Europa Universalis IV

[Tyrr]

Is that a man or a woman ?

Wondering how far you need to bend it over?

Wondering who's gonna be bottom.

The people who will buy it.

 

[Theodora]

im Keen to see if they can fuck up their '400 bugfixes' patch in the same way they managed with the last two

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

But why do they even call this origins ?

Yeah that is a weird title.
The origins of human civilization was arguably in the Fertile Crescent and China, not Africa, so it couldn't be referring to that. It's not even set during the right time period, unless the devs seem to think that civilization started around 1492 AD.

 

[kangaxx]

I'm running a Mexico game at the moment (Portugal new world rush -> Mexico), and honestly it's a real blast.

That said, they have totally fucked the native tribe mechanics in North America. I'm basically uncontested for the entire east coast, and will eat the Spanish outposts on the west coast with almost no difficulty. Why have they made colonising NA such a slog?

 

[Lady Error]

I'm running a Mexico game at the moment (Portugal new world rush -> Mexico), and honestly it's a real blast.

That said, they have totally fucked the native tribe mechanics in North America. I'm basically uncontested for the entire east coast, and will eat the Spanish outposts on the west coast with almost no difficulty. Why have they made colonising NA such a slog?

You know, I didn't like the moving tribes mechanic either. They could have chosen a middle ground between filling up NA to the brim and a few tribes moving around. Other colonizers are also too scared to attack the tribes in NA due to AE, though they have no qualms about doing it in Australia.

 

[kangaxx]

It's not just that, it's the fact that in the 1500s you get the odd tribe with the same Mil tech as you and they're boring to conquer... it becomes a game of Benny Hill chasing tiny stacks around. Retarded.

 

[Higher Game]

It's not just that, it's the fact that in the 1500s you get the odd tribe with the same Mil tech as you and they're boring to conquer... it becomes a game of Benny Hill chasing tiny stacks around. Retarded.

I suspect it's trying to be historically accurate.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

I'm running a Mexico game at the moment (Portugal new world rush -> Mexico), and honestly it's a real blast.

That said, they have totally fucked the native tribe mechanics in North America. I'm basically uncontested for the entire east coast, and will eat the Spanish outposts on the west coast with almost no difficulty. Why have they made colonising NA such a slog?

You know, I didn't like the moving tribes mechanic either. They could have chosen a middle ground between filling up NA to the brim and a few tribes moving around. Other colonizers are also too scared to attack the tribes in NA due to AE, though they have no qualms about doing it in Australia.

We have spoken about this before, but it would have been interesting if the game used a system like that of the Hordes in EUIII Divine Wind, for dealing with nomadic tribes in the Americas. You can't take the land because there ins't much to be taken and the locals pack it up. You have to go and colonize the land before it is yours, and the natives can attack and burn your colonial outposts and forts anytime.

Perhaps with the difference that its possible to deal with and settle the locals in your land as well, or simply kill them.

Coupled with the ability to move, it would have made for interesting and historically accurate situations.

 

[Theodora]

Well, today's the day, and the forums / reddit aren't flooded with bug reports yet.

The origins of human civilization was arguably in the Fertile Crescent and China, not Africa, so it couldn't be referring to that. It's not even set during the right time period, unless the devs seem to think that civilization started around 1492 AD.

Homo sapiens supposedly emerged across Africa -- https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(18)30117-4 -- but if that's the meaning, I'm not sure it really says what they want it to say in the 15th century...

 

[thesecret1]

Humans being out of africa is an outdated take. A couple years ago they found older human fossils in Greece IIRC

 

[Theodora]

Humans being out of africa is an outdated take. A couple years ago they found older human fossils in Greece IIRC

Wasn't that Israel? Regardless, if it's a pop culture reference, recent research wouldn't matter much to them.

 

[Seigneur Locklear]

I didn't bother to look at the patch notes but have they fixed the whole centralize development, ridiculous favor system and institution spread that would allow an entire world a roughly equal tech level by 1700?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Well, today's the day, and the forums / reddit aren't flooded with bug reports yet.

The origins of human civilization was arguably in the Fertile Crescent and China, not Africa, so it couldn't be referring to that. It's not even set during the right time period, unless the devs seem to think that civilization started around 1492 AD.

Homo sapiens supposedly emerged across Africa -- https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(18)30117-4 -- but if that's the meaning, I'm not sure it really says what they want it to say in the 15th century...

Civilization =/= the human species.
But yeah, either way it doesn't work.

 

[Riddler]

I didn't bother to look at the patch notes but have they fixed the whole centralize development, ridiculous favor system and institution spread that would allow an entire world a roughly equal tech level by 1700?

I believe they have at least fixed the centralise development and pillage mechanics. Don't know about the rest.

 

[Theodora]

Civilization =/= the human species.

That was my point.

Anyway, it's half a day later and there's still no huge complaints about bugs. People thought high AE with PUs was bugged, but apparently it's a nerf from actually fixing one.

Only other thing I even saw people talking about was some maths being thrown out of whack if you didn't have Conquest of Paradise enabled. The rest of the bugs being posted are isolated / no replies. Maybe they finally did a major patch that fixed more shit than it broke?

 

[Mortmal]

Just played ,nothing horrible in the first hours unlike leviathan , concentrated development is fixed, you can concentrate from possessions only and it doesnt concentrate much you are losing a lot to gain little in the capital. So i have not yet encountered a reason to use it , playing as mali. Portugal very agressive eating all of maghreb and the african coast. So far so good...

 

[Higher Game]

All those new projects make deliberate bankruptcies even better.

 

[fantadomat]

lol that shit is out. So how does it feel to be strong independent black womxn in 1444 ???

 

[fantadomat]

Humans being out of africa is an outdated take. A couple years ago they found older human fossils in Greece IIRC

I don't think that we have an identical single origin.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

All those new projects make deliberate bankruptcies even better.

Higher Game, you can't just bankrupt your way to success!

 

[Higher Game]

Higher Game, you can't just bankrupt your way to success!

Mutapa/Zimbabwe is now my favorite country, the land of kangz. I wonder if Europe would actually be correctly "overpowered" (historically accurately powered) if Paradox made Africana Universalis. They could even throw in sci-fi at that point because why not.

 

[fantadomat]

LoL the game is popamole at this point.

 

[Fedora Master]

Step 1: Open video
Step 2: Hear RUSSHIA AKKZENT
Step 3: Close video

 

[Fedora Master]

Better, also shows how retarded EUIV is if you didn't already know.

e: Mali gets a free colony in the Americas from a mission. Can't make that shit up.

 

[fantadomat]

It is amazing how shit that retard is at the game. At least the ruskie was passable lol.