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Europa Universalis IV

Tigranes

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Just like EU2->EU3, it's different and good in its own right so worthwhile. The DLC policy I don't mind os much because every substantial CK2 DLC (i.e. not the sprite pack shit) was indeed substantial and these allowed Paradox to improve what was already a pretty good game significantly. I can see the same thing happening with EU4 and that is good.

I suppose if you don't like it you can wait for some Complete Edition a year or two down the line.
 

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And I'd say it IS better. Since at least this time around shit's happening all the time, it's not just "like other Paradox games, except with all the interesting stuff removed".
 

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EU IV is large improvement over EU III, even if I disagree with some mechanics or atleast their presentation.
 

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^ All those things are true, I wish it retained a little bit more of the old "rocks fall everyone dies" stuff which was taken away by providing players with clean, useful, well presented information + monarch points, but I certainly have no desire to go back to EU3, whereas back in the days I'd still fire up EU2 occasionally.
 

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I eventually got bored with EU3 so the different direction the 4 is going is a fresh new thing for me.
 
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I quess I will wait a while.... Meanwhile, those damn Swedes have some good deals at TPB :troll:

I'm slightly suspicious to new EU games simply because EU3 with In Nomine, HttT and Napoleon Ambitions was first EU game I played. Few years after I finally decided to take a look at EU2... and it's almost same fucking game only national ideas are not present (and AI is much dumber)*.

* "Historical Determinism" in EU2 is much overrrated, you DO get some real history events that will screw you up (especially Polish Liberum Veto, dumbest fucking law ever) but then you will get not-so-historical event to repair shit previous event broke.
 

Tigranes

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It is the same franchise and the core gameplay is not really going to be different. If you thought EU2 and EU3 were basically the same game I suppose you might think the same with EU4.
 
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It is the same franchise and the core gameplay is not really going to be different. If you thought EU2 and EU3 were basically the same game I suppose you might think the same with EU4.

That's true but, you know, CK2 was better at everything that CK1 did and was a different enough to completely justify purchase. That was deffinitely not the case with EU 2 and EU 3 (without all expansions).

But I just... tested EU 4 and I must say I'm quite satisfied. I can't say if it's "better" than EU 3 but it's definitely different enough. I especially like new coalitions system instead butt-fuck crazy "bad-boy".
 

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Finished Burgundy campaign today. I finally managed to decimate the colonial empires of old and not result in a new world that speaks only Spanish. Besides that, I played the HRE politics and generally acted as the Great Satan for the entire Western world, with the empire eventually covering most of Germany (though the Personal Unions with Brandenburg and Bavaria kinda mess up that pretty painted map; bizarro union was Prussia being in a union under Brandenburg, meaning personal union by proxy) as well as Bohemia, Silesia and Catalonia. Burgundy is also the Emperor, and the only Elector (best kind of elective monarchy), and I reformed the HRE up to Landfriede, since I wasn't going to exchange my cozy spot of many many bonuses for some German pricks while dealing with mounting penalties. De Bourgognes were the ruling house of Great Britain, Ireland and Brazil in addition to Burgundy (brief rule of Hungary also happened).

Now, since I decided to spend the rest of the game beating the living shit out of the Spanish in the 18th century, much lulz was had, but also the realization that if you want colonial revolts to succeed you gotta get your hands dirty and utterly demolish the former master. Spain got four massive wars with me as a result, but I enjoy the outcome on the map. For instance, there's a huge native culture kingdom of Mexico dominating center, half of South America belongs to La Plata, local imperialist power, and Brazil is my bro next to Burgundian Guyana-Brazil. Other lulz is Norwegian USA and Haiti AGAIN going all over the place when it revolts succesfully.

My own colonial game started late, with very little left for the taking. So, I did the only natural thing and took what I wanted, and then dealt with 100+% OE. But, having Burgundian South Africa and Burgundian Australia was worth it.
 

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I currently have colony in NA, and I wonder if I should vasalize Aztecs, grab some gold and one two provinces, and whatever. The trouble is it's 1600 and still no nice neighbour province to wasternize.
 

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I currently have colony in NA, and I wonder if I should vasalize Aztecs, grab some gold and one two provinces, and whatever. The trouble is it's 1600 and still no nice neighbour province to wasternize.

Colonizing is pointless if you cant steer the colonial trade to your capital trade node and make gold this way. Otherwise colonies wont ever be profitable.
 

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I currently have colony in NA, and I wonder if I should vasalize Aztecs, grab some gold and one two provinces, and whatever. The trouble is it's 1600 and still no nice neighbour province to wasternize.

Colonizing is pointless if you cant steer the colonial trade to your capital trade node and make gold this way. Otherwise colonies wont ever be profitable.
Can't you Collect too tho? I made decent money as Sweden from Chekaspeake Bay, since trade power there was almost 100% (due to total domination of North America).
 

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I colonized because I wanted core next to Portugal, or France... Well I guess I should do some war against Creeks, grab that province next to Portugal, and well...
 

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I currently have colony in NA, and I wonder if I should vasalize Aztecs, grab some gold and one two provinces, and whatever. The trouble is it's 1600 and still no nice neighbour province to wasternize.

Colonizing is pointless if you cant steer the colonial trade to your capital trade node and make gold this way. Otherwise colonies wont ever be profitable.
Can't you Collect too tho? I made decent money as Sweden from Chekaspeake Bay, since trade power there was almost 100% (due to total domination of North America).

You can of course but its way less cost effective and ultimately makes colonizing pointless.
 

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Why are hordes absolutely eating my soldiers for breakfast?

I've been fighting a huge Muslim Zaporozhian nomad blob as Byzantium. We have equal tech levels (10) and numbers, but in the shock phase they do something like 2500 casualties a round while I'm inflicting about 70. I have full maintenance, a decent general, a commandant and a fair amount of the Quality ideas so it seems bizarre how utterly my poor Greeks are being slaughtered by the Tartars.
 

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Why are hordes absolutely eating my soldiers for breakfast?

They have the strongest cavalry in the game. That is offset by

a) Cavalry power generally declining throughout the game in favor of infantry and artillery
b) Hordes having a shit tech level
c) Hordes not having access to comparably powerful cavalry of western nations on higher tech levels

The solution to your problems is simple: Don't fight Hordes early game.
 

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At that tech stage, Nomad cavalry and the fact they can have a shitload of cavalry without penalties leads to raperaperape in Shock phase.
 

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Guess that explains it. Interesting.

http://eu4wiki.com/Army#Nomad

Nomad cavalry (Mongol Steppe) is still only one point better than mine (Stratioti Cavalry)

I also noted that Nomad cavlary gets +25% shock on plains
 

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If you're new to the series then you should really pay attention to terrain bonuses. Back on EU3 I pretty much won the HRE in a single battle because of a couple of rivers and some hills even.
 

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They get also morale bonus to their army with high piety , byzantium doesnt get a bonus like that nor nearly the same amount of manpower, they are forced to go war all the time else a pretender doomstack appears, this results in higher military tradition and better generals t with the 100% infantry/cavalry better ratio on top. Also remember that if nomads get penalty in researching tech, they can still unlock the first idea very fast, here comes another +25% cavalry damage from nobility .They are completely viable and the min maxer dream country . I tried a game with little crimea, i think world conquest with a little optimization , could be possible:

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It is the same franchise and the core gameplay is not really going to be different. If you thought EU2 and EU3 were basically the same game I suppose you might think the same with EU4.

That's true but, you know, CK2 was better at everything that CK1 did and was a different enough to completely justify purchase. That was deffinitely not the case with EU 2 and EU 3 (without all expansions).

But I just... tested EU 4 and I must say I'm quite satisfied. I can't say if it's "better" than EU 3 but it's definitely different enough. I especially like new coalitions system instead butt-fuck crazy "bad-boy".
Thanks for this. Im deciding about buying it myself, and a little bit more convinced to do it now. I couldnt like EU3 because (I admit) its gfx engine being so ugly, but now I think I can finally return to EU. (that is, after finishing my current CK2 Old Gods campaign with Halfdan son of Ragnarr, brother of Ubba and Ivar the Boneless, against Alfred the Fag).
 
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I currently have colony in NA, and I wonder if I should vasalize Aztecs, grab some gold and one two provinces, and whatever. The trouble is it's 1600 and still no nice neighbour province to wasternize.

Colonizing is pointless if you cant steer the colonial trade to your capital trade node and make gold this way. Otherwise colonies wont ever be profitable.

Colonies are always profitable, it's basically free to begin with. Plus trade is automatically sent forward, and usually you only need to steer trade on at most one node (if an AI isn't steering it the right way already).
 

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so, how can i raise colonization distances? i cant even reach the Amerikas because of that damn colony distance limit thing.
 

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