pick the Shadow Dragons background since backstories are supposed to be subsequently refined through dialogue choices depending on background, but even that would have no impact besides a few token unique dialogue lines I bet.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Gives a whole new meaning to that "Never Fade Away" song))

bonus

 

[Fedora Master]

Will I be able to at least join Tevinter magocracy in this game? No or obvious no?

Stop sperging about Magic Empires

 

[Cryomancer]

Will I be able to at least join Tevinter magocracy in this game? No or obvious no?

Stop sperging about Magic Empires

No. First because there aren't many games where you can join a magocracy. Second, even without the magery, playing as a Tevinter > Playing as the """good guys"""" like :

BTW, the Veil is supposed to be a DANGEROUS place. Similar to the immaterium in wh40k. Not this shit.

By the 90s, the subversion of the Western academy was already done and dusted, and the amount of propaganda on tv

Yes, TBH the subversion of US started after WW2, with Frankfurt school. The first thing to be infected was the academia.