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Final fantasy XIV any good?

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Everything in this game contrasts badly with each other so what's the problem?
Nah, the dark and light themes look fine. But the light theme is like having your irises radiated every few minutes. Probably less rough on other monitors / oleds.
 

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You can enter the lottery only once every 9 days (3 times per month) and there are 5-7 other people bidding on any given home. Haven't had any luck thus far. Many of the new FC wards are half empty. I would just go to Limsa and ask in /shout for people to help me create my own shell FC and then buy a FC plot for myself, but that would mean leaving the FC I am currently in. I raided savage with them last expansion and would feel bad ditching them just to get a house, and strangely FFXIV doesn't allow you to be a part of multiple different FCs.

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Is this the new clear blue theme? How does it fit with the rest of the UI? I thought the oldschool FF theme was neat, but it contrasted badly with too many of the menus.
I use the light theme. Is very very cute.
 

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Holy shit ARR is the worst entry of any MMO out there! I've been ignoring the Main quest due to how boring it is but I'm forced to finish it to unlock content...
I've played shit like elder scrolls online, even wow but at least I didn't feel that bored doing the MQ, no wonder this is part of the free trial.
 
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Holy shit ARR is the worst entry of any MMO out there! I've been ignoring the Main quest due to how boring it is but I'm forced to finish it to unlock content...
I've played shit like elder scrolls online, even wow but at least I didn't feel that bored doing the MQ, no wonder this is part of the free trial.

I liked ARR's story (mainly the patch story), but it is badly paced. The story is constantly alternating between two different casts and plotlines (Scions vs Ascians, and the geopolitical conflict with the city states) and the geopolitical conflict is far more interesting than being told "oh no the Primal of the week is here! Put the interesting stuff on hold and come kill it!".
 

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Holy shit ARR is the worst entry of any MMO out there! I've been ignoring the Main quest due to how boring it is but I'm forced to finish it to unlock content...
I've played shit like elder scrolls online, even wow but at least I didn't feel that bored doing the MQ, no wonder this is part of the free trial.
IS true Arr is long and has a different story arc. But saying the main story of Wow and ESO is more entertaining is a bit of a far stretch. It is indeed bad paced like Val says. From Heavensward to Endwalker tho there is a huge switch of quality. Not even mentioning the base game alone has 3 times the content of those two games.
 

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Not even Heavensward, the budget seemingly went up dramatically by 2.2. Suddenly x10 the voice acting. (This is only a good thing if you choose the right setting.)
 

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ARR was terrible and Heavensward is the same exact shit in the sense that you could remove 9/10 MSQs and not miss anything and I've heard Stormblood is even worse. Some middling dungeons and cool raids don't make up for how much of a slog this game is to get through to unlock that content.

Just swipe that credit card and buy yourself a story skip and level boost:lol:
 

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I gave ARR multiple tries and each time I tried, I found it terrible. I shudder at the thought of what the vanilla experience must've been like. MSQ is dire and boring.
 

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ARR was terrible and Heavensward is the same exact shit in the sense that you could remove 9/10 MSQs and not miss anything and I've heard Stormblood is even worse. Some middling dungeons and cool raids don't make up for how much of a slog this game is to get through to unlock that content.

Just swipe that credit card and buy yourself a story skip and level boost:lol:
Yes, there's nothing like buying a game so you can pay more not to play it. Now I get why you love Scam Citizen so much.
 

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I gave ARR multiple tries and each time I tried, I found it terrible. I shudder at the thought of what the vanilla experience must've been like. MSQ is dire and boring.
It picks up towards the end, imo. But yeah, it's definitely a long slog. Or used to be. I know they had been talking about streamlining the ARR MQ and think they may have implemented it.

Stormblood was brutal though. I think the biggest issue with FFXIV is that it really is a JRPG story at heart. Read: it gets good, guys! All you need to do is clear the first 300 boring as hell hours and then it starts ramping up. Promise!
 

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I gave ARR multiple tries and each time I tried, I found it terrible. I shudder at the thought of what the vanilla experience must've been like. MSQ is dire and boring.
It picks up towards the end, imo. But yeah, it's definitely a long slog. Or used to be. I know they had been talking about streamlining the ARR MQ and think they may have implemented it.

Stormblood was brutal though. I think the biggest issue with FFXIV is that it really is a JRPG story at heart. Read: it gets good, guys! All you need to do is clear the first 300 boring as hell hours and then it starts ramping up. Promise!
Yeah, I saw the spoiler vid of (I think) the final (hour-long) cutscene.

I'll be honest, my level of shits didn't move a notch. Maybe if I spent enough time with the important character one at a time, the plot twists would matter to me.

But you don't spend that time with 'em, you get it a tiny piece at a time, and then have a dozen other tiny pieces mixed in, all the while it's all hyper-stylized and over-dramatic, I guess it's supposed to evoke anime or something.

GW2 does a similar thing, but in GW2's case, it actually works. You spend a few hours with characters from your personal story, and while it's all fairly simplistic, you get to learn the characters and their quirks. Then you "grow up" for your next, more high-stakes adventure and meet the new cast, while the old cast helps you move on. Then it happens again, and again, and at some point, the characters from the previous plots pop out and do a thing and you're like "Oh I know this guy" and that guy is like "Oh hi Charname, you sure got cooler from back when!" and you're like ohhhh the game acknowledges me, sweet. It's not perfect, and "Living story" went and broke that formula later, but whatever, the initial impression with storytelling is positive.

In FF14, this massive amalgam of characters follows you from start to finish, and I got my char's main spec to L40 and I still for the life of me can't think of any actual character traits for any of those characters, except maybe "This char is terminally stupid" or "Anime gnomes are even worse than normal gnomes"
 

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In FF14, this massive amalgam of characters follows you from start to finish, and I got my char's main spec to L40 and I still for the life of me can't think of any actual character traits for any of those characters, except maybe "This char is terminally stupid" or "Anime gnomes are even worse than normal gnomes"
Yeah, I get this complaint. It's actually similar to why I dropped out at the end of Stormblood, I was just like: this villain is such a fag and I keep fighting him and then he cutscene wins at the end each time. Gay.
 

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I gave ARR multiple tries and each time I tried, I found it terrible. I shudder at the thought of what the vanilla experience must've been like. MSQ is dire and boring.
ARR is rough at times. A lot of the job questlines are more interesting than the first 70% of that story. They do really pick up though; the DRK questline is great.

Also, you get choice lines like:
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Don't worry, kupo. Squeenix has you covered for $11.
https://store.finalfantasyxiv.com/ffxivstore/en-us/product/801

There is no point buying a level skip. FFXIV is a 400+ hour long visual novel. There is little in the way of worthwhile combat content to do at endgame. You farm the latest 4 raid bosses and maybe a trial boss on savage/extreme difficulty for 4.5 months and that's it. That's FFXIV's endgame. Multiplayer wise, the game is closer to Second Life since people who stick around after catching up on the story spend most of their time ERPing in housing districts.


I'll be honest, my level of shits didn't move a notch. Maybe if I spent enough time with the important character one at a time, the plot twists would matter to me.

The Scions are not well introduced. You just get dropped into them and you are supposed to care when (ARR ending) "Oh no Thancred was the bad guy all along!" when you had barely talked to him for 2 minutes. You get more exposure to the Scions as the game goes on and gradually get to know them more. The non-Scion characters like Aymeric, Yugiri, etc, are better introduced and you get more attached to them quicker.

It also doesn't help that the Scions are very samey: goody two-shoes, methodical scholars who hail from the same nation of Sharlayan. Typically a JRPG gives you a main cast of characters with a wide range of backgrounds and personalities. The non-Scion characters are far more interesting.

GW2 does a similar thing, but in GW2's case, it actually works. You spend a few hours with characters from your personal story, and while it's all fairly simplistic, you get to learn the characters and their quirks. Then you "grow up" for your next, more high-stakes adventure and meet the new cast, while the old cast helps you move on. Then it happens again, and again, and at some point, the characters from the previous plots pop out and do a thing and you're like "Oh I know this guy" and that guy is like "Oh hi Charname, you sure got cooler from back when!" and you're like ohhhh the game acknowledges me, sweet. It's not perfect, and "Living story" went and broke that formula later, but whatever, the initial impression with storytelling is positive.

GW2's cast was more memorable because the characters were actually differentiated from each other. They're not all goody two-shoes, extremely methodical Priory scholars from Kryta. GW2's characters were also allowed to hold grudges against each other, whereas that isn't allowed in FFXIV, so there isn't much conflict and character drama over there. And lastly, GW2's writers knew brevity (at least until EoD) and their dialogue scenes didn't outstay their welcome. It also helps that GW2 has its dialogue scenes play out during gameplay, while you are walking to another location or during a fight, or you have stuff like S4E4 where you are at a meeting and then suddenly you are attacked, which keeps you on your toes and is more engaging than being spoonfed another visual novel scene to click through.

I don't think the Scions are awful. I did somewhat like them, but nowhere near as much as I should have after spending 400+ hours with them, when I was more endeared to the casts of 20-40 hour long JRPGs.


I've heard Stormblood is even worse.

I enjoyed Stormblood for the adventure, though it doesn't deliever on the gritty war story that was promised.

The other usual complaint with Stormblood was the heroine (or it's dual heroines), Lyse and Alisae. They were the same character both competing for the same archetype: the spunky bash bro sister who flips out at the drop of a hat. Alisaie was more kawaii and was reintroduced in the Heavensward patches so people preferred her and hated when Lyse began competing with her in the same role. Inexplicably, the writers later on make the same mistake when they introduce a new Scion character in Shadowbringers who begins competing with Alphinaud for his role as the bright eyed dorky little brother to the WoL and deuteragonist of the story who is a magus and the man with the plan.
 

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The Scions are not well introduced. You just get dropped into them and you are supposed to care when (ARR ending) "Oh no Thancred was the bad guy all along!" when you had barely talked to him for 2 minutes. You get more exposure to the Scions as the game goes on and gradually get to know them more. The non-Scion characters like Aymeric, Yugiri, etc, are better introduced and you get more attached to them quicker.
Bearing in mind that I completed ARR and HW and most of SB and logged far too much time in the game (the Second Life comment was spot on, imo).

Who the hell was Thancred? I remember the name... he liked to punch stuff, I think?

I don't .... oh, Aymeric was the guy from HW, I think. Yugiri, the name sounds familiar I guess.

You know, it's pretty awful that such a long story driven game has a pretty unmemorable story. The main thing I remember is Raubahn and his pedo thing he had going with the tiny gnome queen / their subplot that went nowhere. It's also pretty symbolic of my time spent in there, really.
 

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Who the hell was Thancred?

I don't .... oh, Aymeric was the guy from HW, I think. Yugiri, the name sounds familiar I guess.

The noble one everyone had a crush on.

I'm a straight man and I'm old, dammit. Fruity elf that you're molesting with your catgirl. :lol:
Anyway, yeah, I actually did remember him. Sort of.

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Oh yeah. Those guys. They left a big impression on me. :lol: Anyway, thanks.
 
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I booted up FFXIV to check if I won the bid on a housing plot. Gshade isn't working. Went to Github. The Gshade repository was nuked. Checked the Discord. Almost every channel has been deleted.

Apparently one of the programmers inserted malicious code into Gshade that will cause your computer to reboot if you try tampering with his program, apparently to try to spite another modder. Naturally this caused an uproar. Github caught wind of it and nuked the repository, which Gshade depends upon to work. So now we're all stuck with ugly, desaturated FFXIV. Lmao

Who the hell was Thancred?


he liked to punch stuff, I think?

No, Thancred used daggers. Yda is the one who punched.

 

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Is it bad that like every screenshot triggers a response from me of: Oh yeah. Those guys. They did. Something.

This is really bad, it's not even just my normally black hole memory. I just checked and although I had some pre-Steam hours, it was the Steam version once I actually played the game. I have almost 500 hours in the thing and remember next to nothing. Crazy.
 

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I'm a straight man and I'm old, dammit. Fruity elf that you're molesting with your catgirl. :lol:
Anyway, yeah, I actually did remember him. Sort of.
Not my catgirl! (Mine is a pure maiden, Joggerino and Mebrilia the Viera Queen can vouch for this.)

I booted up FFXIV to check if I won the bid on a housing plot. Gshade isn't working. Went to Github. The Gshade repository was nuked. Checked the Discord. Almost every channel has been deleted.
Yep lol.



(Big gratz on the house btw!)
 

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