Saint_Proverbius said:
Roqua said:
Holy Jesus, what a crock of shit, "putting the 'role' back in role playing " how? By getting all excited over a gay ass future diablo one news blip up? Thats real role playing huh?
So, let me get this straight, we're supposed to be excited over this third person action CRPG because D.W. Bradley was a designer on a few of the Wizardry games, but we're not supposed to be excited about Flagship's third person action CRPG because they didn't work on Wizardry something or other? What?
DW Bradley made Wiz 7, one of the greatest real rpgs of all time.
Debatable. It might have been one of the better first person, party based dungeon crawlers released that month, though.
Hueristic wasn't thrown a wad of money after the sales of wiz and warriors.
Might have something to do with the fact it sucked.
And the fact is if it wasn't for bitchs like you guys drooling over fake rpgs with fancy graphics and super duper real time action combat, DW would have made a real rpg with parties and turn-base combat.
Um, when have we not given a nod to turn based games? But, if you really want to blame us for actually liking Diablo 2 as well as turn based CRPGs, I guess it's all our fault that Dim Wit Bradley caved and made a fake rpg with fancy graphics and super duper real time action combat.
You fucking ball suckers throw your money at diablo clones and whine when kotor2 had a flawed plot and a ripped planet and not that Terri Schaivo could beat any battle in Kotor2 by banging her diaper on the mouse. But kotor 2 had polish and good talking.
Actually, I think the weak combat was the biggest complain on these forums about KotOR2. As for polish, KotOR2 was fine until that ending, which was hardly polished at all - good talking or not.
Since troika, sirtek, and all the rest went under there is no NA designer in business that can make an actual rpg. If this game doesn't do well the last biggish name designer will be out also, then it will just be garage games for real rpgs, like spiderweb.
Heuristic Park is a biggish name? Hahaahahahaha! Please tell me that's sarcasm. And yeah, it's kind of pathetic that you spew about how great Wizardry 7 is, and talk about how DW Bradley didn't make a lot of money off Wizards & Warriors, and then turn around and say Spiderweb's games are "garbage". Do you even try thinking while you type or is that a walking and chewing gum malfunction?
Who gives a fuck about a little poor graphics.
This sentence falls right after the dig about how a lot of people here like Spiderweb's games. IRONY!
The fact that the game is a RT twitch game already designated it was going to suck. They all do. What was Morrowind? Good rpg action combat? Get the fuck out of here you pansy ass bitches.
Wait. I thought you were saying we should buy this game because it's our last, best hope for peace or something.
I'll buy a gay Rt action game from DWB just because he used to make real rpgs. You can support the gay fancy graphic, shit game play corporate machine, or you can support the little guy trying his best to make the best game with what he has since its you fucking cosk suckers fault that any gay ass RT twicth[quot rpgs are made to begin with.
So, we're back to how we should buy this third person action combat real time CRPG but not one that hasn't been made by someone who worked on some game way back when? Then some drivel about how the corporate machine turns us all in to little Eichmanns or something? Is this supposed to make any kind of sense?
I said spiderweb is garage games, not garbage. I love spiderweb's games.
I am saying be consistent, don't get your panties in a bunch for flagship's game and knock bloodlines and this demo for being buggy. This site pointed me to one of the bugiest games I've evr played--Prelude to Darkness. When I played it was one big bug (that got better through patches). Prleude was also one of the best games I've played also, when compaired to fake games like NWN and shit like that. I love and still play it.
Look at what all the whinny ass bitches are whinning about--graphics, resolution,sounds, controls, and for Christ'ss ake, being attacked by rats and bats early on.
And what the fuck are you talking about "Debatable. It might have been one of the better first person, party based dungeon crawlers released that month, though."
Are you fucking retarded? What came out around the same time? Nothing. Wiz 7 is the first game with factions, skills open by factions (like marksmanship from Umpani's) an automap tied to a skill, 4 bazzillion hours of game play, and a shit load of other features that put it years ahead of its competition.
Since it was a while ago I can't remember what exactly came out when, but what was there? the gold box series, which were good games, but were linear and are shit compared to Wiz 7. Buck Rogers is one of my favorites, but was linear, but at least had ship combat and a great story line and skills. Bard's Tale is comparable to Wiz 6, but is shit compared to wiz 7. Darkside and Clouds of Xeen, and all the M&M games can't compare to Wizardy.
Games that were after were EoB2 and 3, linear, but good, nothing compared to wiz 7. Ravenloft, Lands of Lore, Realms of Arkania trilogy ( my personal favorite crpgs), Betrayal at Krondor. All of them linear, krondor didn't even have character creation, Lands of Lore was simple like the M&M series.
For other games there were Darksun, which wasn't 1st person\, but was great (which your argument was about), Ultima 7, which had the worse combat than NWN if thats possible, and more talking than PST, and proved Richard Garriot is a pedaphile by having a wip wielding boy-child join your party in the first town. Underworlds weren't party. Darklands wasn't 1st person. Quest for glory 2-4 weren't party.
So what other games can it compare to released that month? Year? Years? Nothing. Wiz 7 was a masterpiece of its time. Wiz 8 is a watered-down Wiz for retards compared to 7. Worse than Dues Ex 1 compared to 2.
What happened to the rpg community is the same thing that happned to men. Men used to by sort of manish, now they shave their chests, wear tight clothes, and drink fruity bitch drinks and still somehow think they are heterosexual. No your not. Whats the difference between sipping on flavoured coffee, a fruity girl drink like a cosmopolitan, and inserting a penis into your mouth? nothing. gay is gay is gay is queer. Being gay is fine, just don't fake your straight. Thats what rpgs are now and how the rpg community is. A bunch of fags, with freshly shaved and lotioned asses, wearing tight revealing shirts and pants, sipping on sex on the beaches, and claiming they like pussy, and faking that they're not wishing a ballsack was slapping against their chin. If your going to be gay, be gay, come out of the closest and be proud. Don't make your girlfriend do you with a strap on.
And you say wiz and warriors wasn't a good game. Name a better game, besides ToEE that has been released since FO2 that had a publisher? There hasn't been a better game, and saying wiz and warriors was bad is retarded. It didn't sell well because people don't like rpgs, they like fancy graphics, and super sounds, and fast and fancy action combat.
The fact is, everyone whinned about stupid, nonsense shit in the demo, and cried like little bitches over a couple bugs in bloodlines, while non-rpgs got rpg credit and rave reviews and sold better than backstreet boys albums.
Dungeon Lords will be released, and be torn up for forgivable flaws, and everyone will whine and cry and it won't sell. But if spiderweb came out with it, it would be judged differently. Again, since you can't fucking read, I love spiderweb.
You guys can get an errection for flagship's game, NWN 2, Dungeon Siege 2, and gay shit like that, or you can at least be fair to Dungeon Lords, as fair as you were to Prelude.
No, I don't think either DL or VtMBloodlines are rpgs, I think they are action games with rpg elements. Prelude, avernum, genforge, ToEE, wiz and warriors, etc are rpgs. Even gay RT games like BG and NWN are rpgs, but as soon as my personal reflexes, button pushing abilities, and timing have an impact on combat the game isn't an actual RPG. Thats why Al-Quadin or whatever the hell it was called was marketed as an action game when the world was sane. But I can either support a real rpg game developer who is making an action game due to the market demanding action games, or I can support stupid shit like DS2 or Flagships game because their graphics and sound and resolution was all fancy smancy. Everyone whines about shit like Dues Ex 2, but its all youtr whinning and bitching and buying shit like that that makes them be made. No one wants a challenge anymore, or a thinking game, they just want something shinny and pretty and easy, and thats not what its about.
fucking queers.
