Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

[Vic]

People will eventually accept woke in games.

You cannot change the nature of a man.

True, people will always eat up whatever the media feeds them.

 

[Modron]

True, people will always eat up whatever the media feeds them.

Old music makes up the majority of sales and woke games are bombing leading to studio closures left and right. I think you greatly overestimate people's tolerance to the message. I suppose if you're an englander and you only have the option to choose between what flavor of diverse tv shows you watch you might get that impression.

 

[Necrensha]

True, people will always eat up whatever the media feeds them.

Considering that Steam's top 10 has barely changed over the last decade and the influx of videos declaring that gaming is dead plus the nonstop barrage of AAA flops, nope, I believe that all the money in the world will accomplish nothing but make the normies increasingly likely to just abandon gaming rather than start eating the rainbow.

 

[Vic]

Considering that Steam's top 10 has barely changed over the last decade

Based on current players:

1. Counter Strike 2 (2012)
2. Dota 2 (2013)
3. PUBG (2017)
4. NARAKA (2021)
5. Apex Legends (2020)
6. Call of Duty (2022)
7. Rust (2018)
8. GTAV (2015)
9. Black Myth: Wukong (2024)
10. Throne and Liberty (2024)

That's 7/10 games that didn't exist a decade ago.

all the money in the world will accomplish nothing but make the normies increasingly likely to just abandon gaming rather than start eating the rainbow.

You have it backwards; it's the normies they're after because that's where the money is. Normies don't have strong opinions on games. They will buy the latest big new game over and over again. By casting a wide net and including as many ethnic groups and gender identities they can increase the number of people that would buy their game because it "appeals" to them. That's what a mass market product is. By trying to appeal to many it inevitably turns to shit and can't really satisfy anybody. But again that's not important if we're dealing with normies who only casually play games.

 

[Cryomancer]

That's 7/10 games that didn't exist a decade ago.

Black Myth caused massive butthurt among journos by not being woke. GTA 5 was made before the extreme woke insanity come. People hated the new Saints Row. Throne and liberty is a Korean game that only recently was launched in the west. Naraka is Asian and not woke, Googled NARAKA gameplay and you will find beautiful woman in the first thumbnail.

So yes, even normies don't like woke bugfests. Except by Baizuo's Gate 3, IDK any very woke game that succeeded. Forspoken? Failguard? Concord? Flintlock Siege of Dawn?

Chinese/Koreans love mobile gatcha type of games. It's just better to change hobby.

Stellar blade and Monkey game disagrees. I don't like Gatcha, but what is the difference between Eastern Gatcha and Western "lootbox"?

 

[thesecret1]

what is the difference between Eastern Gatcha and Western "lootbox"?

Western lootbox gives you a rainbow skin on your gun. Eastern gacha gives you a waifu with massive honkers.

 

[Vic]

So yes, even normies don't like woke bugfests. Except by Baizuo's Gate 3, IDK any very woke game that succeeded.

But that wasn't my point, Victor.

Yes, normies are still fighting against the woke but the media has been grooming them for years now and they are slowly coming along. They can get away with more and more faggotry and the backlash is going down. You can only get upset about the same shit so many times - except on the codex. This game despite all the woke has a 73% positive/acceptance rating. BG3 GOTY. Spread your butt cheeks goyim, you're in for a ride.

 

[Necrensha]

You have it backwards; it's the normies they're after because that's where the money is. Normies don't have strong opinions on games. They will buy the latest big new game over and over again. By casting a wide net and including as many ethnic groups and gender identities they can increase the number of people that would buy their game because it "appeals" to them. That's what a mass market product is. By trying to appeal to many it inevitably turns to shit and can't really satisfy anybody. But again that's not important if we're dealing with normies who only casually play games.

Avengers
Anthem
Concord
Gotham Knights
Saints Row reboot
Forspoken
Babylon's Fall
Redfall
All had extreme budgets, all were the ''latest thing'', all failed catastrophically.
I know that BG3 will be quoted as somehow meaning that the normies are accepting wokeness, but the truth is that BG3 had:
-A viral marketing campaign(bear sex)
-Larian has a huge previous success with OS2
-D&D has become huge in recent years
-It can be played co-op
-Being able to have your whole party naked is something that you do not see outside porn games
-It's also a renown franchise, even if nobody in the current year has heard or played the first two
BG3 has massive appeal regardless of wokeness, that's why is so popular.

 

[Vic]

Avengers
Anthem
Concord
Gotham Knights
Saints Row reboot
Forspoken
Babylon's Fall
Redfall
All had extreme budgets, all were the ''latest thing'', all failed catastrophically.
I know that BG3 will be quoted as somehow meaning that the normies are accepting wokeness, but the truth is that BG3 had:
-A viral marketing campaign(bear sex)
-Larian has a huge previous success with OS2
-D&D has become huge in recent years
-It can be played co-op
-Being able to have your whole party naked is something that you do not see outside porn games
-It's also a renown franchise, even if nobody in the current year has heard or played the first two
BG3 has massive appeal regardless of wokeness, that's why is so popular.

So the games you mentioned failed because they were woke, but BG3 succeeded despite being woke? That's a bit of a double standard innit? How about those games failed because they weren't good? Just like Veilguard. I don't believe this game "flopped" because of the woke but because it's just a mediocre game at best. If it was good normies would be slurping it up right now, despite the gay stuff.

 

[Orud]

Avengers
Anthem
Concord
Gotham Knights
Saints Row reboot
Forspoken
Babylon's Fall
Redfall
All had extreme budgets, all were the ''latest thing'', all failed catastrophically.
I know that BG3 will be quoted as somehow meaning that the normies are accepting wokeness, but the truth is that BG3 had:
-A viral marketing campaign(bear sex)
-Larian has a huge previous success with OS2
-D&D has become huge in recent years
-It can be played co-op
-Being able to have your whole party naked is something that you do not see outside porn games
-It's also a renown franchise, even if nobody in the current year has heard or played the first two
BG3 has massive appeal regardless of wokeness, that's why is so popular.

It also helps that BG3 had actual good gameplay and a semi coherent plot compared to all the other examples you listed.

Also, while some call BG3 a bug ridden game, it's nowhere near the severity of Saint's Row at its release. Saint's Row was downright unplayable at certain times.

If Dragon Age Veilguard was a good game behind all the wokeness, people would buy it. But it's simply not.

 

[damager]

Considering that Steam's top 10 has barely changed over the last decade

Based on current players:

1. Counter Strike 2 (2012)
2. Dota 2 (2013)
3. PUBG (2017)
4. NARAKA (2021)
5. Apex Legends (2020)
6. Call of Duty (2022)
7. Rust (2018)
8. GTAV (2015)
9. Black Myth: Wukong (2024)
10. Throne and Liberty (2024)

That's 7/10 games that didn't exist a decade ago.

Most of these games are just old af

 

[Igge]

It seems some players identify as non-buyinary, others realize that being a buyer is not who they truly are and transition into refundees. Isn't diveristy beautiful

 

[BrotherFrank]

 

[damager]

That's pretty racist against blacks now though

Edit: lol they only take from "oldforgotten ruins and CRAP" but even that is too problematic, if you take it from a oppressed, non white cultures

there's truly a lot of fun left in this game!

 

[Lord_Potato]

People will eventually accept woke in games.

You cannot change the nature of a man.

Bitch, please...

 

[Vic]

People will eventually accept woke in games.

You cannot change the nature of a man.

Bitch, please...

Spoiler

You didn't finish it, did you?

 

[Stoned Ape]

Korean webcomic authors are light years ahead of Bioware when it comes to writing fantasy stories.

The hero of 'The Knight King who Returned with a God' is disgusted by other characters willingness to accept savage species such as orcs or demon worshipping tribesmen and is proven right to enforce his beliefs despite modern sensibilities.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Spoiler

You didn't finish it, did you?

Spoiler

How dare you?

 

[Wasteland]

lol, great find. I enjoyed the replies:

 

[n0wh3r3]

So what's the general consensus on the game?

 

[Konjad]

So what's the general consensus on the game?

it's quite decent

 

[Vic]

Korean webcomic authors are light years ahead of Bioware when it comes to writing fantasy stories.

You can't compare video game stories to regular stories, though. Video game stories must account for player agency and drive gameplay. The best written video game story is still fanfiction tier if you take out the gameplay and look at the story alone. Even PS:T which is not so much story driven but dialogue driven.

Now, if we look at writing as opposed to story, which includes dialogue, monologue, descriptions etc. then I think it's fair to judge the writing of a game even compared to other form of fiction. And from what I've seen the writing in this game is horseshit.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

So what's the general consensus on the game?

it's quite decent

It's kinda like Hogwarts Legacy, but gay(er). Meh game, bad DA game.

 

[Caim]

So what's the general consensus on the game?

 

[Lagole Gon]

Korean webcomic authors are light years ahead of Bioware when it comes to writing fantasy stories.

The hero of 'The Knight King who Returned with a God' is disgusted by other characters willingness to accept savage species such as orcs or demon worshipping tribesmen and is proven right to enforce his beliefs despite modern sensibilities.

I mean... I would rather read this comic than play Troonguard, but...

By the look of it, it's also just "modern trash with swords" and not fantasy.