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Fallout Fallout: The Frontier - New Vegas mod set in Portland and full of prosperous content

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Makabb, Nov 20, 2016.

  1. RangerBoo Savant

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    I have to wonder, did the writers just go with their rough draft and say, "Yeah, this looks good! No need to go through it, it's perfect!" The writing is, perhaps, some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a mod. Fetish inserts, current year political references that will date your mod, dialogue ripped off from games the mod authors are fans of, meta dialogue, references to memes that are or will be outdated. Jesus Christs! Did Anthony Burch write this mod?
    I will say though that I did get a ton of laughs from this mod and the mod authors superiority complex in regards to this mod. It's just, all that effort, all those years and man hours went in service to this? Such a shame.
     
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  2. RangerBoo Savant

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    You think when they played MGS5 they were like, "Dude, that line is brilliant! We so need to add that into our mod!"
    Again, you don't add dialogue like this that is from other works and take it seriously. I am a novice writer and even I know this. The only time that you add dialogue like this is with a joke like Wild Wasteland. Doing otherwise makes you look like a hack.
     
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  3. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    This mod took more than 3x as long to make as fnv.
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  4. RangerBoo Savant

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    Could you tell that the mod authors didn't have a coherent vision? With New Vegas, although the development time was brief, the developers had a coherent vision. They knew what kind of game they wanted to make. With The Frontier there was none of that. I get the feeling that the story, dialogue and world space changed with every new piece of consumerists crap that came out of the entertainment industry. Add in some Modern Warfare with Black Ops, Far Cry, a big spoonful of Metal Gear Solid 5, a little Rick & Morty humor, some MCU shit and anything else that the mod authors wanted to add that they are fans of. Sprinkle in some references to current year politics and degenerate fetishes and you have a recipe for a shit sandwich.
     
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  5. lightbane Arcane

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    Wow, what did I stumble upon? It seems to be utter shit, and I'm still missing things, such as the so-called scallies who are probably way worse than the ones from TES, right?
    Also, modders are getting worse and worse lately.
     
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  6. eXalted Prophet

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    This is true though.

    Watching the vertibirds sequence - I don't think there is such scripting in another gamebryo game.

    Makes me kinda mad.
     
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  7. RangerBoo Savant

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    The mod can be best summed up as, "Technically innovative but artistically bankrupt."
    Basically, this mod represents the Western game industry in a nutshell.
     
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  8. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    But it does nothing to make it a good game.
     
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  9. Zer0wing Cipher

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    Coincidentally true for all of the main Ass Creed games, the epitome of artistical (in a general sense, not that the artists are doing a bad job, far from it) bankrupcy.
     
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  10. CabbageHead Literate

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    Anyone know the team composition of this mod project? This look like a project with a lot of retarded and degenerate idea guy lording over some competent members.
    Or maybe it’s a circlejerk of fairly competent people with retarded idea that force each other to make stupid shit?
     
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  11. RangerBoo Savant

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    God, this is so terrible.
    Also, fun fact, the developers sneakily removed the America enslavement in the recent hotfix. Instead of being real artists and adults and owning up to their mistakes they silently removed it and hoped no one would notice. What a bunch of pussies.
     
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  12. Gargaune Scholar

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    Referential humour is almost always a mistake, you're scuttling your own fiction's suspension of disbelief for some cheap gag at the expense of another property or, worse, current events. I get the instinct, felt it myself, you're working on something and it suddenly comes to you that it's the perfect opportunity for an inside joke, but it's best you control that urge - it only works very sparingly, and typically only off the critical plot path and referencing the same or related IPs.

    Two examples that come to mind:

    - In NWN HotU, you can talk to Deekin about his latest book, which actually tells the story of your adventure in SoU, and you can answer that "the ending was rushed". This just about works, it skirts by, because while it's obviously acknowledging the most common complaint about the SoU expansion, it's also well contextualised within the current fiction.

    - In the Umar Hills inn in BG2, you come across a book that's an obvious joke on the Blair Witch Project, and this doesn't work. Sure, it brought a smile to my face, but it also immediately kicked my focus out of the diegesis. Instead of staying rooted in the fictional world, I started thinking "wait, the Blair Witch came out before BG2?" and, naturally, "man, I'm old."

    Sadly, modern writers just can't seem to help themselves and will gleefully sabotage their own fiction at every turn.
     
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  13. ekrolo2 Learned

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    A crutch becoming more standard as the years go by. If someone can't write a competent piece of dialogue (God forbid entire plot) then they resort to referential shit to distract you with momentary, cutesy feels or resort to Joss Whedon-style self-deprecation. Because if you call yourself shit first, it somehow makes your shit smell less?
     
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  14. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Ghoulifying Tandi is all kinds of low.
     
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  15. Sweeper Magister Zionist Agent

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    This entire thread makes me appreciate storyfags more.
    I learned my lesson with New California aka Project Brazil. I'll never download a story based mod ever again.
    This goes beyond bad writing.
    Imagine the kind of mind that would think this would be a good idea.
     
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  16. oregano12 Educated

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    I mean, how long did you think it would take to make a fan mod of this size? NV was made by a stable team of 300 paid employees, Frontier was made by a ever changing team of ~30 people who only worked on it during their spare time. This comparison is just unreasonable. Really seems like some people in this topic are losing their sense of proportions and are judging Frontier like it was a fully professional endevour. Not saying Frontier should be spared of criticism, but mind your expectations.
     
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  17. eXalted Prophet

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    Probably the next idea that gives the writer a boner.
     
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  18. Gargaune Scholar

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    The what now? I get your gist, but I'm really mashing my X key right now to doubt that NV had 300 staffers on it.
     
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  19. normie Magister Patron Zionist Agent

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    is the map itself salvageable?
     
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  20. DeepOcean Arcane

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    300 is a way too high number, Obsidian never had that size of staff, maybe now with Microsoft. Also, good writing and good sense are things that dont require alot of money to have. If they spent half the energy they wasted on scripting all that crap that ends having shit gameplay anyway into actually making a New Vegas mod instead of Fallout: Modern Warfare, this mod would had been released years ago.
     
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  21. DeepOcean Arcane

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    Yeah, ghoulifying anybody is retardation on itself. I was on a quest where some girl was lost on a town full of zombies, she got inside one of the houses and for some strange reason, there was a radiation source in there, inside a random generic house (Yeah, modders failing basic common sense, must be a side effect of severe autism), because she got exposed to what was like a few hours of low dose radiation, she became a ghoul and the whole story of her quest was for you to kill her because she didnt want anyone to see her that way.
     
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  22. Malamert Erudite Edgy

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    The grand finale.
     
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  23. Roguey Codex Staff Sawyerite

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  24. DeepOcean Arcane

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    Man, I criticized Fallout 1.5 for sticking way too much to Fallout 1 and 2 and not adding enough new stuff, after this mod, I see the error of my ways. Run as fast as you can when a modder says he wants to be innovative.
     
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  25. Malamert Erudite Edgy

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    This entire mod. Pure art.

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