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Just having a large army doesn't = Quantity, retards. Quantity implies a focus on numbers over Quality. Having a focus on both Quantity and Quality should leave you with a focus on nothing at all.

Have you perhaps considered that since your view is the minority here it is the "retarded" one? And you maybe dont have the monopoly to tell us what should we understand as quantity? For an average monkey you are a real dumbfuck.

Just having a large army doesn't = Quantity, retards. Quantity implies a focus on numbers over Quality. Having a focus on both Quantity and Quality should leave you with a focus on nothing at all.

Have you perhaps considered that since your view is the minority here it is the "retarded" one? And you maybe dont have the monopoly to tell us what should we understand as quantity? For an average monkey you are a real dumbfuck.
Manatees aren't monkeys tho. You're probably thinking of macaques, you silly potato.

Regardless, I fully agree that Manatee's viewpoint is unflatteringly said retarded. Quality vs Quantity only ever works in video games like that. In reality, creating a large real army was a challenge, but not one where you had to sacrifice quality. Beyond just the example of Napoleon's and Frederick's armies, you can look at the Wehrmacht, or the post-Barbarossa Red Army. EU4 does model the development of a military rather well in a way, since armies evolve gradually in it and ultimately do reflect certain doctrines through the combination of idea groups. As said, the real problem is not the military ideas, but the fact the other ideas don't have the same kind of synergy and pivotal effect (outside of the ones that also affect your military capacity through leader cap or maintenance reduction).

Advisors - "My lord, should we focus on recruiting the best soldiers possible or focus on recruiting as many as possible?"

King - "Do both lol."

Advosirs - "Does this dumbfuck king not understand 'exclusive or'?"
 

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Except you focus on one, then you have it, then you can focus on the other. I don't understand why that's so hard to figure out. Just because you embiggen yourself doesn't mean you can't get more dakka later.
 

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Advisors - "My lord, should we focus on recruiting the best soldiers possible or focus on recruiting as many as possible?"

King - "Do both lol."

Advosirs - "Does this dumbfuck king not understand 'exclusive or'?"

Because quality ideas is about making your troops perform better in battle, recover from it faster and improving quality of their equipment.
Quantity ideas is about increasing of number avaiable recruits, making them cheaper to maintain and improving your state ability to support larger armies.

And if you look in events files, you will see, that not only the contradict to each other, but having quality and quantity will greatly reduce number of negative events from both idea froups. So they meant to work together by game design.

So it isn't you in that situation, who should thrown word "dumbfuck" around.
 

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Advisors - "My lord, should we focus on recruiting the best soldiers possible or focus on recruiting as many as possible?"

King - "Do both lol."

Advosirs - "Does this dumbfuck king not understand 'exclusive or'?"

How about:

Advisor - "My lord, should we focus on recruiting the best soldiers possible or focus on recruiting as many as possible?"

King - "Form the best into my royal guard to protect my person and be used in crucial engagements and raise as many regiments as possible to form the general army".

Advisor - "My liege your wisdom has no bounds"
 
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Advisors - "My lord, should we focus on recruiting the best soldiers possible or focus on recruiting as many as possible?"

King - "Do both lol."

Advosirs - "Does this dumbfuck king not understand 'exclusive or'?"

How about:

Advisor - "My lord, should we focus on recruiting the best soldiers possible or focus on recruiting as many as possible?"

King - "Form the best into my royal guard to protect my person and be used in crucial engagements and raise as many regiments as possible to form the general army".

Advisor - "My liege your wisdom has no bounds"

Great, now lets just find this "royal guard" unit type... oh wait, it doesn't exist.

General army is all there is in EU.

Except you focus on one, then you have it, then you can focus on the other. I don't understand why that's so hard to figure out. Just because you embiggen yourself doesn't mean you can't get more dakka later.

Except you don't just do it once and it's done. Focus implies continuation of focus. If you take quantity and start drafting every male between the age of 15 and 40 you can't turn around next year and take quantity to magically turn every one of those soldiers into perfectly fit and meticulously drilled soldiers. You're either doing one or the other, they are mutually contradictory. If you want a little of both, you shouldn't be focusing on quantity or quality.

Sliders in EU3 modeled this perfectly.
 

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So here's the counter point, Germany in WW2. They scraped everything there was to scrape among their population for soldiers and yet these soldiers fought better 1 for 1 than any other soldier until the end.
 

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There's plenty of historical examples of armies that were big (as % of population) but were also high-quality.

Prussia, the very definition of drill and discipline, had
the fourth-largest army (60,000 soldiers) in Europe, but was twelfth in population size (2.5 million). This was maintained with a budget of five million thalers (out of a total state budget of seven million thalers).
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Explain this "mutual contradiction"
 

Raghar

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5/7 of budget just spend for army maintenance...

That's Prussia for you, they were never sane.
 

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Yea, army quality isn't really about strict standards of recruit quality, but doctrine, equipment, training, and command.
 

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Said the guy from the country that was liberated by American military might... twice.

You don't try to say, that Nazi were kicked out of Poland by "american military might", do you? First I thought, that that is too retarded to even assume that someone meant it. But I didn't have a choice, since I couldn't even guess what second case could be.
 

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The Prussian Army is the most overrated military organization in history.

That actually would be the US army that despite not fighting even one serious enemy is somehow considered the best.
Said the guy from the country that was liberated by American military might... twice.

Alas not even once. And "liberated" isnt the best word to describe 50 years of communist dictatorship after that. More accurately would be: "from a country that changed hands while its allies did nothing to honor their agreements"

Poland actually had great military victories over stronger enemies that were in the big players league. USA? Part of the coalition against the Third Reich? And thats pretty much it.
 

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You don't try to say, that Nazi were kicked out of Poland by "american military might", do you? First I thought, that that is too retarded to even assume that someone meant it. But I didn't have a choice, since I couldn't even guess what second case could be.
Perhaps he thought you are from France.
 

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Perhaps he thought you are from France.

But he didn't quote me, but Malakal, who clerly states that he is from Poland. There couldn't be any confusion there. So I really want to hear stories from him about how brave american soldiers fought Nazi in Poland.
 

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Perhaps he thought you are from France.

But he didn't quote me, but Malakal, who clerly states that he is from Poland. There couldn't be any confusion there. So I really want to hear stories from him about how brave american soldiers fought Nazi in Poland.
Personally I found stories about how noble Red Army soldiers liberated Poland more amusing.
 

Grinolf

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Personally I found stories about how noble Red Army soldiers liberated Poland more amusing.

There is a major difference: Red Arly really did most of the dirty work in kicking Nazi asses.
But one may found amusing whatever one like. It didn't really matter there. Well, until that one state something like "Poland was liberated by american military might". But I, for some reason, don't think, that you want to join to that guy in his quest to look like ignorant retard.
 

Malakal

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To change the subject from this current retarded one with the addition of judaism to CK2 we can expect judaism in EU4 in converted games. Also a jewish state. What national ideas and religious bonuses do you envision for jews?
 
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Lord of the Shekels, 100% more tax income

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Grinolf

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I am not care much about converter. More about inclusion religious minorities, with jews of course, into vanilla EU4. But I guess, that it easier to wait until MEIOU and Taxes became playable. Since Paradox staff didn't show any signs of enthusiasm about it, despite having example of comlete and working system before them.
 

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