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[Efe]

magic damage sucks most of the time doesnt it?

 

[NJClaw]

Found what I was looking for. Spreadsheet ftw. Now I can confirm with MATH that Moonveil is legit bullshit:

50/50 maxed out moonveil has an AR of 688
50/50 quality claymore gets...644
50/50 quality banished knight halbeard 619

Granted the moonveil deals hybrid damage but I have a REALLY hard time believing this was playtested at any point.

Quality is just a very shitty infusion (at least for a claymore). A heavy claymore with 99 STR gets an AR of 705, 762 when two-handed. A gargoyle greatsword gets an AR of 748, 816 when two-handed.

 

[Tyrr]

magic damage sucks most of the time doesnt it?

Split damage is worse than pure physical/magic/whatever damage. That's also why comparing AR of weapons with split damage (like the Moonveil) with one without (like the Claymore) doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Jump attacks are good also, if you're into playing Super Mario.

This is funny. I was hopping around a mine smashing enemies with jump attacks and one shotting them and this is exactly the thought I had. I feel like I'm Mario stomping Goombas ffs.

 

[Lutte]

magic damage sucks most of the time doesnt it?

Split damage is worse than pure physical/magic/whatever damage. That's also why comparing AR of weapons with split damage (like the Moonveil) with one without (like the Claymore) doesn't tell the whole story.

NOT. IN. THIS. GAME.
What you said was a truism in most souls. split damage is absolute shit in older dark souls games.
But in elden ring you don't even notice your weapon does split damage.

Source: I played half/maybe a little more than half of the game as a pure DEX build with the Uchigatana and a Keen weapon art. Moonveil with INT instead of DEX is 100% better in every single way.
Finished the game with moonveil main weapon + uchigatana using a magic, INT scaled weapon art in power stance. That shredded enemies like nothing else.

Also: Moonveil, like most (all?) katana does good bleed, and this game, unlike previous souls games, makes bleed efficient on most enemies. I could see the bosses bars go down like crazy every time I hit the bleed.
In power stance with another katana and some l1 spam after staggering them it was deadly.

Moonveil has only good points and no demerits. Even the patch nerf didn't make it worse than using a regular katana.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Is the Dung Eater supposed to be this...shit?

https://www.twitch.tv/jerma985/clip/SeductivePrettiestMochaThunBeast-i-meEo3yLr32T15J

 

[Lutte]

Btw moonveil isn't the only thing per se that just's better than regular phys weapons.
Can your stupid claymore do this?

Infinite. Use. Of. This. Ranged. Bullshit. For the duration of a buff that doesn't cost much FP (Dark Moon Greatsword weaponart)

Oh, and did I say this also does really good stagger when done in melee range with the weapon also hitting while the magic hits?
Dark Moon Greatsword > your garbage physical sword.

INT and FAITH rule elden ring. Those who think the contrary just haven't tried a real build.

 

[Efe]

its not that moonveil is amazing. blood loss just does too much

 

[Lutte]

its not that moonveil is amazing. blood loss just does too much

No, all magic path weapons are amazing compared to physical ones.

 

[NJClaw]

Infinite. Use. Of. This. Ranged. Bullshit. For the duration of a buff that doesn't cost much FP (Dark Moon Greatsword weaponart)

Oh, and did I say this also does really good stagger when done in melee range with the weapon also hitting while the magic hits?
Dark Moon Greatsword > your garbage physical sword.

INT and FAITH rule elden ring. Those who think the contrary just haven't tried a real build.

Imagine playing on this game's actual easy mode.

Also, to get the Dark Moon Greatsword you literally have to complete a romance with a sex doll. The reward better be awesome.

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

Btw moonveil isn't the only thing per se that just's better than regular phys weapons.
Can your stupid claymore do this?

Infinite. Use. Of. This. Ranged. Bullshit. For the duration of a buff that doesn't cost much FP (Dark Moon Greatsword weaponart)

Oh, and did I say this also does really good stagger when done in melee range with the weapon also hitting while the magic hits?
Dark Moon Greatsword > your garbage physical sword.

INT and FAITH rule elden ring. Those who think the contrary just haven't tried a real build.

Thank you Lutte anon! Good strong MLGS friend anon! It is cute sword anon from cute wife anon! It is! You are a good strong friend anon!

Spoiler

 

[BLOBERT]

BROS CANT PLAY AS MUCH AS MANY OF YOU

JUST BEAT RENALLA THAT WAS FUN

SEVERAL TRIES AT FIRST GOT REALLY CLOSE THEN SUMMONED A BRO AND SMASHED HER EASY

THEN I DID COOP FIRST TIME

GONNA RESPEC AS A STRENGTH FAITH BUILD I PUT TOO MANY POINTS INTO DEX

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

Imagine playing on this game's actual easy mode.

Also, to get the Dark Moon Greatsword you literally have to complete a romance with a sex doll. The reward better be awesome.

Thank you NJClaw anon! Good strong Emilia Romagna Moonbro friend anon! I do love you anon! I do! You are a good strong friend anon!

Spoiler

 

[Lutte]

Infinite. Use. Of. This. Ranged. Bullshit. For the duration of a buff that doesn't cost much FP (Dark Moon Greatsword weaponart)

Oh, and did I say this also does really good stagger when done in melee range with the weapon also hitting while the magic hits?
Dark Moon Greatsword > your garbage physical sword.

INT and FAITH rule elden ring. Those who think the contrary just haven't tried a real build.

Imagine playing on this game's actual easy mode.

Also, to get the Dark Moon Greatsword you literally have to complete a romance with a sex doll. The reward better be awesome.

Eh, the only thing I regret is not using those weapons earlier than I did. I had already completed Ranni's quest and done many other things before I even thought about doing a temporary respec and save backup to try the various weapons I looted in the game. I thought the MLGS of Elden Ring would just be the meme cute but not very useful weapon like it's always been. Then I tried Moonveil after a respec into INT and I just knew, magic weapons in this game might actually be good. And that's right, they are friggin' good. Wing of Astel, bastard's stars, it's all good stuff. No more DEX, only minimum weapon requirements.

btw if you really hate Ranni you can technically betray her at the end, the quest doesn't lock you into her ending.

 

[cvv]

Fire Giant was stupid. Hate these massive mobs where you can't see jackshit of what they're doing. Bleh.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Also, to get the Dark Moon Greatsword you literally have to complete a romance with a sex doll. The reward better be awesome.

Seriously. I hate when gaming is too similar to real life.

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

btw if you really hate Ranni you can technically betray her at the end, the quest doesn't lock you into her ending.

No!

 

[Kjaska]

110h+ in, cleared Deeproot Depths (Beware of target lock, amirite). Have to admit, the game has been growing on me ever since I unlocked Easy Mode.

 

[Steezus]

Split damage is worse than pure physical/magic/whatever damage. That's also why comparing AR of weapons with split damage (like the Moonveil) with one without (like the Claymore) doesn't tell the whole story.

Honestly, in PvP time to kill in this game is so short, you can rock pretty much anything you like. The damage differences between pure physical and split are probably miniscule in the grand scheme of things.

In PvE it matters even less since you have so many tools to make the game easier, the few points you'll get between min maxing damage types are actually meaningless.

 

[Lutte]

To put an end to ignorance, I backup my save, respecced into 70 DEX, threw unsheathe weapon art with KEEN onto uchigatana (yes you can do that even if it's the same as the built-in weapon art), which has the same moveset as the moonveil weapon art minus the magic, then did a L2-R2 on an enemy with very high defense in Elphael :

Now, here is what Moonveil with 70 INT does with that same L2-R2.

BUTBUTBUT SPLIT DAMAGE IS WORSE LOL I KNOW BECAUSE I PLAYED OTHER SOULS

Shut up.

My game is fully patched so this is post moonveil nerf btw.

 

[BLOBERT]

dragons dogma only needed one game to figure out how to balance multiple playstyles. fromsoft, after 6, is still too incompetent to even design basic controls that are suitable for anything other than simple melee classes. and i find the best spell in the game being a katana weapon art insulting.

BRO NOW YOU ARE MAKING MY HEART HURT

DRAGINS DOGMA IS GREATEST ARPG EVER

 

[Ghulgothas]

So, apart from the Moonveil being the absolute king of the meta right now, what other weapons you guys feel stand a cut above the rest? Im especially interested in "normal" weapons (the ones you can freely change AoW).

Only the most powerful weapon of all. Think it'll be awhile before I can get it smithed up to +25 sadly.

Spoiler

 

[mediocrepoet]

So, apart from the Moonveil being the absolute king of the meta right now, what other weapons you guys feel stand a cut above the rest? Im especially interested in "normal" weapons (the ones you can freely change AoW).

Only the most powerful weapon of all. Think it'll be awhile before I can get it smithed up to +25 sadly.

Spoiler

There's a lot of thrust damage on that. Does it pierce shields?

 

[Great Deceiver]

To put an end to ignorance, I backup my save, respecced into 70 DEX, threw unsheathe weapon art with KEEN onto uchigatana (yes you can do that even if it's the same as the built-in weapon art), which has the same moveset as the moonveil weapon art minus the magic, then did a L2-R2 on an enemy with very high defense in Elphael :

Now, here is what Moonveil with 70 INT does with that same L2-R2.

BUTBUTBUT SPLIT DAMAGE IS WORSE LOL I KNOW BECAUSE I PLAYED OTHER SOULS

Shut up.

My game is fully patched so this is post moonveil nerf btw.

This is all 100% true.

Before the nerf Moonveil was even more ridiculous, but it's still the best, even after the latest tardTube wave of people desperate for hits creaming over arcane scaling on Rivers of Blood/whatever.

Pre-nerf on that same enemy the Moonveil used to do 1.3, 1.4k with similar stats, plus crazy stagger damage (I think they nerfed stagger on the ranged weapon art, which would be the most significant nerf, not the damage itself). It's just orders of magnitude better than anything else. If you understand that the power of the ranged weapon art is much more important than R1 DAMAGE NUMBER GO BIG (even though swipe damage numbers are also high), then you'll see why. Oh, the ranged attack also applies bleed (don't ask me why), which is still unquestionably the most overpowered effect in the entire game.

To come close to balancing this weapon they would have to remove all stagger from the weapon art, remove bleed from the weapon art and greatly increase recovery frames/windup so you couldn't spam it.

 

[Tyrr]

To put an end to ignorance, I backup my save, respecced into 70 DEX, threw unsheathe weapon art with KEEN onto uchigatana (yes you can do that even if it's the same as the built-in weapon art), which has the same moveset as the moonveil weapon art minus the magic, then did a L2-R2 on an enemy with very high defense in Elphael :

Now, here is what Moonveil with 70 INT does with that same L2-R2.

BUTBUTBUT SPLIT DAMAGE IS WORSE LOL I KNOW BECAUSE I PLAYED OTHER SOULS

Shut up.

My game is fully patched so this is post moonveil nerf btw.

Did the Uchigatana and the Moonveil had the same AR?
For the question if split damage is worse or not you have to compare 2 weapons with same same AR, one single damage, one split.

Looking at the stats on fextralife a +25 keen Uchigatana has 258 (physical) damage. A +10 Moonveil 391 (split) damage. (everything without bonus damage from stats scaling)
So the damage difference could be so big, that the Moonveil still does more damage, even with split damage.