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Gotta say....Blasphemous Blade is a helluva drug.
 

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Phew, there you go:



I practiced the first guy several times but apparently my brain was tuned so well to him that i couldn't re-adjust to the second guy so i fumbled a bit there lmao. Got it done all the same.

Just to show you how easier certain fights get with parries:



Against the second guy I dropped the ball multiple times, but it was literally the first time I ever tried to parry him. Also keep in mind that it's a SL1 character and I'm using a semi-random weapon, damage numbers would be way higher with a Misericorde and some stat investments.
 

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Daym brah.

Does that golden parry work the same on medium shields as it does on smaller ones? I know the regular parry is better with smaller ones but i'm not sure about that ash of war.
 

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Against the second guy I dropped the ball multiple times, but it was literally the first time I ever tried to parry him. Also keep in mind that it's a SL1 character and I'm using a semi-random weapon, damage numbers would be way higher with a Misericorde and some stat investments.

What's the upgrade level of your weapon?

Mine is still +15 even at SL1 you are doing a lot more damage.
 

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I'm inclined to think it's not as OP as people say then. It's obviously a good ability, but far from game breakingly good.
With a proper setup, you can have power stanced twinblades where each of them has more than 150 bleed build up per hit. Add to this that the jumping attack from twinblades actually does two hits per L1/R1 input, a jump attack from powerstanced twinblades hits four times per input. The result? You proc bleed every single time you do a jump attack, chopping off 15% of the bosses health and staggering them out of most attacks which allows to combo into more hits thus dealing more damage for free. Late game bosses will have health in excess of 20k HP, so you're dealing more than 3000 dmg per jump attack.

I do love me my Lion's Claw too though, it's extremely powerful and easy to use.

Now this makes me want to try again with bleed. I love my magic too much to give it up, so I'll need to get the Dragon Communion Seal. I'll also need bell bearings as the ones I have only let me raise things to +12 and I've got the Godslayers' at +20. Swapping from it would be a big dip in power. Still, if I get the seal I could drop STR and FTH down to weapon/spell requirements. I have the Regalia of Eochid and Elenora's Poleblade already so I could scale both melee and casting off that stat as I'm doing with FTH, just with enough investment in FTH to be able to cast my dragon spells and curatives. The new seal would buff my dragon spells so I might actually end up more powerful. I've got like 10 larval tears left so it's worth a try.
 

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Daym brah.

Does that golden parry work the same on medium shields as it does on smaller ones? I know the regular parry is better with smaller ones but i'm not sure about that ash of war.
I was using the Brass Shield, which is medium. But yes, Golden Parry works the same on both categories.

What's the upgrade level of your weapon?

Mine is still +15 even at SL1 you are doing a lot more damage.
I think it was +15, +16 at best. Damage was high because I was using a fire infusion and those crucible knights are relatively weak to fire, so split-damage weapons end up being way better than regular ones. Also, my Strength score was fairly high (30), and I used the Dagger Talisman and the Ritual Sword Talisman.
 

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I'm inclined to think it's not as OP as people say then. It's obviously a good ability, but far from game breakingly good.
With a proper setup, you can have power stanced twinblades where each of them has more than 150 bleed build up per hit. Add to this that the jumping attack from twinblades actually does two hits per L1/R1 input, a jump attack from powerstanced twinblades hits four times per input. The result? You proc bleed every single time you do a jump attack, chopping off 15% of the bosses health and staggering them out of most attacks which allows to combo into more hits thus dealing more damage for free. Late game bosses will have health in excess of 20k HP, so you're dealing more than 3000 dmg per jump attack.

I do love me my Lion's Claw too though, it's extremely powerful and easy to use.

Now this makes me want to try again with bleed. I love my magic too much to give it up, so I'll need to get the Dragon Communion Seal. I'll also need bell bearings as the ones I have only let me raise things to +12 and I've got the Godslayers' at +20. Swapping from it would be a big dip in power. Still, if I get the seal I could drop STR and FTH down to weapon/spell requirements. I have the Regalia of Eochid and Elenora's Poleblade already so I could scale both melee and casting off that stat as I'm doing with FTH, just with enough investment in FTH to be able to cast my dragon spells and curatives. The new seal would buff my dragon spells so I might actually end up more powerful. I've got like 10 larval tears left so it's worth a try.
Honestly I’d recommend you stick to your current build of Faith mixed with melee. You have way more variety available to you and you won’t roflstomp the rest of the game into oblivion. Bleed is seriously OP when it gets going and very much a one trick pony, good for subsequent playthroughs where you want to annihilate stuff but bad for your first one where you should experience things more organically.
 

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Declining IQs is the reason a game which say what you want is still infinitely more complex mechanically than most of the garbage that passes as "gayming" today ended up outselling a franchise known for having zero mechanical complexity?

The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Maybe this is decline by From's standards but it's certainly incline by mainstream industry standards. I also love the saltiness of the gayming press. "A lot of people finding value in dying over and over". Imagine that, people actually enjoy a challenge and don't have to be coddled like retards all the time.

Sure, that's definitely better than the brainless CoD/FIFA/sports gamers.

But that ain't saying much LMAO. Those types of "gamers" are only one standard deviation away from communicating in grunt-grunt sounds ROFL!
 
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(BvB) What happens if Godfrey was the one who entered erdtree and face Radagon



more bullshit:
 
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Ok, so i tried a few co-op runs and i love this place. Went with the host all the way to Godfrey the ghost version whats his face. Exilarating boss. Sort of spoiled myself to get there first in co-op but whatever, i think i'll enjoy this one. Seems to be this game's version of Champion Gundyr.
 
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Honestly I’d recommend you stick to your current build of Faith mixed with melee. You have way more variety available to you and you won’t roflstomp the rest of the game into oblivion. Bleed is seriously OP when it gets going and very much a one trick pony, good for subsequent playthroughs where you want to annihilate stuff but bad for your first one where you should experience things more organically.

Once I realized the arcane scaling seal also improves my favorite type of incantation it was a done deal. I couldn't resist the power. Plus despite planning to use STR weapons for the whole game I was pretty terrible with them once I actually got my hands on one. I was used to the straight sword. So I'm a FTH/ARC hybrid now. Dragon sorceries and bleed. I'm at 40 FTH and only 28 ARC for now. Will be levelling ARC. My incant scaling increased when I switched seals. Pretty happy overall.
 

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https://www.frontlinejp.net/2022/05/14/elden-ring-player-survey-results/
Elden Ring survey results show players’ fave weapons, bosses, and more
Japan’s Weekly Famitsu conducted a survey on Elden Ring’s players, and published the results in the 12-19 May 2022 issue of the magazine.

The survey was conducted from 9-13 April 2022 and answered by 1700 people. Not all surveyees answered all questions.

The surveyees
There were 1509 male and 161 female surveyees, while 24 answered “other”.

The age group breakdown is as follows:

  • 17-19: 152
  • 20-24: 187
  • 25-29: 333
  • 30-34: 317
  • 35-39: 296
  • 40-44: 238
  • 45-49: 122
  • Above 50: 55

925 surveyees pre-ordered the game, 327 purchased it on release day, and 444 purchased it after release day.

727 surveyees played the game on the Playstation 4, 595 on the Playstation 5, 312 on the PC, 18 on the Xbox Series X/S, 10 on the Xbox One.

Playtime and levels
The playtime clocked by surveyees are as follows:

  • Under 10 hours: 7
  • Between 10-60 hours: 131
  • Between 60-100 hours: 283
  • Between 100-150 hours: 499
  • Between 150-200 hours: 354
  • Between 200-300 hours: 301
  • Over 300 hours: 112
Surveyees’ levels are as follows:

  • Below 30: 20
  • 30-49: 164
  • 50-89: 138
  • 90-119: 207
  • 120-149: 347
  • 150 and above: 824
Experience with previous From Software games
Surveyees were asked about which From Software games they previously played

  • Demon’s Souls: 699
  • DARK SOULS: 740
  • DARK SOUKS II: 768
  • DARK SOULS III: 1035
  • Bloodborne: 1023
  • SEKIRO: SHADOWS DIE TWICE: 790
  • DARK SOULS REMASTERED: 263
The article also notes that players also mentioned older games such as Armored Core and Kings Field, but does not list the numbers for these other titles.

What do players like about Elden Ring?
Surveyees were asked about what they like about the game, and could choose multiple options.

  1. The story/world: 1410
  2. The field: 1391
  3. Exploration: 1225
  4. Boss combat: 1189
  5. Weapons and armor: 1091
  6. Characters (including NPCs): 995
  7. Dungeon crawling: 992
  8. The size of the map: 956
  9. The graphics: 912
  10. The ashes of war and weapon arts: 884
  11. The music: 841
  12. The spirit ashes: 797
  13. The combat balance: 786
  14. Sorceries and incantations: 763
  15. Character design: 740
  16. The horse: 711
  17. The leveling system: 682
  18. The controls: 560
  19. Multiplayer: 469
  20. The equipment upgrade system: 458
  21. Item crafting: 150
Surveyees could also comment freely on their favorite aspects of the game, with some being:

  • How players can all come up with their own ways of playing the game (30s/M)
  • The perfect balance for combat, where you can kill even a god when going one-on-one, but can be killed by regular enemies when going up against many (20s/M)
  • A first-time From Software player enjoys the difficulty and the worldbuilding, saying that it is obtuse in a good way (30s/F)
  • The world being revealed to the player bit by bit through flavor text (30s/F)
  • How the gameplay can feel completely different depending on the player’s stats (30s/M)
  • How allowing the game is in letting the player cover for lack of skill with other features (40s/M)
First class chosen
Surveyees were asked what class they chose the first time they played the game.

  1. Vagabond: 427
  2. Samurai: 424
  3. Prisoner: 153
  4. Confessor: 127
  5. Astrologer: 126
  6. Wretch: 108
  7. Hero: 101
  8. Warrior: 92
  9. Bandit: 75
  10. Prophet: 53
Surveyees could also comment freely on why they chose their classes:

  • Vagabond: “Prioritizing balance for the first playthrough” (20s/M); “Wanted a quality build warrior focusing on vigor and endurance for the early game” (20s/M)
  • Samurai: “The references to SEKIRO” (30s); “The design and how it starts with a shield, bow, and dex weapon” (30s/M)
  • Prisoner: “I wanted to play as a magic knight, and the helmet is very unique” (20s/F); “Roleplaying reasons” (20s/M)
  • Confessor: “I loved Bloodborne and liked the idea of a secret hit squad for the church” (20s/M)
  • Astrologer: “I played a pure strength build in the other games and wanted to try something different” (20s/M); “I’m bad at melee and wanted to be able to fight at range” (20s/M)
  • Wretch: “Easier to come up with builds” (40s/M)
  • Hero: “Pure strength” (20s/M)
  • Warrior: “I used a dual sword build in Dark Souls III, and Warrior starts with dual swords” (30s/M); “I always use dex builds” (30s/M)
  • Bandit: “I wanted to try stealth with bows, and thought that having high arcane would open up more options later in the game” (30s/M); “Small shield for parrying and a bleed weapon” (30s/M)
  • Prophet: “With how large the fields is, being able to heal seemed important” (40s/M); “I always Umbasa first in every Souls game” (20s/M)
Most prioritized stats
Surveyees were asked what stats they prioritized in their builds, and could choose multiple options.

  1. Vigor: 1243
  2. Endurance: 710
  3. Dexterity: 678
  4. Strength: 620
  5. Intelligence: 440
  6. Mind: 334
  7. Arcane: 276
  8. Faith: 220
Favorite weapon types
Surveyees were asked about their favorite weapon types (shields included), and could choose multiple options.

  1. Katanas: 841
  2. Greatswords: 641
  3. Medium shields: 504
  4. Staves: 411
  5. Curved swords: 389
  6. Colossal swords: 385
  7. Sacred seals: 333
  8. Bows: 324
  9. Greatshields: 281
  10. Straight swords: 280
  11. Spears: 252
  12. Curved greatswords: 227
  13. Colossal weapons: 224
  14. Daggers: 198
  15. Axes: 191
  16. Thrusting swords: 184
  17. Twinblades: 177
  18. Hammers: 167
  19. Great hammers: 131
  20. Halberds: 128
  21. Heavy thrusting swords: 116
  22. Small shields: 107
  23. Reapers: 100
  24. Crossbows: 100
  25. Great spears: 89
  26. Flails: 84
  27. Great bows: 82
  28. Whips: 81
  29. Torches: 64
  30. Greataxes: 60
  31. Claws: 59
  32. Light bows: 49
  33. Ballistae: 42
  34. Fists: 39
  35. Great Claws: 8
There is no such weapon type as “Great Claw” in the game, and seems to have been added to the survey in error.

Favorite weapon skills/ashes of war
Surveyees were asked what their favorite weapon skills and ashes of war were, and could choose up to five. Only the top fifteen are listed.

  1. Bloodhound Step: 589
  2. Transient Moonlight: 228
  3. Parry: 192
  4. Rivers of Blood: 190
  5. Hoarfrost Stomp: 189
  6. Flame of the Redmanes: 170
  7. Bloody Slash: 120
  8. Sword Dance: 115
  9. Seppuku: 101
  10. Golden parry: 92
  11. Moonlight greatsword: 89
  12. Unsheathe: 88
  13. Giant Hunt: 83
  14. Starcaller Cry: 47
  15. Royal Knight’s Resolve: 37
Favorite sorceries and incantations
Surveyees were asked what their favorite sorceries and incantations were, and could choose up to five. Only the top fifteen are listed.

  1. Comet Azur: 240
  2. Golden Vow: 190
  3. Adula’s Moonblade: 163
  4. Rock Sling: 152
  5. Flame, Cleanse Me: 137
  6. Glintstone Pebble: 134
  7. Loretta’s Greatbow: 116
  8. Flame, Grant Me Strength: 115
  9. Meteorite of Aster: 94
  10. Lightning Spear/Ranni’s Dark Moon: 86(Tie)
  11. Great Glintstone Shard: 83
  12. Rotten Breath/Comet: 81(Tie)
  13. Frenzied Burst: 80
  14. Stars of Ruin: 72
  15. Night Maiden’s Mist: 63
Favorite talismans
Surveyees were asked what their favorite talismans were, and could choose up to five. Only the top fifteen are listed.

  1. Erdtree’s Favor: 457
  2. Shard of Alexander: 305
  3. Great-Jar’s Arsenal: 278
  4. Gold Scarab: 274
  5. Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman: 216
  6. Graven-Mass Talisman: 174
  7. Carian Filigreed Crest: 144
  8. Radagon’s Soreseal: 140
  9. Radagon Icon: 119
  10. Claw Talisman: 105
  11. Lord of Blood’s Exultation: 103
  12. Green Turtle Talisman: 98
  13. Greatshield talisman: 91
  14. Blessed Dew Talisman: 68
  15. Assassin’s Crimson Dagger: 59
Favorite spirit ashes
Surveyees were asked what their favorite spirit ashes were, and could choose up to five. Only the top fifteen are listed.

    1. Mimic Tear Ashes: 721
    2. Black Knife Tiche: 586
    3. Spirit Jellyfish Ashes: 308
    4. Latenna the Albinauric: 164
    5. Lone Wolf Ashes: 137
    6. Greatshield Soldier Ashes: 128
    7. Skeletal Militamen Ashes: 124
    8. Lhutel the Headless: 106
    9. Banished Knight Oleg Ashes: 99
    10. Redmane Knight Ogha: 68
    11. Nightmaiden & Swordstress Puppets: 67
    12. Rotten Stray Ashes: 64
    13. Ancient Dragon Knight Kristoff Ashes: 44
    14. Marionette Soldier Ashes: 33
    15. Soldjars of Fortune Ashes: 29
NPCs that left the strongest impressions
Surveyees were asked which NPCs left the strongest impressions on them, and could choose up to five. Only the top fifteen are listed.

  1. Ranni the Witch: 918
  2. Iron Fist Alexander: 579
  3. Blaidd: 335
  4. Millicent: 266
  5. Melina: 260
  6. Patches: 242
  7. Sorceress Sellen: 204
  8. Rya: 164
  9. Blackguard Big Boggart: 95
  10. Smithing Master Hewg: 94
  11. Hyetta: 86
  12. White Mask Varre: 82
  13. War Counselor Iji: 78
  14. Diallos: 59
  15. Enia: 53
Enemies that left the strongest impressions
Surveyees were asked which enemies left the strongest impressions on them, and could choose up to five. Only the top fifteen are listed.

  1. Starscourge Radahn: 687
  2. Malenia, Blade of Miquella: 658
  3. Margit, the Full Omen: 443
  4. Tree Sentinel: 216
  5. Maliketh, the Black Blade: 206
  6. Elden Beast: 188
  7. Godrick the Grafted: 176
  8. Crucible Knight: 158
  9. Radagon of the Golden Order: 149
  10. Hoarah Loux, Warrior: 137
  11. Mohg, Lord of Blood: 110
  12. Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon: 101
  13. Rykard, Lord of Blasphemy: 68
  14. Godfrey, First Elden Lord: 66
  15. Fire Giant: 57
Areas that left the strongest impressions
Surveyees were asked which areas left the strongest impressions on them, and could choose up to five. Only the top fifteen are listed.

  1. Caelid: 456
  2. Limgrave: 409
  3. Leyndell, Royal Capital: 375
  4. Nokron, Eternal City: 200
  5. Stormveil Castle: 172
  6. Altus Plateau: 153
  7. Lake of Rot: 139
  8. Academy of Raya Lucaria: 106
  9. Mohgwyn Palace: 76
  10. Subterranean Shunning-Grounds: 73
  11. Liurnia of the Lakes: 72
  12. Miquella’s Haligtree: 70
  13. Siofra River: 67
  14. Volcano Manor: 58
  15. Mountaintops of the Giants: 52
Favorite online features
Surveyees were asked what their favorite online features are, and could choose multiple answers.

  1. Messages: 1015
  2. Cooperative multiplayer: 746
  3. Bloodstains: 547
  4. Illusions: 502
  5. Intrusion multiplayer: 293
  6. Hostile multiplayer: 169
Other comments
Surveyees were asked for any additional comments they had on the game, and several were published in the magazine, such as:

  • “I want a prequel game.” (20s/M)
  • “I’m looking forward to DLC or a large update.” (30s/M)
  • “I’ve played for 160 hours, but I’m only about halfway through the story. The size of this game is amazing.” (20s/M)
  • “I want a sequel taking place in this same world.” (40s/M)
  • “It would be nice if there could be an official relationship chart for the characters or explanation of the story.” (40s/F)
  • “I like how there are optional dungeons all over, leaving it up to the player whether to clear them or not. The dungeon design was also great, with enough variety so as to not tire the player. One thing I would have liked is more types of dungeons, however.” (40s/F)
  • “There’s a huge world and freedom of how to go about. I also like how, thanks to the horse, it doesn’t feel lonely travelling around, and it doesn’t feel as dark as previous games.” (40s/M)
  • “Multiplayer connections are not stable, I hope this gets fixed soon.” (30s/M)
 

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Honestly I’d recommend you stick to your current build of Faith mixed with melee. You have way more variety available to you and you won’t roflstomp the rest of the game into oblivion. Bleed is seriously OP when it gets going and very much a one trick pony, good for subsequent playthroughs where you want to annihilate stuff but bad for your first one where you should experience things more organically.

Once I realized the arcane scaling seal also improves my favorite type of incantation it was a done deal. I couldn't resist the power. Plus despite planning to use STR weapons for the whole game I was pretty terrible with them once I actually got my hands on one. I was used to the straight sword. So I'm a FTH/ARC hybrid now. Dragon sorceries and bleed. I'm at 40 FTH and only 28 ARC for now. Will be levelling ARC. My incant scaling increased when I switched seals. Pretty happy overall.

Dragon seal scales better with arcane though, so it should be the other way around. Most optimal i think would be 30 FTH and 55 ARC since those are the soft caps for spells. The highest dragon incantation only needs 28 FTH so.

At that point you should use an occult weapon that has native bleed on it, rather than use bleed ashes.

If you don't want to waste a larval tear just to test this you can just go offline and back up your save and check it out. There's also this thing if you want to min/max but keep in mind if you use it you are stuck with occult because the damage penalty doesn't make it worth it with other types of scaling:

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Silver+Tear+Mask

With occult you only lose a couple of points of damage but 8 arcane if you didn't reach the cap yet is a huge buff.
 

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Fools Idol in Demon's Souls is just Ranni the Witch. Do they reuse that 4 armed enemy type in the other Souls games?
 

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Fools Idol in Demon's Souls is just Ranni the Witch. Do they reuse that 4 armed enemy type in the other Souls games?
yes
the Keel Smasher is also the Ruins Greatsword.

I am also curious why people complained about whirlwind attacks when minor enemies like the skeleton knights do them forever? Also how can people be shocked at fps drops when simply rolling through barrels slows the world down to a crawl? This seems like From by design. Demon's Souls is so great it makes me nauseated to think about traveling over that vast open world of The Lands Between to try to find the handful of dungeons I missed.

Scraping Spear is great. So is the Dragon Morning Star. Upgrades are so much better in this when compared to Elden Ring. I don't care if there are 100 different types of stones at least they can be differentiated between one another to where you know what they do. Elden Ring upgrades are boring as fuck by comparison to where I don't know if I can even make myself play it again.

 
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Dragon seal scales better with arcane though, so it should be the other way around. Most optimal i think would be 30 FTH and 55 ARC since those are the soft caps for spells. The highest dragon incantation only needs 28 FTH so.

At that point you should use an occult weapon that has native bleed on it, rather than use bleed ashes.

Yeah I read the wiki page on the dragon seal, I know about the scaling. I want to keep faith high because I use other spells as well and because I want to be able to try all the incantations. The highest prereq is 50 so that's what I'm shooting for. This may be the only FTH character I do so I want to try everything I can FTH related. Sort of like the fellow who collects all the weapons, only with spells.

I can have a 50 in FTH and a 45 in ARC at level 150. All my other stats are done, so any levels I gain post 150 (at endgame or NG+) will go into ARC, eventually making it the high stat.

I'm level 131 already so not far off. My primary weapon is already scaling off arcane. It's Eleonora's Poleblade +7. My arcane is currentlly 31 (I've levelled since my last post) and I'm working it exclusively. I still pack a secondary weapon that uses FTH. Just anything light with sacred blade on it to one shot undead with. It helps out a lot. Even though my stat is low my damage output is higher on the poleblade than on my flame art warpick +12, and that's just the numbers, not taking bleed into account. This thing is going to absolutely rip once I get that arcane up.
 

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Scraping Spear is great. So is the Dragon Morning Star. Upgrades are so much better in this when compared to Elden Ring. I don't care if there are 100 different types of stones at least they can be differentiated between one another to where you know what they do. Elden Ring upgrades are boring as fuck by comparison to where I don't know if I can even make myself play it again.

Demon's Souls had ways of actively screwing other players in PVP. It's why griefers tended to like the scraping spear and acid breath and going in specifically just to trash someone else's gear. I think it pissed enough people off that they got rid of stuff like that. As well as a mechanic from the endgame.
 

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