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From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

Grampy_Bone

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I have a +6 Uchigatana wth 16 str/dex and 20 Faith. I decided to add holy damage. Testing on the Misbegotten enemies at Castle Morne, my regular R1s went from 130 to 140. Nothing special. However my jumping R2s went form 170 to 240. Big jump. So it's possible jumping attacks don't do extra damage but rather ignore some defense.
 

SumDrunkGuy

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Honestly I'm getting sick of From's boss fights. The timing of dodges, the bosses attack animation, it keeps getting worse. It's fake difficulty. Hell, not even that. Their ability to turn at supersonic speed and smash you is horse shit. And the roll timing is inconsistant. I've felt this way since Dark Souls 3 and it keeps getting worse and now I'm not having fun beating these bosses anymore. It used to be about attack patterns, watching the way they move, etc, but now it's about randomly generated fast attacks. Enemies will break form in mid combo to go into another combo. Fuck you, that's not real difficulty and fuck the chincks that made this shit. Absolute garbage.
 

Nifft Batuff

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Honestly I'm getting sick of From's boss fights. The timing of dodges, the bosses attack animation, it keeps getting worse. It's fake difficulty. Hell, not even that. Their ability to turn at supersonic speed and smash you is horse shit. And the roll timing is inconsistant. I've felt this way since Dark Souls 3 and it keeps getting worse and now I'm not having fun beating these bosses anymore. It used to be about attack patterns, watching the way they move, etc, but now it's about randomly generated fast attacks. Enemies will break form in mid combo to go into another combo. Fuck you, that's not real difficulty and fuck the chincks that made this shit. Absolute garbage.
If you try to play DeS or DaS after ER, you will be surprised how easy and slow paced these games are.
 

Silverfish

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Honestly I'm getting sick of From's boss fights. The timing of dodges, the bosses attack animation, it keeps getting worse. It's fake difficulty. Hell, not even that. Their ability to turn at supersonic speed and smash you is horse shit. And the roll timing is inconsistant. I've felt this way since Dark Souls 3 and it keeps getting worse and now I'm not having fun beating these bosses anymore. It used to be about attack patterns, watching the way they move, etc, but now it's about randomly generated fast attacks. Enemies will break form in mid combo to go into another combo. Fuck you, that's not real difficulty and fuck the chincks that made this shit. Absolute garbage.

Damn, that sucks. On the other hand,

 

deem

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I find it curious how an entry in a series that plays pretty much the same as its predecessors can be so polarizing.
 

SumDrunkGuy

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Honestly I'm getting sick of From's boss fights. The timing of dodges, the bosses attack animation, it keeps getting worse. It's fake difficulty. Hell, not even that. Their ability to turn at supersonic speed and smash you is horse shit. And the roll timing is inconsistant. I've felt this way since Dark Souls 3 and it keeps getting worse and now I'm not having fun beating these bosses anymore. It used to be about attack patterns, watching the way they move, etc, but now it's about randomly generated fast attacks. Enemies will break form in mid combo to go into another combo. Fuck you, that's not real difficulty and fuck the chincks that made this shit. Absolute garbage.
If you try to play DeS or DaS after ER, you will be surprised how easy and slow paced these games are.

Maybe I'm just old and alcohol is dragging me down. Each game felt slightly more difficult up till Dark Souls 3 and then they just went full retard (the Bloodborne DLC included). I made it to late game in Sekiro and after quite a few hours I realised I just needed to stop playing the piece of shit. I'm starting to feel that way with this one, only much earlier.

I just think I'm too old for this twitchy shit.
 

Jackpot

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why do all the fun enemies die in three hits but all the annoying as fuck spaztic assholes take eons to die
the wolf or beastman queen bosses seem really fun to fight, a shame they're all dead in seconds
in contrast I've fought that fucking corrupted tree spirit THREE TIMES and each time was a miserable experience
 

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why do all the fun enemies die in three hits but all the annoying as fuck spaztic assholes take eons to die
the wolf or beastman queen bosses seem really fun to fight, a shame they're all dead in seconds
in contrast I've fought that fucking corrupted tree spirit THREE TIMES and each time was a miserable experience

It's ok, I finally killed that fucking thing on my glass cannon mage only to be killed after it was dead by residual ground effects. Didn't get any souls for it. :argh:
 

deem

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My problems with the game are of more nebulous nature I guess. The characterization of the protagonist, it's role in the world seem to be poorly defined. In Bloodborne you are a hunter, in Dark Souls you are an undead schmuck fulfilling dying wishes of a knight who helped you break out of jail. I think that part of the immense popularity of Elden Ring might be that it does not seem to impose much of a role on you, you just play you. Perhaps it was always the case, but in previous games I felt that the world had a pretty solid definition helping in establishing your characters identity.
 

Jackpot

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My problems with the game are of more nebulous nature I guess. The characterization of the protagonist, it's role in the world seem to be poorly defined. In Bloodborne you are a hunter, in Dark Souls you are an undead schmuck fulfilling dying wishes of a knight who helped you break out of jail. I think that part of the immense popularity of Elden Ring might be that it does not seem to impose much of a role on you, you just play you. Perhaps it was always the case, but in previous games I felt that the world had a pretty solid definition helping in establishing your characters identity.

I agree with this. Feels like the game took a bunch from the Dark Souls setting without bothering to explain how it makes sense in this world.
In Dark Souls, we know about the hollowing, people die again and again until they basically turn into mindless zombies. Explains most of the enemies and NPCs in the world. In Elden Ring I assume something similar is happening? Not entirely sure what separates the NPCs and enemies that mindlessly attack you.

And in terms of story, it annoyed me that twice you wander into a room with some lady who basically says "Hello, I am against everything that you stand for. Pledge your allegiance to me?" And if you refuse you just miss out on a bunch of content.
Seems real lame from a roleplaying perspective.
 

Urthor

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Is this shit patched yet?

Heard it had frame drops in a Souls game, and I turned my brain off.
 

Ivan

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Anyone else who's rolled credits, is the H.L. fight the point of no return? I have a few loose threads I'd like to tie up before the game boots me into NG+ screen. Glad to see a save point right after that fight.
 

Ivan

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I'm exploring Elphael right now. What the fuck is up with the health values of some of the enemies here? Is this what you people were referring to when you were talking about HP sponges in late game areas?
This was the only area in the game where I feel From created trollish encoutners just to see if players would force themselves through it. It's funny that you can run past most of it, but some of those encounters are super trollish (avatar + 2 nights, or the fucking DS3 sockpuppet in Rot pool)
 

SumDrunkGuy

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I have a huge problem with them stealing my souls. They try to hide it but I see every beginning and ending moment. I'm not happy with what the slant eyes did in this particular case. In fact I'm fucking infuriated, so lets ask the chink eyed sluts. Fuck everyone of you and bring it punk ass bitch boy punk. Fuck you and fuck the internet.
 

Grampy_Bone

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It's fake difficulty.

"fake difficulty" is the gayest term ever invented by tvtropes or whoever. Difficulty is difficulty, doesn't matter how you get it. Invariably when you try to nail down what is fake vs real, it comes down to any challenge the definer personally doesn't like counts as 'fake.'

Dark Elden Souls Ring does give you plenty of tools to overcome it's difficulty, fake or otherwise. You can just, you know, go somewhere else for awhile and come back when you're stronger. There's also tons of helpful items, grenade spamming, weapon buffs, etc. All of which can give you an edge.

So many times when people complain about tough Dark Souls bosses they also refuse to use any items, summons, or different weapons; all of which is deemed "cheating." Any feature built-into the game could hardly be called cheating; in any case if you refuse to use the tools provided then you're playing a self-imposed challenge, not 'fake difficulty.'
 
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Tyrr

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It's fake difficulty.

"fake difficulty" is the gayest term ever invented by tvtropes or whoever. Difficulty is difficulty, doesn't matter how you get it. Invariably when you try to nail down what is fake vs real, it comes down to any challenge the definer personally doesn't like counts as 'fake.'

Dark Elden Souls Ring does give you plenty of tools to overcome it's difficulty, fake or otherwise. You can just, you know, go somewhere else for awhile and come back when you're stronger. There's also tons of helpful items, grenade spamming, weapon buffs, etc. All of which can give you and edge.

So many times when people complain about tough Dark Souls bosses they also refuse to use any items, summons, or different weapons; all of which is deemed "cheating." Any feature built-into the game could hardly be called cheating; in any case if you refuse to use the tools provided then you're playing a self-imposed challenge, not 'fake difficulty.'
Another one is "artificial difficulty". For people who want to sound smart while complaining that a game kicks their ass.

Everything in a game is there because someone put it in. There isn't anything in a game that isn't artificial.
 
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It's fake difficulty.

"fake difficulty" is the gayest term ever invented by tvtropes or whoever. Difficulty is difficulty, doesn't matter how you get it. Invariably when you try to nail down what is fake vs real, it comes down to any challenge the definer personally doesn't like counts as 'fake.'

Dark Elden Souls Ring does give you plenty of tools to overcome it's difficulty, fake or otherwise. You can just, you know, go somewhere else for awhile and come back when you're stronger. There's also tons of helpful items, grenade spamming, weapon buffs, etc. All of which can give you and edge.

So many times when people complain about tough Dark Souls bosses they also refuse to use any items, summons, or different weapons; all of which is deemed "cheating." Any feature built-into the game could hardly be called cheating; in any case if you refuse to use the tools provided then you're playing a self-imposed challenge, not 'fake difficulty.'
Another one is "artificial difficulty". For people who want to sound smart while complaining that a game kicks their ass.

Everything in a game is there because someone put it in. There isn't anything in a game that isn't artificial.
example of TRVE difficulty for us master gamers
 

Kruno

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Elden Souls Borne
ftfy

So many times when people complain about tough Dark Souls bosses they also refuse to use any items, summons, or different weapons; all of which is deemed "cheating."

it takes away all challenge

this game is a lot easier than the previous games when you use the tools provided, it may as well be Dark Souls: Assassin's Creed Edition.

I am on my 2nd playthrough and already at the Altus Plateau within an hour of the game, and I am spending time making my build by getting all the items I need for end game early on.

I finished the game melee only and found it sub par. Only Sister Frieda offered a challenge.
 

Sunri

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Elden Souls Borne
ftfy

So many times when people complain about tough Dark Souls bosses they also refuse to use any items, summons, or different weapons; all of which is deemed "cheating."

it takes away all challenge

this game is a lot easier than the previous games when you use the tools provided, it may as well be Dark Souls: Assassin's Creed Edition.

I am on my 2nd playthrough and already at the Altus Plateau within an hour of the game, and I am spending time making my build by getting all the items I need for end game early on.

I finished the game melee only and found it sub par. Only Sister Frieda offered a challenge.

Mr Bruno, not everyone has additional chromosome to be as good as you!
 

Kruno

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Elden Souls Borne
ftfy

So many times when people complain about tough Dark Souls bosses they also refuse to use any items, summons, or different weapons; all of which is deemed "cheating."

it takes away all challenge

this game is a lot easier than the previous games when you use the tools provided, it may as well be Dark Souls: Assassin's Creed Edition.

I am on my 2nd playthrough and already at the Altus Plateau within an hour of the game, and I am spending time making my build by getting all the items I need for end game early on.

I finished the game melee only and found it sub par. Only Sister Frieda offered a challenge.

Mr Bruno, not everyone has additional chromosome to be as good as you!
I remember dying hundreds of times to Sister Frieda! It is a matter of learnding and practicing, and spending time off in order to git gud.
 

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