Europa Universalis IV

[Luzur]

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

that happened alot to Poland throughout history.

 

[Serus]

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

that happened alot to Poland throughout history.

What ? If you mean the partitions in late 1700s the situation was the exact oposite, Poland was already practically a vassal of Russia for decades, with no army to speak of and no ambitions. Nothing in common with the situation above. And what other "alot" are you babling about i have not the slightest idea. Luzur - you of all people giving this ignorant crap... sad.

To Raghar: the word you are looking is "geopolitics".

Can we go back to the subject - EU IV i think it was.

 

[Delterius]

In before someone proposes a Poland partition historical event.

 

[Sranchammer]

Why not? If the right parameters are met, a large nation should be able to be broken down

 

[Malakal]

Because there is no need for that, in some situations all nations can and do get partitioned by their neighbors. Often happens with Poland, Bohemia, sometimes even Austria and France.

 

[Luzur]

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

that happened alot to Poland throughout history.

What ? If you mean the partitions in late 1700s the situation was the exact oposite, Poland was already practically a vassal of Russia for decades, with no army to speak of and no ambitions. Nothing in common with the situation above. And what other "alot" are you babling about i have not the slightest idea. Luzur - you of all people giving this ignorant crap... sad.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

 

[Malakal]

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

that happened alot to Poland throughout history.

What ? If you mean the partitions in late 1700s the situation was the exact oposite, Poland was already practically a vassal of Russia for decades, with no army to speak of and no ambitions. Nothing in common with the situation above. And what other "alot" are you babling about i have not the slightest idea. Luzur - you of all people giving this ignorant crap... sad.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

No Poland was not invaded a lot by great powers. Not before 1650s. Ukraine was raided and attacked by Muslims and Lithuania was raided and attacked by Russians but thats it. Some border conflicts with the Teutonic Order maybe but they never reached very far into the Polish lands.

 

[Luzur]

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

that happened alot to Poland throughout history.

What ? If you mean the partitions in late 1700s the situation was the exact oposite, Poland was already practically a vassal of Russia for decades, with no army to speak of and no ambitions. Nothing in common with the situation above. And what other "alot" are you babling about i have not the slightest idea. Luzur - you of all people giving this ignorant crap... sad.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

No Poland was not invaded a lot by great powers. Not before 1650s. Ukraine was raided and attacked by Muslims and Lithuania was raided and attacked by Russians but thats it. Some border conflicts with the Teutonic Order maybe but they never reached very far into the Polish lands.

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• 1576–1582, Livonian War
• 1600–1629 Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629)
• 1605–1618, Polish-Muscovite War (1605 - 1618)
• 1618–1648, Thirty Years' War
• 1654–1656, Polish-Russian War (1654-1656)
• 1655–1661, Northern Wars
• 1658–1667, Polish-Russian War (1658-1667)
• 1667–1671, Polish-Cossack-Tatar War (1666-1671)
• 1672–1676, Ottoman-Commonwealth War (1672-1676)
• 1700–1721, Great Northern War
• 1733–1738, War of the Polish Succession
• 1792, Polish-Russian War of 1792

but anyway, should i have refrased it as "that happened alot to Poland after 1650" then?

but it doesnt matter, onward with the EU discussion.

 

[Malakal]

Again those were border wars that did not in any way influence Polish territories. And some of them can hardly be called invasions of Poland.

 

[poocolator]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?733017-Europa-Universalis-IV-Conquest-of-Paradise

New DLC for EUIV.

This is an interesting development. I wonder how they'll assign names to the provinces of the new new world.

 

[Grinolf]

This is an interesting development. I wonder how they'll assign names to the provinces of the new new world.

Look like the old names would be randomly given to new provinces.

 

[Kane]

a completely randomized EU would be ace. it puts exploration where exploration belongs.

 

[Borelli]

Your colonies being your "vassals" instead of your territories i like. Will totally change the feel of the colonization game for the better IMO. Randomized map sounds ... interesting but to this point it wasn't a Paradox's thing.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

No Poland was not invaded a lot by great powers.

• 1600–1629 Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629)
• 1618–1648, Thirty Years' War
• 1655–1661, Northern Wars
• 1700–1721, Great Northern War

Sweden is not a great power.

 

[Luzur]

Your colonies being your "vassals" instead of your territories i like. Will totally change the feel of the colonization game for the better IMO. Randomized map sounds ... interesting but to this point it wasn't a Paradox's thing.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

No Poland was not invaded a lot by great powers.

• 1600–1629 Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629)
• 1618–1648, Thirty Years' War
• 1655–1661, Northern Wars
• 1700–1721, Great Northern War

Sweden is not a great power.

 

[Raghar]

Your colonies being your "vassals" instead of your territories i like. Will totally change the feel of the colonization game for the better IMO. Randomized map sounds ... interesting but to this point it wasn't a Paradox's thing.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

No Poland was not invaded a lot by great powers.

• 1600–1629 Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629)
• 1618–1648, Thirty Years' War
• 1655–1661, Northern Wars
• 1700–1721, Great Northern War

Sweden is not a great power.

Well list of great powers of 1900 is this:
Brittish Empire
US
Germany
France
Habsburk monarchy
Russia

Sweden isn't in that list. However when we are looking at list of EU powers of 1600...

 

[Luzur]

Your colonies being your "vassals" instead of your territories i like. Will totally change the feel of the colonization game for the better IMO. Randomized map sounds ... interesting but to this point it wasn't a Paradox's thing.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

No Poland was not invaded a lot by great powers.

• 1600–1629 Polish–Swedish War (1600–1629)
• 1618–1648, Thirty Years' War
• 1655–1661, Northern Wars
• 1700–1721, Great Northern War

Sweden is not a great power.

Well list of great powers of 1900 is this:
Brittish Empire
US
Germany
France
Habsburk monarchy
Russia

Sweden isn't in that list. However when we are looking at list of EU powers of 1600...

*sigh* http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/society/history/power-period.html

and if you force me enough, i can open up some books and quote some views points by foreign powers on Sweden.

but this isnt History Thread.

 

[Serus]

Wasn't Poland called micro great power? Aka country that couldn't have chance to be a great power, but who is acting as one. Then two real great powers decided they had enough, and as everyone expected there was no Poland anymore.

that happened alot to Poland throughout history.

What ? If you mean the partitions in late 1700s the situation was the exact oposite, Poland was already practically a vassal of Russia for decades, with no army to speak of and no ambitions. Nothing in common with the situation above. And what other "alot" are you babling about i have not the slightest idea. Luzur - you of all people giving this ignorant crap... sad.

so, you where not invaded alot by other great powers during your history then? man, all those history books must be lies then.

Luzur, you are not making a lot of sense in your last few "history themed" posts. As a guy with generally good taste in games (or more precisely, a taste i share to some extent :D) you shoud stick to writing about games - not history, especially in a topic about a game outside GD as this one. Which was sort of my initial point.

 

[Malakal]

*sigh* http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/society/history/power-period.html

and if you force me enough, i can open up some books and quote some views points by foreign powers on Sweden.

but this isnt History Thread.

Sweden like Poland was a regional power at best. It never had demographic or economical power for more. So Sweden beat Denmark, Poland and Russia a few times when those were weak, so what? Those werent great powers of the time either.

If we are talking great power we are talking France, Habsburg dominion, Ottoman Empire. Nothing more before 1700s. Then Russia and UK comes to that.

Again: projecting power over what essentially is Baltic coast isnt a sign of great power.

 

[Raghar]

but this isnt History Thread.

Isn't it purpose of all threads about EU IV to change into talks about history at page 20 and onward? Throwing rants about bugs at Paradox is useless.

 

[Luzur]

but this isnt History Thread.

Isn't it purpose of all threads about EU IV to change into talks about history at page 20 and onward? Throwing rants about bugs at Paradox is useless.

true that.

Luzur, you are not making a lot of sense in your last few "history themed" posts. As a guy with generally good taste in games (or more precisely, a taste i share to some extent :D) you shoud stick to writing about games - not history, especially in a topic about a game outside GD as this one. Which was sort of my initial point.

what can i say, most of you instantly read "POLAND IS SHIT" or something because i missed to add "after 1650" to my initial post.

 

[Sranchammer]

the current version of EU4 is unplayable

 

[Malakal]

Why?

 

[Raghar]

Because of 200 000 rebel stacks?

 

[Malakal]

Then dont let them rebel? Stability up, forces on provinces with revolt risk, extreme measures, -rr decisions?

There is a difference between "game is unplayable" and "game is too hard for me to play". Guess in which category are those complaints usually.

 

[Sranchammer]

The ping-pong battles for one. I can understand a defeat, but for a large, enemy force to frolic across an entire country following another army over and over and over is preposterous. The logistics in this game make little to no sense.

Reading through the EU4 wiki and found this gem

This is a game about logistics and thus the one with the most units usually wins.