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From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

Lyric Suite

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I way prefer linear games with set pieces.

That really does not compute to me.
Sorry to hear, I'm usually not into open world sloppa.

But we aren't talking about open world. You said level design.
Open world is type of a level design, correct?

I guess, the same way mixing water and wine still kinda classifies as an alcoholic beverage.
 

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I was wondering. Considering we could nerf our character by using cestus, we had a monk already. Did they add some special skills for monks, or is it still two cestuses vs sword with 2+ m reach?
 

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The lake of rot wasn't enough?
No, the Lake of Rot wasn't enough. There was only a single overworld boss in there and very easy enemies.

Give me a Deathblight or Madness swamp with multiple sniper-archer enemies with an unavoidable sight radius. Or with multiple Runebears or Giant Crayfish in the spots where the swamp is the thickest and your movement is impeded.

I WANT PAIN!!
Or they could strip you of your gear in a cutscene, and you'd fight naked with broken sword.
 

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I was wondering. Considering we could nerf our character by using cestus, we had a monk already. Did they add some special skills for monks, or is it still two cestuses vs sword with 2+ m reach?
Nerf? You're only nerfed by the cestus if you don't know what you're doing. I've been rocking cestus since Dark Souls 2. Killing enemies with my bare hands is a specialty. Trained my body and mind for it.
 

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I was wondering. Considering we could nerf our character by using cestus, we had a monk already. Did they add some special skills for monks, or is it still two cestuses vs sword with 2+ m reach?
Caestus with some kind of stomp or kick attack is the closest we can get so far.

Nerf? You're only nerfed by the cestus if you don't know what you're doing. I've been rocking cestus since Dark Souls 2. Killing enemies with my bare hands is a specialty. Trained my body and mind for it.
I've considered picking up the Spiked Caestus for a new build. Get the Lifesteal Fist early (from a scarab you find in Caelid before the rot dragon), then go full in on the Occult build. It does less raw damage per punch than the regular Caestus or the Iron Ball, but slap on the bleed effect enhancing helmet and talisman for a LOT of extra damage. And of course you go for the talisman that boosts your damage when you land a lot of hits.
 

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Bleed here is OP. Right now you don't even need to specialize on it. They should do it like in DS3, where it's almost useless except if you have the proper build.

But hey, ER is the game for the kids so I'm okay letting the children having fun.

Next one is for the grown ups. Probably BB2. I can wait. :smug:
 

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I'd just like for them to upgrade their presentation. Bloodborne - Elden Ring feature nearly the same fidelity. I'm ready for the next step. BB2 or Sekiro 2 plz
 

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Definitely BB2 or Sekiro 2, or even a new IP altoghether. Just no more Souls please lmao, not for a LONG while. Elden Ring broke my shit.
 

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Miyazaki talks about lessons learned with Elden Ring. I hope that means less empty open worlds and more legacy, great level design.

Open world has it's place, but ER overblew it.
 

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They took out all the cringe,
The only thing cringe here is your post
removed the worst sequences in the game,
Thanks for confirming you have shit taste
vastly improved the gameplay fluidity,
Just because Leon is more agile, doesn't mean the gameplay design is better
REmake 4 combat is closer to RE6 than it is to RE4 or even 5
Regardless OG 4 combat is still much tighter and challenging than the remake's
added tons of quality of life improvements,
Do tell exately what QoL improvements the original version needs (that aren't covered by the RE HD Project)?
and redesigned the main character to look like a relatable action guy
No way, fag
You seem upset.
 

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Miyazaki talks about lessons learned with Elden Ring. I hope that means less empty open worlds and more legacy, great level design.

Open world has it's place, but ER overblew it.
Remains to be seen..

"Famitsu: Do you still have the desire to create games on the scale of Elden Ring?
Miyazaki: Yes, I do. I can't say if it's something I can get to right away, but if I am allowed, I want to try. The staff and everyone probably feel the same, but we want to take advantage of this experience we had with Elden Ring, but rather than that and above all, creating huge worlds and adventures is amazingly fun. It thrills me."

Source
 

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Er sold 23 million copies. Of course he has the desire to keep making these.

We'll see if FromSoft is going to be stupid enough to let their most lucrative franchise sink to the ground by inducing an excessive amount of Souls fatigue on people.

I have a feeling the reason they decided to resurrect Armored Core is precisely that they felt they needed to diversify their output a bit. I doubt they had any illusion Armored Core was going to sell anywhere near as much another Soulsborne but they probably realized after Elden Ring they had to do something different.

If i'm right, reguardless of how much money they made we aren't going to actually see a sequel to Elden Ring for quite a bit. With that said, i'm confident the second they'll return to Souls it will be with Elden Ring 2.
 
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In a japanese interview after the release of ER Miyazaki said that his next fantasy game will be more "abstract", whatever that means, and will use ideas that he had for a long time but couldn't put in an action RPG format. I guess he always wanted to do more experimental stuff, but there was too much pressure to stick to their popular formula, but fromsoft is big enough now that is possible to juggle several projects at once and he can choose to only get involved in what he personally wants even if they keep using his name for marketing purposes.
 

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From used to make a lot of variety of games before the Souls hits.

I hope they make some anime games again, like Another Century's Episode, or Enchanted Arms.
You could also implement some Souls mechanics into these games too, like invasion or reflex based parry/dodge.
 

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From used to make a lot of variety of games before the Souls hits.

That was when games were a lot easier to make.

There's also the expectation now that a FromSoft game has to be something major. Can't get away with a minor side project anymore. The expectation for Armored Core proves this to be the case.
 

Zed Duke of Banville

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Er sold 23 million copies. Of course he has the desire to keep making these.

We'll see if FromSoft is going to be stupid enough to let their most lucrative franchise sink to the ground by inducing an excessive amount of Souls fatigue on people.

I have a feeling the reason they decided to resurrect Armored Core is precisely that they felt they needed to diversify their output a bit. I doubt they had any illusion Armored Core was going to sell anywhere near as much another Soulsborne but they probably realized after Elden Ring they had to do something different.

If i'm right, reguardless of how much money they made we aren't going to actually see a sequel to Elden Ring for quite a bit. With that said, i'm confident the second they'll return to Souls it will be with Elden Ring 2.
Even if FromSoftware put its largest team to work on a sequel to Elden Ring immediately after its release, it could still be expected that the sequel would require another three years to create (March 2019 for Sekiro to February 2022 for Elden Ring). As we know, FromSoftware has spent two years on an Elden Ring expansion, while also releasing Armored Core VI in August 2023, so we can expect that a full sequel to Elden Ring wouldn't be released until 2027, which in itself is not going to induce "an excessive amount of Souls fatigue on people".

Not to mention that Fromsoft had earlier released Dark Souls II, Bloodborne, and Dark Souls III in consecutive years, and even that didn't seem to materially harm sales. :M
 

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From used to make a lot of variety of games before the Souls hits.

That was when games were a lot easier to make.

There's also the expectation now that a FromSoft game has to be something major. Can't get away with a minor side project anymore. The expectation for Armored Core proves this to be the case.
That's so sad man.

If they can't be happy a game selling 200K copies, it means the company is going too big for its own good.
 

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From used to make a lot of variety of games before the Souls hits.

That was when games were a lot easier to make.

There's also the expectation now that a FromSoft game has to be something major. Can't get away with a minor side project anymore. The expectation for Armored Core proves this to be the case.
That's so sad man.

If they can't be happy a game selling 200K copies, it means the company is going to too big for its own good.

It's not an issue with FromSoft, it's the fans.

One of the reasons Armored Core was hyped so much is that at this point fans of this company expect nothing short of a Soulsborne level masterpiece and cannot concieve getting anything less. Armored Core turned out to be a very good game, but some didn't think it reached that level and i did notice some complaining, where as in terms of diversifying their output it was more than fine, but fine is no longer something they can afford to do. People want great and nothing else.

I don't think FromSoft can get away with releasing a fun side project even if they wanted to. The last time they tried with that VR game it barely even registered as existing.
 

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From used to make a lot of variety of games before the Souls hits.

That was when games were a lot easier to make.

There's also the expectation now that a FromSoft game has to be something major. Can't get away with a minor side project anymore. The expectation for Armored Core proves this to be the case.
That's so sad man.

If they can't be happy a game selling 200K copies, it means the company is going to too big for its own good.

It's not an issue with FromSoft, it's the fans.

One of the reasons Armored Core was hyped so much is that at this point fans of this company expect nothing short of a Soulsborne level masterpiece. Armored Core turned out to be a very fine game, but some didn't think it reached that level and i did notice some complaining, where as in terms of diversifying their output it was more than fine, but fine is no longer something they can afford to do. People want great and nothing else.
AC6 is easily one of the best From games, maybe not reaching to AC3 Last Raven or AC4 For Answer, but among the great.
The average Soulsborne "masterpiece" doesn't even come close to the feeling of combat where you can fly up, down, sideway while blasting your enemies to bits.

If From only makes Souls, one flop is gonna destroy the whole company.
 

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