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Drova: Forsaken Kin - 2D action RPG inspired by Gothic series

Marat

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I mean, the lore is pretty much that majority of people there are in fact "out of place, out of time", just like you, right?
No, one dialogue indicates most people in Drova were born there. I think it was one of the guards in the mine.

Nemeton was founded barely few decades ago, and is already at the verge of collapse,
It's not Nemeton that's collapsing, it is Drova that is dying.

Remnants just got established,
20 years ago.

The only thing unrealistic enough to fuck with my immersion, was the fact that factions don't seem to be interested at all in convincing newcomers to join them, they act like they're doing you a favour, while in this setting new people should be the most important asset to them. They should fight over new recruits, but instead they don't give a shit who you join.
True, but I can take that to mean their respective leaders are too busy with their own plans, which they kind of are.
 

Saark

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A Beautifully Desolate Campaign
True, but I can take that to mean their respective leaders are too busy with their own plans, which they kind of are.
I'd add to that that with the brewing hostilities between the two factions, that any new face the main factions haven't seen around yet are just as likely a spy or one of the smaller bandit factions, seeing how newcomers like us are pretty damn rare. Plus, we don't exactly go around talking about where we came from, and both factions are pre-occupied with the world literally on the cusp of extinction as the death fog is closing in bit by bit.

What made less sense to me, is that our runestone is apparently a pretty big deal, yet the fact we have one does not seem to warrant druids of either side to investigate or wanting to meet us until we jumped through their hoops, and then we immediately get sent off to do something pretty darn important because of the runestone we carry.
 

Marat

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What made less sense to me, is that our runestone is apparently a pretty big deal, yet the fact we have one does not seem to warrant druids of either side to investigate or wanting to meet us until we jumped through their hoops, and then we immediately get sent off to do something pretty darn important because of the runestone we carry.
It is a big deal, but that's not readily apparent. You can even show it to the druid lady teaching children in Nemeton and all she has to say is that the stone seems special. But it gave me the same impression.
 

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless. Also there needs to be some way to respec once you get access to spells. If you were putting points into Strength or Dex offensive spells are mostly useless without high Mind score. Also they seem to be more fitting for bow user as they can generate focus fast from range and you need focus to cast spells. They should give you a simple spell that also generates focus.
 

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless.
How dare you not like the classic gothic formula?

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless.
You're not supposed to play Gothic or Gothic-like games like an autist.

Exploring despite your level, coming to an impasse, and deciding if its worth it to try and get through a much stronger opponent is part of the charm.
 

ArchAngel

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Hmm, I am not liking that 75% of player power comes from his gear and with defenses 90% comes from gear. Basically bunch of enemies become pushovers as soon as you enter next chapter and get access to better gear. Seems fastest way to play the game is to ignore sidequests and exploring and just do main quest as fast as possible and then go back and do other stuff fast and painless.
You're not supposed to play Gothic or Gothic-like games like an autist.

Exploring despite your level, coming to an impasse, and deciding if its worth it to try and get through a much stronger opponent is part of the charm.
Not really. I prefer Baldur's Gate 1 way, it is way superior. You get +1 sword and you do 10% more damage but bonus damage is gained by leveling up and getting multiple attacks.
 

thesecret1

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Most of the best gear is accessible from the start of the game. I had the best weapon in the game while still in Act 1, as well as armor that outperformed any you can get from either faction at any point in the story by over 100%.
 

ArchAngel

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Most of the best gear is accessible from the start of the game. I had the best weapon in the game while still in Act 1, as well as armor that outperformed any you can get from either faction at any point in the story by over 100%.
I found a bunch of those (purple weapons) in Primal Forest which you cannot access until Chapter 2 or so. Then I think in Chapter 3 I could buy even better ones in Nemeton.
 

thesecret1

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Most of the best gear is accessible from the start of the game. I had the best weapon in the game while still in Act 1, as well as armor that outperformed any you can get from either faction at any point in the story by over 100%.
I found a bunch of those (purple weapons) in Primal Forest which you cannot access until Chapter 2 or so. Then I think in Chapter 3 I could buy even better ones in Nemeton.
You can complete all of Primal forest in chapter 1, and entirely skip chapter 2. And even those weapons are pathetic compared to the stuff you can find in ancient ruins from the get go (legendary-tier weapons) or weapons bought from the ruin raiders.
 

jackofshadows

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Yeah, both the progression and gear systems didn't impress me at all. On the other hand, the fact exploration is majorly rewarded is good.

I don't really care about faction stuff and just go to explore further and further.
 

ArchAngel

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Most of the best gear is accessible from the start of the game. I had the best weapon in the game while still in Act 1, as well as armor that outperformed any you can get from either faction at any point in the story by over 100%.
I found a bunch of those (purple weapons) in Primal Forest which you cannot access until Chapter 2 or so. Then I think in Chapter 3 I could buy even better ones in Nemeton.
You can complete all of Primal forest in chapter 1, and entirely skip chapter 2. And even those weapons are pathetic compared to the stuff you can find in ancient ruins from the get go (legendary-tier weapons) or weapons bought from the ruin raiders.
Ruins are guarded by high level enemies and you do not know where they are. Ruin Raiders are accesable once you do Missing quest which is again not easy until you get some of the better weapons you get access in Chapter 2 and 3
 

toro

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Most of the best gear is accessible from the start of the game. I had the best weapon in the game while still in Act 1, as well as armor that outperformed any you can get from either faction at any point in the story by over 100%.
I found a bunch of those (purple weapons) in Primal Forest which you cannot access until Chapter 2 or so. Then I think in Chapter 3 I could buy even better ones in Nemeton.
You can complete all of Primal forest in chapter 1, and entirely skip chapter 2. And even those weapons are pathetic compared to the stuff you can find in ancient ruins from the get go (legendary-tier weapons) or weapons bought from the ruin raiders.
Ruins are guarded by high level enemies and you do not know where they are. Ruin Raiders are accesable once you do Missing quest which is again not easy until you get some of the better weapons you get access in Chapter 2 and 3
Not really. I just managed to find all key parts for the Ruin Raiders quest at lvl 13 in chapter I. You just need to kill some Harpies ;)

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Once you complete the key then you have access to legendary items in Ede's shop.
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toro

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I know that Gothic did the same thing but it really pisses me off that you cannot finish the game without joining a faction.

[copied from steam]
So to get the good ending you need to do all of the Ruin Raider's quest.

1. Collect 7 bygone shards -> get dull gem key

2. Activate all 7 god shrines -> You can get map from ruin raiders

(side note - you can't get access to the final shrine until chapter 4, west of Remnant camp the road is blocked and doesn't clear until later in the story)

3. 7 shrines glowing = glowing gem key. Head to Drivanus's shrine and get his helmet.
 

thesecret1

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Most of the best gear is accessible from the start of the game. I had the best weapon in the game while still in Act 1, as well as armor that outperformed any you can get from either faction at any point in the story by over 100%.
I found a bunch of those (purple weapons) in Primal Forest which you cannot access until Chapter 2 or so. Then I think in Chapter 3 I could buy even better ones in Nemeton.
You can complete all of Primal forest in chapter 1, and entirely skip chapter 2. And even those weapons are pathetic compared to the stuff you can find in ancient ruins from the get go (legendary-tier weapons) or weapons bought from the ruin raiders.
Ruins are guarded by high level enemies and you do not know where they are. Ruin Raiders are accesable once you do Missing quest which is again not easy until you get some of the better weapons you get access in Chapter 2 and 3
You find ruins by exploring (duh) and they are only guarded by some harpies. You can kill those easily with just a couple bombs. Missing quest is piss easy, there's literally not a single difficult enemy blocking your progress there, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
 

whocares

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Beat it in about 30 hours. Did the pig heaven ending. A great game. It would probably be better to explore this world in 3d. But then there would be a chance we'd get Piranha Bytes-tier controls, so this is preferrable to that for sure.

The woke level here is mild. You get body types instead of sex, and half the soldiers are women, but other than that there's no preachy faggotry of any kind from what I've seen.

Completely agree with most of the criticisms here about the railroading in the third act and factions not being fleshed out enough/attractive enough to join, but you still have to join one. Just let me join the forest hippies you assholes, and don't force me to betray them without a second thought.

I also had an issue with the pacing where it's paradoxically too fast paced and slow paced at the same time. Basically, you're encouraged to explore and get lost in the woods. You get your ass kicked by whatever, and start coming up with plans how to cheese enemies without even knowing where you're going or what you'll find there. This is very fun. But as you do, you go from a useless scrub to someone OP without even intending to do so, and clear out most of the map from enemies. In my game when I reached the main city and joined them, I jumped from chapter 1 to 3, skipping 2 entirely. But even that is not enough progress, because if you keep doing the main quest and reach chapter 4 you unlock a whole new angle of character building, including more traversal options. But by that point you've explored most of the map, killed most of the monsters and don't remember where you've seen spots you couldn't access before. The fun of the game is in getting lost and exploring, but at the same time you're encouraged to rush chapter 4 to unlock the full suite of abilities. It's basicaly like playing a metroidvania but you unlock double jump 3/4 through the game.

I also thought it weird how the map is structured. You have 2 factions, but instead of going left from the starting village to get to one and right to get to another, the path right is blocked off initially. So you're forced to go to one faction first and when you reach them and realize they're all unwashed tards, the other faction is on the other end of the map now and it would take forever to get to them. And even so, I'd wager most people joined Nemeton on their first playthrough. And this further delays you doing the story missions and encourages to explore more of the world before you have access to all your skills.

But all of this is honestly whatever and refreshing - to consider a game's minor shortcomings when it's mostly competent and just falls short in some areas, and isn't pants on head retarded to a level that defies explanation, like most games are these days.

Also, completely shocked - it's made in Unity, has a large open map, plenty of static interactable objects, loot that stays on the ground forever, and isn't a slow wonky stuttering piece of shit. I never knew such a thing was possible.
 

whocares

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But then there would be a chance we'd get Piranha Bytes-tier controls
The controls of Gothics were perfectly fine you philistines.
No they were not. They were an abomination unto this world. Not only that, Risen controls were also ass. And ELEX controls were ass as well. And the most impressive part - they were all equally unplyably ass, but all in their own unique ways.
 
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Gothics controls were intuitive, so good that anyone who's not physically and/or mentally challenged can sit back, relax and literally play one handed using only keyboard. That is an objectively good control scheme
 

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It's a great shame Rusty ran off to his own bootleg Codex, because lord knows I don't have the patience to keep arguing about something that should be self-evident to anyone who has functional hands 20 years later.
 

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Gothics controls were intuitive, so good that anyone who's not physically and/or mentally challenged can sit back, relax and literally play one handed using only keyboard. That is an objectively good control scheme
One-handed? No, but they are my favoride TPP controls up to this day. No other game came close. Of course, it does require 5 minutes of learning and had no pop-ups, so most of the 'dex gets filtered.
 
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Gothics controls were intuitive, so good that anyone who's not physically and/or mentally challenged can sit back, relax and literally play one handed using only keyboard. That is an objectively good control scheme
One-handed? No, but they are my favoride TPP controls up to this day. No other game came close. Of course, it does require 5 minutes of learning and had no pop-ups, so most of the 'dex gets filtered.
You can 100% play one-handed, everything I did was with one-hand on the keyboard (used my other on the mouse to control camera but I could've played without)
 

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