From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

The idea that a femboy and anyone they fucked would be too taboo to create a myth about is beyond absurd.

This has nothing to do with taboo. Zeus turning into a bull and abducting Europa isn't there so that a couple Cretan furries can feel represented, it's an affirmation of the conquering male - a core value of contemporary human culture.

This is a general problem with From worldbulding. They write those stories in the guise of societal allegory, but there is no society behind them. Their ontology is confused, stuck between the Lovecraftian inhuman unknowable, and nebulous human sacral experience devoid of any of its natural practicality. It exists in the service of Miyazaki's end of days fetish, rather than trying to appear as if it could have ever been the standing order of things that involved more than just the pantheon alone.

When you remove the human component of the abstract/human dynamic of myth, the audiance will naturally try to humanize the abstract. This, in turn, makes stories like Miquella and Mogh lose all pretence of a higher meaning, and circle back to base physicality.

 

[Spike]

The idea that a femboy and anyone they fucked would be too taboo to create a myth about is beyond absurd.

This has nothing to do with taboo. Zeus turning into a bull and abducting Europa isn't there so that a couple Cretan furries can feel represented, it's an affirmation of the conquering male - a core value of contemporary human culture.

This is a general problem with From worldbulding. They write those stories in the guise of societal allegory, but there is no society behind them. Their ontology is confused, stuck between the Lovecraftian inhuman unknowable, and nebulous human sacral experience devoid of any of its natural practicality. It exists in the service of Miyazaki's end of days fetish, rather than trying to appear is if it could have ever been the standing order of things that involved more than just the pantheon alone.

When you remove the human component of the abstract/human dynamic of myth, the audiance will naturally try to humanize the abstract. This, in turn, makes stories like Miquella and Mogh lose al pretense of a higher meaning, and circle back to base physicallity.

Yes! Great take, and true. This is why their stories never truly sit right or ring true to me. There is something always missing. Because it is confused and half-thought. Some cool ideas for sure, some cool things going on. But nothing compared to a real fantasy author like Gene Wolfe and the rest.

 

[Silverfish]

Yes! Great take, and true. This is why their stories never truly sit right or ring true to me. There is something always missing. Because it is confused and half-thought. Some cool ideas for sure, some cool things going on. But nothing compared to a real fantasy author like Gene Wolfe and the rest.

Funny enough, this is something that B-team handled pretty well. DS2's setting seems a bit more fleshed out and is largely devoid of the end of days fetish, feeling more like an 80's fantasy novel with some of the details obscured.

 

[Ravielsk]

The idea that a femboy and anyone they fucked would be too taboo to create a myth about is beyond absurd.

This has nothing to do with taboo. Zeus turning into a bull and abducting Europa isn't there so that a couple Cretan furries can feel represented, it's an affirmation of the conquering male - a core value of contemporary human culture.

This is a general problem with From worldbulding. They write those stories in the guise of societal allegory, but there is no society behind them. Their ontology is confused, stuck between the Lovecraftian inhuman unknowable, and nebulous human sacral experience devoid of any of its natural practicality. It exists in the service of Miyazaki's end of days fetish, rather than trying to appear is if it could have ever been the standing order of things that involved more than just the pantheon alone.

When you remove the human component of the abstract/human dynamic of myth, the audiance will naturally try to humanize the abstract. This, in turn, makes stories like Miquella and Mogh lose al pretense of a higher meaning, and circle back to base physicallity.

Exactly, however I get the impression that this is more the consequence of From just refusing to do proper world building. They made a game with an entire Pantheon yet barely give us any actual info on the gods themselves.
So even if in Miyazaki's head there is some kind of context beyond "uwu femboy bussy" then we simply cannot perceive it when he is unwilling to plainly share even world building basics.

It would be like removing Zeus's mastery over lightning and his battle with the titans or that he is the 'head deity' but then keeping all his sexual escapade. By stripping out so much, even by simple omission, you end up presenting an entirely different character/story.

 

[MasPingon]

The idea that a femboy and anyone they fucked would be too taboo to create a myth about is beyond absurd.

This has nothing to do with taboo. Zeus turning into a bull and abducting Europa isn't there so that a couple Cretan furries can feel represented, it's an affirmation of the conquering male - a core value of contemporary human culture.

This is a general problem with From worldbulding. They write those stories in the guise of societal allegory, but there is no society behind them.

Please stop, this is beyond retarded. Myth is not a societal allegory.

 

[Stoned Ape]

There's also some Japanese stuff concerning the gender of deities which I wouldn't be surprised about being included in this. Some Kami were female when the major religion was Shinto but were then reimagined as male when the government became Buddhist. There's also some examples of Shinto deities that have male and female aspects along with genderless forms.

Trying to view any of the portrayal of the demigods through a positive LBGT representation lens because you want to get annoyed is pretty much as dumb as the idiots who consider Kami trans icons (which is blatant cultural appropriation in its truest sense, something which those people are supposedly against). A lot of modern people are myopic and only look at any subject as a means to reinforce their world view, whether that be left or right wing.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

Please stop, this is beyond retarded. Myth is not a societal allegory.

Sure, but I'm saying From's attempts at myth read as if they were actually attempting allegory, not myth. They lay out a puzzle box of oblique ideas, and expect the audience to solve it, except most of the tools used in the solution are external to the setting.

Myth is predominantly supposed to be the explanation, not a conceptual DIY kit.

 

[Ivan]

SOON

 

[Cryomancer]

Any details about how to start the DLC? Also, since the last update, I'm unable to play online in linux.

 

[Silva]

SOON

"Promise you'll bang me"

- Miquella

 

[d1r]

SOON

"Promise you'll bang me"

- Miquella

(only if you're male)

 

[Lyric Suite]

FromSoft needs to get new composers. The ones they had since DS3 are pretty mid.

Art at least is still pretty good.

 

[Silva]

Yeah, even Sekiro had pedestrian music.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Shit trailer. Btw, the latest patch nerfed everything into the ground again. It's like they're watching build videos and making lists. There is absolutely no design or any kind of vision regarding combat and weapons balance in this game. They just do whatever. Popular? Nerf. PvP morons cry about something? Nerf.
And radahn is now a pedo. The best character in the game turns diddler. I don't even.... I mean I knew that they always put what passes as story/lore in these games whatever it is they puked yesterday but this is...just confirmation at this point.

 

[Removal]

Any details about how to start the DLC? Also, since the last update, I'm unable to play online in linux.

gotta kill Radahan and Mohg and then interact with the egg in Mohg's arena

 

[9ted6]

Don't tell him about greek culture, the roman orgies, the catholic priests that owned brothels (which caused the necessity to call a vatican council to ban such happenings)... and that's just Europe.

Good 20th century revisionism.

Don't look up what greek philosophers actually said about sexual deviancy, like how they said it rots the mind and soul and destroys culture. They were especially harsh about homosexuality.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Some korean plays it

 

[Silva]

Don't tell him about greek culture, the roman orgies, the catholic priests that owned brothels (which caused the necessity to call a vatican council to ban such happenings)... and that's just Europe.

Good 20th century revisionism.

Don't look up what greek philosophers actually said about sexual deviancy, like how they said it rots the mind and soul and destroys culture. They were especially harsh about homosexuality.

If they were critic of those customs that means said customs were commonplace and disseminated.

 

[Baron Dupek]

Some update (~6 GB) dropped for the base game.
Removed flashbang from the intro and now you can call horse for 2nd phase of final fight.
cool

 

[d1r]

[...] and now you can call horse for 2nd phase of final fight.
cool

Why of all things would they change that now?

 

[Child of Malkav]

Why of all things would they change that now?

They just now discovered that it's within their power to make this fundamental change in so many players' lives.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Except no, Greeks weren't homos

I mean if you don't consider oiling up a 16 old boy's tights gay...

It's a fantasy constructed by some British homo hostorian

Man I love how much the Brits still make so many people seethe this much
God bless those wankers, the butthurt they've generated will live until the end times

As for mythology, none of that stuff was meant to be taken literally

Like any good tale you're not supposed to only read it with literalist lenses
But many people did very much believe those myths were real

or be a reflection of any kind of societal value.

That doesn't make sense when you think about it
Even going solely by your reductive definition of "it's nothing more than hidden knowledge (to keep the plebs out)", then it still implicitely has societal value and indeed reflects said society's ideals

Mythology is basically coded metaphysical or esoteric knowledge.

One could argue that so are most (if not all) stories of any kind
Anyway, imo is this a very reductive and boring way to view mythology, but oh well

That's the real "meaning" behind the use of myth in Plato's writings for instance.

I hope you're not thinking you're shedding light on some elusive secret, because this has been the mainstream interpretation for ages

the looming trojan horse that is GRRM's influence

I doubt it

Not to say fantasy isn't often a play on objective realities or archtypes (the best kind of fantasy most certainly is), but mythology is literal coded knowledge and it's very different from fantasy.

Seems like an arbitrary distinction
If both are transmitting those same objective realities/archtypes and esoterisms, then what's the fucking difference?

If the Gods like to copulate so much, it may just be because those myths are dealing with the relationship between trascendent principles, anthropormophized for the sake of keeping those higher truths hidden away from the uninitiated.

Or maybe the Gods like to copulate so much, because humans also like to copulate so much

Maybe the fundamental origin and purpose of myths isn't so the aristocrats of the soul (lol) can seperate themselves from the pitiful mass of hylics
Maybe Myth began as both a way early Man attempted to understand and give meaning to the world around him and as way to share tales around his campfire, to entertain and connect
Maybe as inumerous tragedies, triumphs, revelations and renovations from countless lives transformed Man's societies from tribe to civilization, so to did those myths grew in scale, in complexity and in importance
And maybe, as civilization become increasingly possible, so too did the thriving of a "high class" that valued intelectual pursuits, that through study and introspection discussed, assigned and produced additional works and meanings (some intentionally covered by an esoteric veil) to those myths - which survived to our day in collections of writtings, art and oral tradition (even if distorted sometimes)

Maybe, the reason why myths are filled with all manner of funny and fantastical shenanigans, is because being funny and fantastical is enough to captivate most people

 

[toro]

Well, I just refunded the DLC.

I wanted to build a character for the DLC but after 5 minutes in Limgrave I just couldn't muster the energy to continue.

I guess I will never play the DLC and probably this is it for me and FromSW games. It was nice while it lasted.

Good luck with the DLC.

 

[Baron Dupek]

I'm giving ER another chance - once reaching open world it got me with "damn, I don't enjoy open worlds". but fg release is sitll not there... or maybe wait for patch or two?

 

[H. P. Lovecraft's Cat]

Funny enough, this is something that B-team handled pretty well. DS2's setting seems a bit more fleshed out and is largely devoid of the end of days fetish, feeling more like an 80's fantasy novel with some of the details obscured.

There never was a B-team. That was an idea imagined by retarded fags.

I guess I will never play the DLC and probably this is it for me and FromSW games. It was nice while it lasted.

Good luck with the DLC.