Fallout 4 Pre-Announcement Bullshit Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Seerix]

Hey, they could always do worse. Like with that fake leak casting documents implying that FO4 will be like Mass Effect. Bethesda is property of Zenimax, they could make them do a Fallout Racer if they decided it's a good idea*

But AFAIK Bethesda is for now still the only maker of sandbox action rpg games in the industry with potential competitors being in various states of production. That could mean one can hope that they could try harder this time, they'd definitely not improve rpg elements but sandbox is something that can be improved indefinitely almost and they could use some of that considering all of their games after Morrowind feel like set in mockup landscapes. EA level of idiocy from Zenimax is doubtful until after FO4 I think, then there will be other sandbox games and the lovely board of executives will decide what's most profitable.

*which could be pretty fun lol

 

[Bleed the Man]

Bethesda is property of Zenimax, they could make them do a Fallout Racer if they decided it's a good idea*

Zenimax is Bethesda. Not sure what are you trying to say here.

 

[Lemming42]

About that wishlist:

The finale of Fallout: New Vegas was a battle between the Roman Legion and the New California Republic

Not bad, second paragraph of the first item on the list and they've already got the name of a faction wrong. Either way, as for the wishlist as a whole-
EPIC BATTLES - Yeah, unnecessary and stupid. Fallout 3's battle for the purifier was hilariously shitty, and the battle for Hoover Dam was pretty poorly done (but touches like the Boomers flying in kinda saved it).
IMPROVED CRAFTING SYSTEM - I never even used the crafting system in Fo3 or FNV.
EMERGENT GAMEPLAY - That's a buzzword that doesn't mean a lot.
LIVLIER CITIES - Can't argue with that.
NEW ANIMATIONS - How about just firing Bethesda's animators since they fuck it up every single time.
MULTIPLE QUEST ROUTES - Can't argue here.
NEW GUNPLAY - The point about needing new gunplay is right, but check this out - "The VATS system in the Fallout games is terrific".
NO BUGS - What a weird thing to put on a wishlist, I actually wish for more bugs until the game is literally unplayable
SURVIVAL MODE - I know a lot of people are into this (one look at the top rated Skyrim or Fallout NV mods proves this) but I couldn't be bothered with "HARDCORE MODE" in NV because who gives a shit about finding food and water when you're supposed to be exploring the map.
VEHICLES - Bad idea. They refer to the Highwayman, ignoring the fact that this only worked because of the world map. Imagine vehicles in a Gamebryo game.
NEW GRAPHICS ENGINE - Would be nice.
ROGUE MODE - Would be stupid.
A WHOLE NEW WORLD - This is another weird wish, I for one was hoping that the Fallout 4 map is literally an exact replica of the Fallout 3 map with no changes at all (but more bugs)
BASE BUILDING - Is not necessary
CO-OP - I can't think of any way this would work without harming the game.

And also, while I was reading that list I noticed this in related:
http://whatculture.com/gaming/fallout-4-10-key-lessons-2013s-biggest-games.php

Starts with a comparison to The Last of Us, gets worse from there.

 

[you know what time it is]

People are only voicing what they want for a Fallout game.

Which is fine. But on the last few pages you can see apologism creeping in, it's never a good thing, especially considering how Fallout 3 turned out to be. Expecting anything good at this point is kind of redundant.

 

[Surf Solar]

What the hell is "rogue mode"?

 

[Xeon]

Probably an ironman mode.

Edit:
The crafting in FNV it wasn't anything great but it was cool and things actually looked handmade. Also survival/hardcore mode is actually pretty good, I quite like it.

FNV had it but was too forgiving I mean if you drink water it would have lasted you for 2 or 3 days, JSawyer's mode made it a little better.

 

[DalekFlay]

NEW GRAPHICS ENGINE - Would be nice.

They're never going to give up their tech, they know it too well and make bajillion dollars off it. That said I thought Skyrim updated the whole thing quite nicely, and had few quibbles with the engine in that game.

P.S. This game will have shoehorned-in co-op, mark my fucking words.

 

[Outlander]

It was supposedly 'impossible' for them to add spears into Skyrim, what makes you think they can code in such a delicate thing as co-op functionality into Fallout 4?

 

[Onholyservicebound]

How sad would it be if that were actually true, impossible to do what New Vegas did a year earlier on a lesser engine? And I'm sure loads of modders did on their spare time with no budget.

 

[Lemming42]

 

[Curious_Tongue]

It was supposedly 'impossible' for them to add spears into Skyrim,

Obsidian put them in New Vegas.

Did Bethtards ever praise them for it? Nope.

Edit: Whoops, another member mentioned New Vegas.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Haha, was that from their, "we're so talented look what we did in a weekend" video?
I lol'd at the fact that they admitted it was a weekend worth of work and most of it encompassed the rest of their DLC..Those static vampire lords with the unmoving wings lol.

 

[Lemming42]

Haha, was that from their, "we're so talented look what we did in a weekend" video?
I lol'd at the fact that they admitted it was a weekend worth of work and most of it encompassed the rest of their DLC..Those static vampire lords with the unmoving wings lol.

Yeah, it was that big video compilation Todd showed before Skyrim's release where it was like "WE LET OUR DEVS GO CRAZY FOR A WEEKEND, HERE'S THE RESULT!!!" and then none of that stuff appeared in the final product.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

It appeared al'right, most if not all of the content in their DLCs consisted of the shit they crapped out during that weekend; most of it not even more polished than the video.

 

[AN4RCHID]

About that wishlist:

The finale of Fallout: New Vegas was a battle between the Roman Legion and the New California Republic

Not bad, second paragraph of the first item on the list and they've already got the name of a faction wrong. Either way, as for the wishlist as a whole-
EPIC BATTLES - Yeah, unnecessary and stupid. Fallout 3's battle for the purifier was hilariously shitty, and the battle for Hoover Dam was pretty poorly done (but touches like the Boomers flying in kinda saved it).
IMPROVED CRAFTING SYSTEM - I never even used the crafting system in Fo3 or FNV.
EMERGENT GAMEPLAY - That's a buzzword that doesn't mean a lot.
LIVLIER CITIES - Can't argue with that.
NEW ANIMATIONS - How about just firing Bethesda's animators since they fuck it up every single time.
MULTIPLE QUEST ROUTES - Can't argue here.
NEW GUNPLAY - The point about needing new gunplay is right, but check this out - "The VATS system in the Fallout games is terrific".
NO BUGS - What a weird thing to put on a wishlist, I actually wish for more bugs until the game is literally unplayable
SURVIVAL MODE - I know a lot of people are into this (one look at the top rated Skyrim or Fallout NV mods proves this) but I couldn't be bothered with "HARDCORE MODE" in NV because who gives a shit about finding food and water when you're supposed to be exploring the map.
VEHICLES - Bad idea. They refer to the Highwayman, ignoring the fact that this only worked because of the world map. Imagine vehicles in a Gamebryo game.
NEW GRAPHICS ENGINE - Would be nice.
ROGUE MODE - Would be stupid.
A WHOLE NEW WORLD - This is another weird wish, I for one was hoping that the Fallout 4 map is literally an exact replica of the Fallout 3 map with no changes at all (but more bugs)
BASE BUILDING - Is not necessary
CO-OP - I can't think of any way this would work without harming the game.

And also, while I was reading that list I noticed this in related:
http://whatculture.com/gaming/fallout-4-10-key-lessons-2013s-biggest-games.php

Starts with a comparison to The Last of Us, gets worse from there.

Note all of the good ideas were already in New Vegas.

 

[Metro]

Why is this topic even active? Bethesda's Fallout (including New Vegas) and TES games will never be anything more than derpy first person action arpgs. Heavy on the 'a' but light on the -rpg mostly because of level scaling and immaterial character 'progression.'

 

[Lemming42]

(including New Vegas)

 

[Onholyservicebound]

(including New Vegas) will never be anything more than derpy first person action arpgs. Heavy on the 'a' but light on the -rpg mostly because of level scaling and immaterial character 'progression.'

Have you even played the game?

 

[Curious_Tongue]

The formula Bethesda have for their open world games still makes them playable for hundreds of hours (for me anyway), regardless of the dreadful quality of the non-hiking features.

 

[Broseph]

I won't lie, my three most-played games are Skyrim, Morrowind, and New Vegas. Not my three favorites, but the Bethesda formula (when done right i.e. not Oblivious and Fallout 3) is like crack cocaine.

 

[Metro]

(including New Vegas) will never be anything more than derpy first person action arpgs. Heavy on the 'a' but light on the -rpg mostly because of level scaling and immaterial character 'progression.'

Have you even played the game?

Have you? New Vegas is grossly overrated around here.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Have you? New Vegas is grossly overrated around here.

Disagree, I've seen you and others make similarly vague, content-less posts of that nature, the only solid thing I've got from them is that with all DLC the end game builds aren't very different. However the lead game designer went and fixed that for you in a simple, lightweight esp, much less than the kind of hoops most of us jump through to play the codex classics.

So what, pray tell, is it that makes this game overrated? If anything it's underrated in the fact that it's looked at with the same disdain as beth titles despite outshining it's predecessors in a lot of important ways.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Grossly overrated games, on the Codex?? Surely you jest

 

[Metro]

Have you? New Vegas is grossly overrated around here.

Disagree, I've seen you and others make similarly vague, content-less posts of that nature, the only solid thing I've got from them is that with all DLC the end game builds aren't very different. However the lead game designer went and fixed that for you in a simple, lightweight esp, much less than the kind of hoops most of us jump through to play the codex classics.

So what, pray tell, is it that makes this game overrated? If anything it's underrated in the fact that it's looked at with the same disdain as beth titles despite outshining it's predecessors in a lot of important ways.

People jizz all over MCA but I didn't find any of the quests or writing that compelling. The game boils down to a simple rep grind with one of the factions. Moreover, most of what you do has little impact on the rest of the quests/storyline -- you can kill Caesar and nothing changes. And, of course, it suffers from using all of the horrible Bethesderp assets from Fallout 3. As far as 'builds' go, any sense of balance or mutually exclusive character strengths/weaknesses vanishes around level 12-15 and you barely have to play half the content in the main game to reach that. Yes, they created a mod to increase difficulty but you have to have all of the DLC (including the shitty weapon packs wtf) in order for it to work. I didn't even visit all of the locations in vanilla so the DLC was of zero interest to me. Oh... I know... that one MCA did with 'lol penis hands' such brilliance! Bravo, bravo, author, author! He'll probably do a better job with FTL event writing but, then again, FTL is a much better game.

New Vegas was Fallout 3 with slightly less shitty writing. It's hilarious how people bash 3 (and rightly so) but praise New Vegas. Guess some of the posters are that desperate for MCA's attention.

 

[Akratus]

Have you? New Vegas is grossly overrated around here.

Disagree, I've seen you and others make similarly vague, content-less posts of that nature, the only solid thing I've got from them is that with all DLC the end game builds aren't very different. However the lead game designer went and fixed that for you in a simple, lightweight esp, much less than the kind of hoops most of us jump through to play the codex classics.

So what, pray tell, is it that makes this game overrated? If anything it's underrated in the fact that it's looked at with the same disdain as beth titles despite outshining it's predecessors in a lot of important ways.

People jizz all over MCA but I didn't find any of the quests or writing that compelling.

Yeah, you personally didn't like it. Subjective preference.

The game boils down to a simple rep grind with one of the factions.

Look up grinding in the dictionary.

Moreover, most of what you do has little impact on the rest of the quests/storyline -- you can kill Caesar and nothing changes.

Except that every important npc comments on it. And your relation with Caesar's legion changes, with new dialogue from within that faction relating to this. Besides, it's very well known that Obsidian had far more planned, especially concerning c&c and caesar's legion. But that doesn't mean that the rest of the game is lacking in c&c. Name me one other game that has 4 factions to side with in the main quest, one of which is the player operating independantly. (aside from a robotic lackey)

And, of course, it suffers from using all of the horrible Bethesderp assets from Fallout 3.

Oh right, I forgot. Taking highways and rocks from a bad rpg makes your game a bad rpg.

As far as 'builds' go, any sense of balance or mutually exclusive character strengths/weaknesses vanishes around level 12-15 and you barely have to play half the content in the main game to reach that.

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Yes, they created a mod to increase difficulty but you have to have all of the DLC (including the shitty weapon packs wtf) in order for it to work.

So? Are you poor? The ultimate edition goes for like 20 bucks now.

I didn't even visit all of the locations in vanilla so the DLC was of zero interest to me.

Oh... I know... that one MCA did with 'lol penis hands' such brilliance! Bravo, bravo, author, author! He'll probably do a better job with FTL event writing but, then again, FTL is a much better game.

Of course, one joke defines all of his work.
I wouldn't know anything about ftl.

New Vegas was Fallout 3 with slightly less shitty writing. It's hilarious how people bash 3 (and rightly so) but praise New Vegas. Guess some of the posters are that desperate for MCA's attention.

Yeah because he famously wants people to hate on Fallout 3, and rewards people with attention for doing so.


Really, Metro, you're usually better than this.