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Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

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I'm trying to make a joke about alignments replaced by 35 genders, but WotC was going down that path already. I hope they're the next company to die.
 

Elttharion

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If I was a EA shareholder I would be mad.

These are commercial products. Give the gamers what they want. Why do you think the Japs always put in fan service?
Lolis sell trannies don't.
If that makes these hipster game developers uncomfortable they can find a different job.
Lolis are incredibly popular and yet they are pretty much unicorns at this point, both storefronts and payment processors ban any game that features them on sight.
 

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If I was a EA shareholder I would be mad.

These are commercial products. Give the gamers what they want. Why do you think the Japs always put in fan service?
Lolis sell trannies don't.
If that makes these hipster game developers uncomfortable they can find a different job.
Lolis are incredibly popular and yet they are pretty much unicorns at this point, both storefronts and payment processors ban any game that features them on sight.
For the people rating this incline: money always finds a way. There are both independent stores that allow this content and Japan is setting up their own payment processor to avoid the bans.
 

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Lolis are incredibly popular and yet they are pretty much unicorns at this point, both storefronts and payment processors ban any game that features them on sight.
For the people rating this incline:money always finds a wa. There are both independent stores that allow this content and Japan is setting up their own payment processor to avoid the bans.
I think wokeness and neo-puritanism made lolis an endangered species.
 

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That was fast


Andy Busche will be right at home.
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Ho fuck! 6E is going to be something.
Hopefully that something will be a 'return to form' leading to closure of WotC.

Damn, I'm hyped already!

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Doubtful assuming 5E is still doing well in print (no idea). The TTRPG audience for current WotC stuff really is this crowd. It's probably a good fit assuming that they're actually buying the TTRPG NOT-D&D stuff.
 

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I just LOVE how this correlates with WotC increasing tirades and messages about how much they want a SEQUEL TO BALDUR'S GATE 3.
This is it. This will be legendary. This will be pure cinema. A Kwisatz Haderach of computer role playing games. Able to perfectly see both male and female perspectives.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
 
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An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
I'd wager Veilguard's a kulturkampf totem for most mainstream game journalists with access to current and former Bioware devs in a way Andromeda and Anthem never were, Schreier included. Bioware made the game they wanted, the missionaries proselytised its divine brilliance and yet the savages would not be converted. Nay to honest appraisal lest the court ideology be subject to scrutiny.

We may well get a retrospective but there'll be likely be minimal acknowledgement or exploration of reasons for failure beyond the financials and the long dev time. Maybe with some gestures towards executive/publisher meddling as well even though I'm increasingly convinced that many on the team, the writers in particular, were given near total freedom to implement their bad ideas unchallenged based on some of Busche's statements in that interview.
 
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Elttharion

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An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
Schreier will probably talk about the previous reboots but afaik this iteration of the game was smooth sailing for Bioware.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
I'd wager Veilguard's a kulturkampf totem for most mainstream game journalists with access to current and former Bioware devs in a way Andromeda and Anthem never were, Schreier included. Bioware made the game they wanted, the missionaries proselytised its divine brilliance and yet the savages would not be converted. Nay to honest appraisal lest the court ideology be subject to scrutiny.

We may well get a retrospective but there'll be likely be minimal acknowledgement or exploration of reasons for failure beyond the financials. Maybe with some gestures towards executive/publisher meddling as well even though I'm increasingly convinced that many on the team, the writers in particular, were given near total freedom to implement their bad ideas unchallenged based on some of Busche's statements in that interview.
Well yeah, they're not gonna say "We filled the game with gay shit and it was horrible". Still plenty to talk about.
 
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An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
I'd wager Veilguard's a kulturkampf totem for most mainstream game journalists with access to current and former Bioware devs in a way Andromeda and Anthem never were, Schreier included. Bioware made the game they wanted, the missionaries proselytised its divine brilliance and yet the savages would not be converted. Nay to honest appraisal lest the court ideology be subject to scrutiny.

We may well get a retrospective but there'll be likely be minimal acknowledgement or exploration of reasons for failure beyond the financials. Maybe with some gestures towards executive/publisher meddling as well even though I'm increasingly convinced that many on the team, the writers in particular, were given near total freedom to implement their bad ideas unchallenged based on some of Busche's statements in that interview.
Well yeah, they're not gonna say "We filled the game with gay shit". Still plenty to talk about.
Doubtless, it'd just be nice to see a mainstream source reflect on the fact that excessive catering to niche personal identities and ideologies is alienating to most customers at the big budget end of the market.
 

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Doubtless, it'd just be nice to see a mainstream source reflect on the fact that excessive catering to niche personal identities and ideologies is alienating to most customers at the big budget end of the market.
All mainstream journos have been completely captured or are otherwise playing nice with the "industry," a term I used interchangeably for "a reeking mass of corporatized nepotism and talentless hacks."

At best, you can seek out some indie journos or even the grifters. Because at least the grifters don't kowtow to the industry.
 

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Well, it took over 200 pages, but it was inevitable from the start, and now we're here.

A discussion of yet another boring wRPG has reached its logical conclusion, and has been surpassed by the discussion of Lolis.

Lolis always win in the end.

So that being said, what are some of your favourite Lolis?

One of mine is Misha, from the critically acclaimed Uchi no Maid ga Uzasugiru!:

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An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
Does anyone genuinely believe Jason "Your studio is too WHITE, GOYIM" Schreier is going to give an honest story regarding bioware's latest flop when he literally said he didn't like the game and was just talking it up to own the chuds?
 

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An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
Does anyone genuinely believe Jason "Your studio is too WHITE, GOYIM" Schreier is going to give an honest story regarding bioware's latest flop when he literally said he didn't like the game and was just talking it up to own the chuds?
Doesn't he always blame some greedy managers for every failed game?
So Schreier will write something about how Failguard could have been the best DA game every if it wasn't for EA messing everything up. The brave devs tried everything but couldn't save the game in the end.
 

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An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
Does anyone genuinely believe Jason "Your studio is too WHITE, GOYIM" Schreier is going to give an honest story regarding bioware's latest flop when he literally said he didn't like the game and was just talking it up to own the chuds?
Doesn't he always blame some greedy managers for every failed game?
So Schreier will write something about how Failguard could have been the best DA game every if it wasn't for EA messing everything up. The brave devs tried everything but couldn't save the game in the end.
Well, they could have tried writing a Dragon Age game. But other than that, they've tried everything.
 
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An honest retrospective on DA4's development would be fascinating but I doubt we'll ever get one.

Why not? Schreier published very revealing development retrospectives for Mass Effect Andromeda and Anthem. I fully expect to see something similar for Veilguard, especially with all these layoffs. Those people are gonna talk.
I'd wager Veilguard's a kulturkampf totem for most mainstream game journalists with access to current and former Bioware devs in a way Andromeda and Anthem never were, Schreier included. Bioware made the game they wanted, the missionaries proselytised its divine brilliance and yet the savages would not be converted. Nay to honest appraisal lest the court ideology be subject to scrutiny.

We may well get a retrospective but there'll be likely be minimal acknowledgement or exploration of reasons for failure beyond the financials. Maybe with some gestures towards executive/publisher meddling as well even though I'm increasingly convinced that many on the team, the writers in particular, were given near total freedom to implement their bad ideas unchallenged based on some of Busche's statements in that interview.
Well yeah, they're not gonna say "We filled the game with gay shit". Still plenty to talk about.

If it’s Schreier or any mainstream outlets doing the reporting I doubt we hear much about the production phase of this game during the actual part that became The Veilguard. But we do probably hear about the early stuff like, like when it was an online game, and the earlier version of Dragon Age 4 before that. I don’t think Schreier is capable of honestly reporting on this like with Anthem do to the politics surrounding it.

There however do seem to be BioWare employees pissed off about the direction of the game and the studio give the leaks, so I’m sure we’ll hear about what was happening there.
 

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If it’s Schreier or any mainstream outlets doing the reporting I doubt we hear much about the production phase of this game during the actual part that became The Veilguard. But we do probably hear about the early stuff like, like when it was an online game, and the earlier version of Dragon Age 4 before that. I don’t think Schreier is capable of honestly reporting on this like with Anthem do to the politics surrounding it.

There however do seem to be BioWare employees pissed off about the direction of the game and the studio give the leaks, so I’m sure we’ll hear about what was happening there.
Wasn't his Blizzard book fairly comprehensive? Haven't read it, I was curious, but not sure I want to enrich rat man.
 

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The most important question that any expose of DAV needs to answer is how the fuck EA/Bioware could have thought the 9 Jun 2024 reveal trailer was a good idea. Like did EA test audience'd the game and everyone loved it? I am not sure Schreier wants to answer this question cause it's going to make the entire gaming industry look bad, like how is it possible nobody said "this looks lame" at the game?
 

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