Europa Universalis IV

[tuluse]

Can you actually get countries to do things during peace time now? Paradox games have always had really cool diplomacy for ending wars, but there's basically nothing to do during peace time.

 

[Renegen]

Yes, sort of. Although there's only a few new diplomatic actions to be made, the new transparent diplomatic system provides you with more possibilities to craft diplomatic objectives and plan your actions during peacetime. At a glance, you'll be able to see what each country thinks of you, wants and what room you have to manoeuvre. The elimination of the infamy system also means that diplomacy can act more directly on what your enemies think of you. Invest in "relations over time" stats to control others better during peace time or "diplomatic reputation" to force better deals. And things like diplomatic annexation is a lot more desirable now as it automatically gives you cores and saves precious administration points. The limit to how many diplomatic relations you can have makes the whole system more impactful. The espionage system is also simpler and possibly more effective.

 

[Ulminati]

First go at EU. Didn't play any other paradox games, save for some CK2. The complete n00bs guide recommends starting in Europe, so I picked Empress Black Cat's grorious nation of Nippon. I expect the rape to be majestic.

 

[tuluse]

First go at EU. Didn't play any other paradox games, save for some CK2. The complete n00bs guide recommends starting in Europe, so I picked Empress Black Cat's grorious nation of Nippon. I expect the rape to be majestic.

If it's like EU3, you'll be fine for like 100 years then reach a point where you're like "oh, I wish I had known that" and start a new game.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Guys, guys, I think... I think they're on to my plans.

(i am actually happy the ai is fucking me like that. connacht and scotland get to cover their tender asses, and france would be interested because if they get a massive war on me then they can snap up my mainland territories. i approve, videogame)

 

[Average Manatee]

First go at EU. Didn't play any other paradox games, save for some CK2. The complete n00bs guide recommends starting in Europe, so I picked Empress Black Cat's grorious nation of Nippon. I expect the rape to be majestic.

From what I've heard Japan is basically bugged in EU4. Daimyos can't unite Japan, and Japan proper has all of the daimyos as vassls, which wouldn't be a problem except that too many diplomatic relations at once in EU4 means they have 0 diplomacy power always.

If you want a good introduction I would try Vaginanigger in India. If you want majestic rape try the last remnants of the Mongol Khanate.

 

[pakoito]

If you want a good introduction I would try Vaginanigger in India.

Tell me that name ain't real.

 

[Hoaxmetal]

Think I'm gonna start a CK2 and finish it (for the first time) until winter sale so I can grab EU4 and first content dlc for cheap.

 

[Whisky]

So here I thought, "Whisky, your unified, Absolute Monarch, Norse Scottish Great Britain transferred over from CK2 will make the game way too easy."

Then my Norse German allies brought me into four different wars with all of the strongest nations in Europe. Hello War Weariness! Why yes, you absolutely fucked me up on the homefront while all my soldiers died in some hellhole in France!

By the way, is it just me, or do non-organized Pagan religions turn into Animists? Slavic Poland is now Animist Poland and while I could have sworn that the Suomenusko Russians were organized, they're also Animist now. Norse and Tengri (Which I can attest organized in CK2) transferred over just fine.

 

[Tigranes]

Starting at 1444 with the Archbishopric of Mainz, with the mission to spread hardline theocratic expansionism everywhere. Those who would not have bishops as Kings are not worthy. Those who would embrace tolerance policies must burn. Those who do not purge nonCatholic provinces in their realm will pay.

Haven't unpaused yet but I really really like the interface. Information is very clear despite numerous changes, many things are sorted well, and it's all quite very pretty (except for the creamy political map colours).

 

[pakoito]

What hapenned with gfx in province borders? I cannot see them as clearly as in CK2.

 

[Average Manatee]

If you want a good introduction I would try Vaginanigger in India.

Tell me that name ain't real.

No, but pretty damn close. If you were a foreigner with a heavy accent they probably sound the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayanagara_Empire

 

[Space Satan]

So far:
Pros:
- Damn lot of information. You can hover over anything and most probably there will be information about + and - you get.
- Build mode is a bliss after EU3.
- Manpower overhaul - it is MUCH more important than in EU3.
- Interface and UI are godly.
- A lot of diplomatic actions.
- A lot of diversity with ideas.
- Sieges are much cleared to understand.
- Leaders very rarely die next day after you hired them and you always can afford them.
- Missions and decisions are better than EU3.

Cons:
- Advisors is a big disappointment.
- Some disbalance in gold spending. You can have huge army but one advisor could cost more than 50k army.
- Coring is extremely cheap and hyperexpansion is way too easy.
- Missionaries sometimes stuck at 0% chance of conversion for decades.
- Diplomacy points to make peace is retarded.
- Fabricate claims ar einsanely overpowered.
- Lack of CB's like waging wars vs nomads is disappointing
- Technologies are cheap and lack cost progression, always 600 points so far.

 

[KoolNoodles]

So this being EU4, of course I'm going to get it at some point, but have to decide when. I'm liking a lot of what I'm seeing so far, but most of what I've read and see in LPs is from people playing in the same old west/east europe collection(boring). Can anybody tell me how islamic nations play, how east asian nations play, how african nations play, how north/south american nations play? Those are the interesting ones, not the easy as piss European powers.

And I don't want to know if it's possible to win with them, or whatever, but if it's actually compelling gameplay. It should be just as fascinating to play the rize of the Aztec empire amongst all the other Olmec tribes, as it is to fuck around with the HRE.

 

[Average Manatee]

So this being EU4, of course I'm going to get it at some point, but have to decide when. I'm liking a lot of what I'm seeing so far, but most of what I've read and see in LPs is from people playing in the same old west/east europe collection(boring). Can anybody tell me how islamic nations play, how east asian nations play, how african nations play, how north/south american nations play? Those are the interesting ones, not the easy as piss European powers.

And I don't want to know if it's possible to win with them, or whatever, but if it's actually compelling gameplay. It should be just as fascinating to play the rize of the Aztec empire amongst all the other Olmec tribes, as it is to fuck around with the HRE.

It's pretty much the same as Europeans except with slower tech. The gameplay is still centered around fabricating cores and expanding constantly.

China gets some ridiculously bad modifiers, 1/3rd of which are eliminated based on the faction in power. But I imagine it's rather painful to play. Japan is flat out broken, as mentioned. Otherwise there's not a ton of distinguishing features from what I saw.

Sadly there seems to be far less religious conflict since Holy War CBs require a specific idea to utilize, which 90% of nations probably won't get. Most of the time religion is just an opinion modifier.

 

[Space Satan]

Western and eastern european nations are not easy to play. War can throw you into bankrupcy and manpower is a precious resource you can no longer ignore. Plus, enemies have a habit of forming coalitions, which sometimes could be a real problem.

 

[Spectacle]

First go at EU. Didn't play any other paradox games, save for some CK2. The complete n00bs guide recommends starting in Europe, so I picked Empress Black Cat's grorious nation of Nippon. I expect the rape to be majestic.

From what I've heard Japan is basically bugged in EU4. Daimyos can't unite Japan, and Japan proper has all of the daimyos as vassls, which wouldn't be a problem except that too many diplomatic relations at once in EU4 means they have 0 diplomacy power always.

I united Japan as Hosokawa yesterday night, so playing as a Daimyo works fine. You're not supposed to play as the "Japan" tag in 1444, but I suppose that if you really want to you can simply cancel all the vassals then conquer them or whatever you want to do.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Yes, only Reformed pagans get a religion port in conversion.

 

[hakuroshi]

Just checked for you bro, and EU4 does NOT require Steam to run. Really surprised me since it has Steam achievements, Steam Cloud save support, and Steam multiplayer, but it absolutely runs without Steam.

That's good (and surprising) news! Thanks a lot, bro! Now waiting for Steam sale

 

[Kane]

The game is incline. For the multiplayer alone.

 

[Spectacle]

Yes, only Reformed pagans get a religion port in conversion.

Hellenic counts as reformed for this, if anyone wants to recreate a proper Roman Empire, or even Roman Republic.

 

[Malakal]

Hilarious highlights of my game:
1. Scotland conquered almost all of England due to England collapsing after a long war with France. Then a great Northumberland has risen in middle England and now three nations fight for power over the island.
2. Byzantium died almost instantly, huge incline over the eu3.
3. Saxony has replaced Austria as the big boy in HRE, claiming both the title of the emperor and lots of provinces.
4. Hungary is alive, kicking, and expanding into Austria despite being ruled by Habsburgs.
5. Tuscany has united the central Italy but is currently at war with a huge coalition so this wont last.

Nice things I noticed:
1. Minor nations send their troops to accompany major stacks.
2. AI knows when to take a battle and when to avoid attrition.

 

[oscar]

AI looks a lot more clued up. Some serious incline potential here.

Anyone got any juicy CK2 set ups?

 

[Kem0sabe]

It's disappointing to see so many apologists for Paradox DLC strategy in the official forums. I assume that any reasonable person would take an instant dislike to this release day madness of 7 DLC packs with the inevitable slew of other DLC soon to follow.

 

[Grinolf]

It's disappointing to see so many apologists for Paradox DLC strategy in the official forums. I assume that any reasonable person would take an instant dislike to this release day madness of 7 DLC packs with the inevitable slew of other DLC soon to follow.

But Paradox give some of the DLC for free as preorder bonus. And other are not really needed. So I don't think, that someone can be pissed for that.
Atleast they didn't yet cross the line, and if someone wish to pay them additional money, then they free to do it.