Europa Universalis IV

[Jugashvili]

In 1941 Japanese realized that trying to expand in USSR is futile and that they should focus on expanding in the opposite direction, and on April 13, 1941 Japan and USSR signed a neutrality pact. An it was Japan which attacked and deadlocked itself on Americans.

Absolutely.

Also, this allowed the Soviets to shift 18 divisions of quality troops from the Siberian and far Eastern Military Districts to Moscow, contributing to stop the German advance. The Japanese didn't make a move even though the Soviet eastern border was weakened until they massed forces there again in 1945 for the invasion of Manchukuo.

 

[Malakal]

In 1941 Japanese realized that trying to expand in USSR is futile and that they should focus on expanding in the opposite direction, and on April 13, 1941 Japan and USSR signed a neutrality pact. An it was Japan which attacked and deadlocked itself on Americans.

Absolutely.

Also, this allowed the Soviets to shift 18 divisions of quality troops from the Siberian and far Eastern Military Districts to Moscow, contributing to stop the German advance. The Japanese didn't make a move even though the Soviet eastern border was weakened until they massed forces there again in 1945 for the invasion of Manchukuo.

Not exactly, those divisions were not used during the Moscow offensive, they came later in 1942.

And Japan did try to expand into Siberia but got beaten bad. Badly. Very badly. Japanese land forces were a joke, even compared to the soviet troops.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

In 1941 Japanese realized that trying to expand in USSR is futile and that they should focus on expanding in the opposite direction, and on April 13, 1941 Japan and USSR signed a neutrality pact. An it was Japan which attacked and deadlocked itself on Americans.

Absolutely.

Also, this allowed the Soviets to shift 18 divisions of quality troops from the Siberian and far Eastern Military Districts to Moscow, contributing to stop the German advance. The Japanese didn't make a move even though the Soviet eastern border was weakened until they massed forces there again in 1945 for the invasion of Manchukuo.

Not exactly, those divisions were not used during the Moscow offensive, they came later in 1942.

And Japan did try to expand into Siberia but got beaten bad. Badly. Very badly. Japanese land forces were a joke, even compared to the soviet troops.

If you're referring to the various border incidents the Japanese and Soviets had, it wasn't quite that clear-cut, overall the two sides were fairly equal but the writing on the wall was that the Red Army would put up a tough fight they might not win. But it is absolutely true that Japan could have done precisely jack and shit to help Germany with the Soviet Union after Midway.

The Neutrality Pact with the Soviet Union was opportunism on both sides to just keep the other guy off their backs, Soviet Union in regards to invading in the West and Japan with the aforementioned opposite direction of China and the European colonies in South-East Asia. Of course, eventually the Soviet Union would just disregard the pact and earlier promises of ending the pact prematurely in April 1946, and invaded Manchuria anyway (in usual Russian style declaring war after the fact).

 

[fizzelopeguss]

"from a country that changed hands while its allies did nothing to honor their agreements"

when honouring agreements meant going toe to toe with a power even more rape thirsty and deadly than the krauts...yeah, fuck poland.

You started the war anyway.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...uses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html

 

[Malakal]

"from a country that changed hands while its allies did nothing to honor their agreements"

when honouring agreements meant going toe to toe with a power even more rape thirsty and deadly than the krauts...yeah, fuck poland.

You started the war anyway.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...uses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html

I didnt mean declaring war on the Soviet Union, I meant declaring war on the Third Reich and then moving in with their superior numbers from the west. Because they HAD more troops, tanks and overall armament.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...uses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html

I am so right.

 

[Grinolf]

In 1941 Japanese realized that trying to expand in USSR is futile and that they should focus on expanding in the opposite direction, and on April 13, 1941 Japan and USSR signed a neutrality pact. An it was Japan which attacked and deadlocked itself on Americans.

It was actually the both. The fact, that Japand already was beaten by Soviet Union ensured, that they didn't underestimate Red Army strenght like Hitler, and knew that resulted war would be bloody and need many resources. And USA embargo made prospect on that war even more grim. So in the end their only viable option was expansion in South East Asia and war with USA. Or abadoning their imperial ambitions of course.

 

[Malakal]

Also how would they even expand into Siberia? They would have to build all the infrastructure not to mention that oil reserves there werent discovered nor ready for exploitation. Siberia as a valued land is more latter half of the XX century.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Also how would they even expand into Siberia? They would have to build all the infrastructure not to mention that oil reserves there werent discovered nor ready for exploitation. Siberia as a valued land is more latter half of the XX century.

Japs had a bit of a complex about living space, being a relatively small island and all. The original thought was that the Red Army would be a easily beaten in a second take of Russo-Japanese War which in turn would mean an easy landgrab, but when it turned out that it'd be a hell of a fight...

 

[Corporate_Jew_Master]

Also how would they even expand into Siberia? They would have to build all the infrastructure not to mention that oil reserves there werent discovered nor ready for exploitation. Siberia as a valued land is more latter half of the XX century.

Japs had a bit of a complex about living space, being a relatively small island and all. The original thought was that the Red Army would be a easily beaten in a second take of Russo-Japanese War which in turn would mean an easy landgrab, but when it turned out that it'd be a hell of a fight...

Well Khalin Gol did give them a bloody nose...and ass, for that matter.

But someone mentioned that the main reason was the US embrago and he would be right. They barely had the resources to keep their war machine going and at the time Southeast asia looked like a far better prospect than Siberia.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Also how would they even expand into Siberia? They would have to build all the infrastructure not to mention that oil reserves there werent discovered nor ready for exploitation. Siberia as a valued land is more latter half of the XX century.

Japs had a bit of a complex about living space, being a relatively small island and all. The original thought was that the Red Army would be a easily beaten in a second take of Russo-Japanese War which in turn would mean an easy landgrab, but when it turned out that it'd be a hell of a fight...

Well Khalin Gol did give them a bloody nose...and ass, for that matter.

But someone mentioned that the main reason was the US embrago and he would be right. They barely had the resources to keep their war machine going and at the time Southeast asia looked like a far better prospect than Siberia.

Not really a bloody nose, the casualties between the two sides in Khalkin Gol were comparative to each other. The Japanese military leadership there was also all itching to continue with a new counter-offensive, but the ceasefire put a stop to that.

Though the Japanese never really stood a chance of winning in Siberia. They simply didn't have the logistics present for that.

 

[Sranchammer]

This is stupid talk. No human government is influenced by geography!

 

[RedScum]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?733017-Europa-Universalis-IV-Conquest-of-Paradise

New DLC for EUIV.

 

[Whisky]

Randomized new world sounds like it could be cool.

 

[Malakal]

Meh, New World. WHO CARES. Really. Nothing worth noting until XIX century.

 

[Delterius]

So far the most interesting thing I see is the concept of decentralized sprawling empires. For one I could totally see this same concept applied to european conquest as well as colonization - the forming of a composite monarchy might just be more interesting than becoming world superpower by the 1700s. Also playing with large vassals is rather cool.

What's is more important, however, is that the greater odds of independence might just make sure the map of America looks better in the endgame. As opposed to the french/dutch/spanish/portuguese patchwork I often see. : ocd:

 

[KoolNoodles]

The "New World" needs practically a completely separate expansion to work in EU4. Like how they finally addressed Japan/Asia with Divine Wind for EU3. Too bad there aren't very many natives around with purchasing power to effect change. How about an agrarian/urban tech tree/buildings for the Mississippians? More nomadic for plains/mountain NA natives? Proper usage of governments like the Iroquois Confederacy and their adaptability to change? All of that being completely different from the Aztecs/Mayans, which would be completely different from the Incans, etc.

That would be nice.

Here's hoping the expansion bridges the gap at least a little bit. Would also like to see more than a dozen tribes/empires. There were hundreds(and hundreds).

 

[Average Manatee]

In any case, the mere fact that the US deadlocked Japan saved the Soviets from being overrun.

In 1941 Japanese realized that trying to expand in USSR is futile and that they should focus on expanding in the opposite direction, and on April 13, 1941 Japan and USSR signed a neutrality pact. An it was Japan which attacked and deadlocked itself on Americans.

I was speaking purely of military effect, not strategic decisions. If you want to talk about those, you have to also consider the US oil embargo which massively affected Japanese strategy throughout the war.

 

[Malakal]

In any case, the mere fact that the US deadlocked Japan saved the Soviets from being overrun.

In 1941 Japanese realized that trying to expand in USSR is futile and that they should focus on expanding in the opposite direction, and on April 13, 1941 Japan and USSR signed a neutrality pact. An it was Japan which attacked and deadlocked itself on Americans.

I was speaking purely of military effect, not strategic decisions. If you want to talk about those, you have to also consider the US oil embargo which massively affected Japanese strategy throughout the war.

But then point is there was no available oil in the Siberia then so Japan didnt have much choice - it was either import from USA (which would have then to supply a militaristic power in its conquests - unlikely) or invade Indonesia and that meant war with European nations and USA in the long term. Ultimately Japan has no real choice unless it diverted all of its industry to land forces and focused on unmechanized warfare in Siberia - not only military suicide but also unfeasible as far as Japaense politics are concerned.

 

[Delterius]

The devs have mentioned it would be rather easy for a modder to apply the randomization to the entirety of the map, so there's that.

 

[RedScum]

Some new event pictures for the upcomming DLC, if anyone cares.

Spoiler

 

[BelisariuS.F]

You started the war anyway.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...uses-Poland-of-starting-Second-World-War.html

In Putin's Russia the victim is guilty of being assaulted

 

[oscar]

Ya should have handed over Danzig

 

[Raghar]

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

 

[Grinolf]

Not really a bloody nose, the casualties between the two sides in Khalkin Gol were comparative to each other. The Japanese military leadership there was also all itching to continue with a new counter-offensive, but the ceasefire put a stop to that.

When side, that was defeated, abadon all plans for furher expansion in that region and get impressive number of casualities, that were politically killed, then one could say that that side was not only beaten but also humilated.
The fact, that someone in Japan military wanted to continue the conflict, look more like attempt to save face after fiasco, than viable military strategy.

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

It is absurd thing to say, that handing over Danzing to Germany could somehow prevent WW2. Although that dude was still right about Poland leadership being delusional incompetent dicks, who had some big friends and thought, that said friends would care even slightly about Poland well-being. Not sure why poles becoming so angry, when someone stated that.

 

[Luzur]

So about that randomized new world thing. They mention it is a completely randomized American continent, with the example given that it might be just a few islands to stopover on the way to India. It seems to me that the technology behind this feature wasn't developed solely for use in this DLC. Which causes me to speculate a little bit about what other projects they might currently be working on. Might it be a game with randomized maps and not their normal historical grand strategy games? Some 4x grand strategy game perhaps? Whether sci-fi, fantasy, or some sort of quasi-historical setting?

I sure hope so because that would be the tits. I've often wanted to play games with paradox gameplay that aren't historical simulators. Games where each game could be radically different(and unknown to the player beforehand) instead of being the same starting scenario every time.

ya know, i have had this same idea for awhile, of a Paradox fantasy empire building strategy game EU-Crusaders melding clone thing.