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Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

Raghar

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Some of fantasy writing highlights so far:

Oof
'kay, bye
Non-binary
Trans
Fire/under fire
(no firearms)
It didn't make the print (no printing in the setting, char talks about a newspaper article)

Game is set 20 years after Origins, but some of the clothing is straight up 19th century. Like, daym, we were ghetto slumming in Origins
They put 300 years worth of research into clothing industry. That's the way how they should live their lives. Work hard as peasants, bad salary, but cheap clothes they can buy every month new one, or perhaps every day shopping for new cute clothes.

That's how their society is going. Luckily they didn't invented cell phones yet.
 

Warrax

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With Dragon Age: Veilguard, Bioware finally succeeds in making a game for their elusive "modern audience": low-IQ transgender preteens of color who need instructions on how to mash button for awesome.
 
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Now we wait for sales I guess. I'm very interested in what EA expectations were and what their benchmark for a "success" is for Vilguard. The devil is in the details, or, in this case, the sustainability after the initial hype. Dragon's Dogma 2, a game that sold way more than this, struggled with its long term sales after the initial hype died off - for context, there was a huge hype by us DD fans because we expected the sequel to be a better title than the first, the original director was also at the helm so we were pretty hopeful - mainly because he directed DMC 5 which secured confidence. Dragon's Dogma 2 cashed in on all the built up goodwill from us fans for its 2 mil something sales. When people realized just how poorly the game ran, streamlined mechanics, unfinished story, bad implementation of pawn system, etc; the game got negative steam reviews and now sits at 'mixed' steam ratings. DD 2 sales have struggled ever since, see: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/explanation/2024/2nd/explanation_2024_2nd_01.pdf

To add to the shit cake, the Director would leave Capcom, post support for DD 2 would be pretty much non-existent, and Capcom would prioritize its resources on Monster Hunter instead.

Now that was a game that sold way, way, more than Veilguard. Had way, way, more players. Plus it had some serious organic support from enthusiastic fans. Vileguard on the other hand relied heavily on manufactured, aggressive, marketing - EA must have paid a lot of money for that, and even then it still didn't scratch the top ten (for context Elden Ring, DD 2, DMC 5, all did) so it's going to be interesting to see the sustainability after the fact - no way they're recouping costs from marketing alone. I personally believe this is a dud but we won't know for sure until months later.

I've seen articles proclaim this launch as *the* 'biggest' for Bioware, but again, as others have noted, this is Bioware's first release on steam on day one. Steam has a bigger potential market for games than the proprietary service EA uses - I'm not saying releasing on steam will give you an immediate hit, but it does help, a lot.

Here's my uneducated dumb dumb opinion: I believe earnestly that the LGTBQ+ elements, the political preaching from the rainbow freaks, did way more harm in instilling confidence than anything else. I think even as a shit RPG with poor game design Vileguard could have secured more sales if it didn't neuture itself with the poor fan service on offer - no sexy companions, terrible ass/boob slider, tranny shit, DEI compromises, etc. I think if you make sexy, attractive, characters you can sell off of that alone: The First Descendant had way more players because of its fan service (said players will drop but it still pulled a crap ton of players because of its attractive character design); another example is the entirety of the Gacha industry which doesn't even have gameplay in some instances, just trading cards with hot waifus, and that industry makes over a billion dollars a year. You can't have a bad game with also bad fan service and expect it to sell as much as your competitors, you got to at least do one thing right.

Another thing I'm looking forward to is the normie perception. Very interested in how normies recieve this title. It's only been a day so far so its in the air if the game will get a super low metacritic score, get negatively review bombed, maybe have juicy controversy, etc. I'm not really hopeful in this front though since normies have gotten even dumber over the years.

This is a wrong read of things. Monster Hunter Wilds was in development alongside Dragon’s Dogma 2, and is made by a completely different internal studio within Capcom. It’s not like Dragon’s Dogma 2 did what it did and Capcom just prioritized a new Monster Hunter over it. If anything a new Monster Hunter would’ve been prioritized years before, after World turned out to be a massive success for Capcom. We’ve also known about Wilds since the 2020 Capcom leak, which has a pre COVID schedule...so a schedule that was put together in late 2019 or early 2020 before the COVID lockdowns.

Hideaki Itsuno leaving also doesn’t close the down on later Dragon’s Dogma 2 updates. The Dark Arisen update wasn’t even directed by Itsuno, when Dragon’s Dogma came out him and his team moved on to doing Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition, while Kento Kinoshita (who would later do Dragon’s Dogma Online) and some team members did Dark Arisen.

My guess is Itsuno left Capcom because he wants to do fighting game stuff, and probably went somewhere where he can do that. The Capcom leak had a new Power Stone (which is an Itsuno game) on there. I’m thinking the original plan was for him to go into production on that, a new fighting game, which once Dragon’s Dogma 2 wrapped. But I think since those original plans Capcom made a new deal to do a new Marvel vs Capcom game, which probably put a damper on the production of Power Stone...since that would mean Capcom would have three fighting games in the marketplace at the same time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Itsuno turns up at SNK.




As far as this game goes, it’s easy to say it’s the gay and trans stuff which is why the game did so bad, because you watch videos of the game and it’s all so badly done and dumb. But, I’d say it’s the writing itself that hurt it. Even if the shit we’ve seen wasn’t about gender identity or whatever hamfisted messaging they’re trying to handle...it’s still be horrible. Now, as is, it’s obnoxious, but regardless, it would’ve been painful and eye-roll inducing. The footage of the player character dealing with party members like they’re talking to two years olds is just as confusing placed as everything else. The game’s writing keeps getting compared to Marvel stuff, but the worst written Marvel movie or game isn’t anywhere close to being this bad...and Midnight Suns had some stupid shit in it. This game feels like it was written as someone weird vanity project, like some indie movie made by someone that isn’t really a director, actor, or writer but happens to have enough money to get a movie made; it doesn’t feel like a professional production.
 

Alienman

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Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Codex Year of the Donut Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
So the blight is a German on the Normandy beach manning a MG42. How they hell can there be another blight already? You dodged one burst, by pure luck and much suffering, that essentially destroyed the whole country. Just for the bad guy to reload and throw you five more in seconds. Wtf...
 

Skinwalker

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As far as this game goes, it’s easy to say it’s the gay and trans stuff which is why the game did so bad, because you watch videos of the game and it’s all so badly done and dumb. But, I’d say it’s the writing itself that hurt it. Even if the shit we’ve seen wasn’t about gender identity or whatever hamfisted messaging they’re trying to handle...it’s still be horrible.
And yet, virtually every pro-tranny and ultra-woke project, be it video game, movie, tv series, or whatever, gives off the impression that it was written by mentally disabled people and/or literal psychopaths.

And I doubt there is a single example of a non-woke project that has such an abysmal level of quality.
 

cioran

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How they hell can there be another blight already?
I'm assuming the answer is unironically "the elves did it."
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Elttharion

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"Eating around the dick" is truly a perfect way to describe modern gaming experience

The best decision you can make on a game like this is your own
I hate when streamers say this. Dude you get the game for free, plus sponsors, plus merch, plus getting flown to the studio to meet the devs, plus ads, etc. At least be a decent shill, dont pretend to play both sides.
 

Cael

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"Eating around the dick" is truly a perfect way to describe modern gaming experience

The best decision you can make on a game like this is your own
I hate when streamers say this. Dude you get the game for free, plus sponsors, plus merch, plus getting flown to the studio to meet the devs, plus ads, etc. At least be a decent shill, dont pretend to play both sides.

I don't know Asmond, but cohh has been a certified woketard for years now. His twitch channel is like your local SBI chapter.
 

Reinhardt

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Every time I read the positive steam reviews I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I don't understand how this even has a 70+ positive rating.

From what I've seen, the main reason is the game has good graphical fidelity and is well optimized (which is pretty remarkable for a AAA these days). The music is also nice, the hair looks great. And let's be honest, people are afraid that if they criticize the game they will be called a bigot. Which is probably a big deal in the social media world of today's kids.
i would be afraid to be called polish dish too.
 

Laz Sundays

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I don't know Asmond, but cohh has been a certified woketard for years now. His twitch channel is like your local SBI chapter.

"Cohh" is that sound they make when they start eating one.

"The game is a mixed bag" ..yeah, of dicks. Bon Appétit, Monsieur "Cohh" :lol:
 

Darkwind

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Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut Codex+ Now Streaming! Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
A mainstream media outlet actually lights this bag of shit on fire and steps on it in public for all to see and smell instead of quietly huffing the shit fumes and saying it smells like roses.

Kudos and props to Forbes for still having enough balls to go against the narrative.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...political-messaging-does-more-harm-than-good/

Money quote---

The best way to convince someone of your own point-of-view is generally not to bash them over the head with a cudgel, though that seems to be the preferred approach in modern political discourse and, alas, in entertainment. The culture, being what it is, has lost all sense of subtlety. In far too many films, TV shows and video games, we see a heavy-handed, top-down approach to the issues of the day. It’s a real shame that the developers at BioWare decided to go this route in Dragon Age: The Veilguard.
 

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