Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

[Mauman]

I'll believe JTSmash, Endymion, and a whole slew of others before I believe Jason Choder.

Guy is lying narcissist little bitch.

 

[Vic]

At best BioWare will take a hit and MAYBE (it is a very big "maybe") some companies will take notice that excessive wokeism doesn't pay (and that you still need a game to be decent on its own merits at the end of the day). But I personally think for that to happen there have to be more financial disasters so the whole process is proven as sustainable no longer.

I'm pretty sure they aren't making their games woke to sell more. They get paid by certain parties who want to change public opinion. So they get a big paycheck to add DEI to their games and basically use their game as a medium to send a message. That's why they're probably fine to take a hit in sales. It's like when Coke or Pepsi used to pay film studios for the actor to drink their brand in the movie.

Source: my ass.

 

[Harthwain]

I'm pretty sure they aren't making their games woke to sell more. They get paid by certain parties who want to change public opinion. [...] Source: my ass.

I am not really buying that. It is one thing to pay for marketing or PR. Buy making videogames as way to "change public opinion" for a company like EA (which is notoriously greedy)? I'd rather chalk that up to them trying to capitalize on what they think the public wants (and them choosing poorly. You can push the envelope only so far).

Just look at how they changed the marketing for Star Wars: The Force Awakens in China compared to rest of the world or how Disney acted with the movie Mulan (2020) to have it shown in China and appeal to the viewers there (it didn't work, but that's besides the point). You can also already see that wokeism is going broke in places: elephants are no longer hotly welcome in the fashion shows. Same goes for Victoria's Street no longer pursing "body positivity". To me the answer is clear: no money. Why? Because apparently people aren't buying it, and if they aren't buying it, then the market responds.

 

[Modron]

I'm pretty sure they aren't making their games woke to sell more.

Why pay when canadians, californians, and eurocucks will spread the message for free at the cost of burning down decades old studios?

 

[Tyranicon]

Don't come to youtube tomorrow.

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I didn't actually watch the video but the thumbnail was too hilarious to pass up. I actually find this guy crazy talented from watching his gamedev videos, but he might be going a little too hard in this direction.

 

[Mauman]

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Don't come to youtube tomorrow.

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I didn't actually watch the video but the thumbnail was too hilarious to pass up. I actually find this guy crazy talented from watching his gamedev videos, but he might be going a little too hard in this direction.

Oh yeah, Mr. "I didn't want to make this video".

Find him kind of hard to watch. No particular reason. Something just doesn't resonate for me with him.

 

[Vic]

I am not really buying that. It is one thing to pay for marketing or PR. Buy making videogames as way to "change public opinion" for a company like EA (which is notoriously greedy)? I'd rather chalk that up to them trying to capitalize on what they think the public wants (and them choosing poorly. You can push the envelope only so far).

But what if the paycheck they get for adding DEI is larger than the projected loss in sales? It's just my theory of course but I believe it to be true. They are fighting the current status quo to slowly change public opinion to accept minorities and LGBTQ+ as part of mainstream media. Is their ultimate goal simply more profit in the future because they can appeal to more demographics or is it a more ideological or political reason? I think it all comes down to money in the end, so the parties that invest in it now can reap the rewards in the future. In this case it could even be EA itself that tries to "plow the field" so to speak.

 

[Harthwain]

But what if the paycheck they get for adding DEI is larger than the projected loss in sales?

We shall see what happens to BioWare after Veilguard and next Mass Effect.

They are fighting the current status quo to slowly change public opinion to accept minorities and LGBTQ+ as part of mainstream media. Is their ultimate goal simply more profit in the future because they can appeal to more demographics or is it a more ideological or political reason?

I think the corporate suits want money. It is the dumb developers who try to push their own agendas into gaming and they are allowed to do so as long it is profitable. By the way, keep in mind that the practice of buying gaming "journalists" to produce whatever media coverage needed at the time was a thing long before woke came into picture.

You don't even have to pay them with money. When Assassin's Creed 2 (an Ubisoft game) was coming out reviewers had to promise good scores before getting a review copy. As a result one of the gaming magazines at the time (Computer Bild Spiele) simply had to wait to buy its own copy and then spilled the beans on why it took so long for a review to appear. There are also useful idiots who'll do it for free or because it is expected from your outlet to be "supportive" of whatever views your outlet's owner wants and he's paying your bills. I personally heard an excuse from one "journalist" that they need to have good relationship with publishers so they get accepted into exclusive events so they can cover fresh news there. Which pretty much turns these people into a marketing extension of PR departments of publishers.

Now, that you have YouTube and other streaming sites, you can simply see the game for yourself. And recently Steam made developers start producing demos, too. As much as some people want to shit on Steam, it was a rather positive influence over the years. What I fear is what happens when Gaben is gone, because I am sure he's a gamer at heart and he's the one making sure everything is OK. But as soon as he's gone someone will probably try to seize the Steam's dominant position on the market. So holding tight on GOG, as much as possible, is a smart idea with this in mind.

 

[Warrax]

I am not really buying that. It is one thing to pay for marketing or PR. Buy making videogames as way to "change public opinion" for a company like EA (which is notoriously greedy)? I'd rather chalk that up to them trying to capitalize on what they think the public wants (and them choosing poorly. You can push the envelope only so far).

But what if the paycheck they get for adding DEI is larger than the projected loss in sales? It's just my theory of course but I believe it to be true. They are fighting the current status quo to slowly change public opinion to accept minorities and LGBTQ+ as part of mainstream media. Is their ultimate goal simply more profit in the future because they can appeal to more demographics or is it a more ideological or political reason? I think it all comes down to money in the end, so the parties that invest in it now can reap the rewards in the future. In this case it could even be EA itself that tries to "plow the field" so to speak.

If they shove more DEI into EA games, their ESG scores will go up. That means ESG investor groups will buy more EA stock, and shareholders will be happy, as long as the gains offset the cost of making the game. There's no benefit to Bioware, but there is to EA.

There is something really creepy about this game. The way it's rated Mature but clearly made for very young kids. How there's an adult tranny that is supposedly 20+ years old but obviously acts like a teenager and has problems only thirteen-year-olds have. How every conversation sounds like a group therapy session. Normally I'm cautious about claims of gay propaganda targeted at children, but there's something really wrong here.

 

[scytheavatar]

I am not really buying that. It is one thing to pay for marketing or PR. Buy making videogames as way to "change public opinion" for a company like EA (which is notoriously greedy)? I'd rather chalk that up to them trying to capitalize on what they think the public wants (and them choosing poorly. You can push the envelope only so far).

But what if the paycheck they get for adding DEI is larger than the projected loss in sales? It's just my theory of course but I believe it to be true. They are fighting the current status quo to slowly change public opinion to accept minorities and LGBTQ+ as part of mainstream media. Is their ultimate goal simply more profit in the future because they can appeal to more demographics or is it a more ideological or political reason? I think it all comes down to money in the end, so the parties that invest in it now can reap the rewards in the future. In this case it could even be EA itself that tries to "plow the field" so to speak.

"Non Woke Veilguard" can sell 3 times the amount it currently is selling and that still makes for rather meh sales for a AAA title in development since 2018. The talent level of current Bioware simply is a far cry from what they had in the DAO/ME days so expecting Baldur's Gate 3 sales numbers from DA4 was always unrealistic. Doesn't help that Veilguard is safe and nothing we haven't seen a million times already.

 

[Vic]

There's no benefit to Bioware

I'm sure the studio gets their cut from the DEI bribe.

 

[Mauman]

Normally I'm cautious about claims of gay propaganda targeted at children, but there's something really wrong here.

I suppose everyone gets a wakeup call somehow. Mine came from looking into the books that the so-called "don't say gay" bill wanted to ban.

Lost a bit of my faith in humanity with that one.

 

[Skinwalker]

Is Failguard already a dead game?

 

[Yosharian]

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Don't come to youtube tomorrow.

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I didn't actually watch the video but the thumbnail was too hilarious to pass up. I actually find this guy crazy talented from watching his gamedev videos, but he might be going a little too hard in this direction.

Oh yeah, Mr. "I didn't want to make this video".

Find him kind of hard to watch. No particular reason. Something just doesn't resonate for me with him.

He isn't anywhere near as talented as he thinks he is, his 'writing' videos are embarrassing

 

[Warrax]

There's no benefit to Bioware

I'm sure the studio gets their cut from the DEI bribe.

The studio gets jack shit because EA owns them. But Gary McKay who is the manager probably gets a raise. He probably also got a raise when he fired fifty of their old writers last year.

 

[Vic]

There's no benefit to Bioware

I'm sure the studio gets their cut from the DEI bribe.

The studio gets jack shit because EA owns them. But Gary McKay who is the manager probably gets a raise. He probably also got a raise when he fired fifty of their old writers last year.

It might also be a bit more complicated than that. Think of all the extra work that needs to get done. All the sex scenes and gay dialogue. The "different" character designs. That's extra work time for the employees paid by the DEI money. And so on and so forth.

 

[kigmathelm]

I am not really buying that. It is one thing to pay for marketing or PR. Buy making videogames as way to "change public opinion" for a company like EA (which is notoriously greedy)? I'd rather chalk that up to them trying to capitalize on what they think the public wants (and them choosing poorly. You can push the envelope only so far).

But what if the paycheck they get for adding DEI is larger than the projected loss in sales? It's just my theory of course but I believe it to be true. They are fighting the current status quo to slowly change public opinion to accept minorities and LGBTQ+ as part of mainstream media. Is their ultimate goal simply more profit in the future because they can appeal to more demographics or is it a more ideological or political reason? I think it all comes down to money in the end, so the parties that invest in it now can reap the rewards in the future. In this case it could even be EA itself that tries to "plow the field" so to speak.

If they shove more DEI into EA games, their ESG scores will go up. That means ESG investor groups will buy more EA stock, and shareholders will be happy, as long as the gains offset the cost of making the game. There's no benefit to Bioware, but there is to EA.

This however will die eventually when enough people realize that ESG is a scam for investors and isn't really beneficial to anyone but ESG consultant agencies. But it may take years or even decades as these grifters are good at convincing everyone that companies with high ESG ratings win in the end.

Professor Aswath Damodaran talked a lot about it (he is focusing more on 'E' part of ESG, but still).

https://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-esg-movement-goodness-gravy-train.html

 

[Vic]

People will eventually accept woke in games. All the internet warriors in the world can't do shit against the power of the dollar. And if the big new games are all woke then what are people gonna do? Pick up gardening as their new hobby? They're gonna buy the games and slowly get accustomed to the woke. It happened with blacks, it happened with women and now it's happening with LGBTQ+. Why? Because trannies have wallets.

 

[Cryomancer]

f the big new games are all woke then what are people gonna do?

Play old games. Play Chinese/Korean games.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

f the big new games are all woke then what are people gonna do?

Play old games. Play Chinese/Korean games.

Chinese/Koreans love mobile gatcha type of games. It's just better to change hobby.

 

[sebas]

Just wait for Stellar Blade to launch on PC, be a giant success and then studios be reminded that the market is not some California college debate class.

 

[Modron]

Just wait for Stellar Blade to launch on PC, be a giant success and then studios be reminded that the market is not some California college debate creative writing/interpretive dance/gender studies class.

 

[Lacrymas]

I am not really buying that. It is one thing to pay for marketing or PR. Buy making videogames as way to "change public opinion" for a company like EA (which is notoriously greedy)? I'd rather chalk that up to them trying to capitalize on what they think the public wants (and them choosing poorly. You can push the envelope only so far).

But what if the paycheck they get for adding DEI is larger than the projected loss in sales? It's just my theory of course but I believe it to be true. They are fighting the current status quo to slowly change public opinion to accept minorities and LGBTQ+ as part of mainstream media. Is their ultimate goal simply more profit in the future because they can appeal to more demographics or is it a more ideological or political reason? I think it all comes down to money in the end, so the parties that invest in it now can reap the rewards in the future. In this case it could even be EA itself that tries to "plow the field" so to speak.

If they shove more DEI into EA games, their ESG scores will go up. That means ESG investor groups will buy more EA stock, and shareholders will be happy, as long as the gains offset the cost of making the game. There's no benefit to Bioware, but there is to EA.

There is something really creepy about this game. The way it's rated Mature but clearly made for very young kids. How there's an adult tranny that is supposedly 20+ years old but obviously acts like a teenager and has problems only thirteen-year-olds have. How every conversation sounds like a group therapy session. Normally I'm cautious about claims of gay propaganda targeted at children, but there's something really wrong here.

It's rated mature because of the infamous discrimination against LGBTs by the rating boards. Everything smelling vaguely queer is automatically branded mature, no matter how tame or non-explicit.

 

[catfood]

 

[Necrensha]

People will eventually accept woke in games.

You cannot change the nature of a man.