Final fantasy XIV any good?

[Tacgnol]

WoW e.g. has talent choices, but my experience there and in other MMOs is the choices you have to "make your character unique" aren't really all that unless you're okay essentially sabotaging your character. The choice you have instead with FFXIV is making a character who has a sense of personality and fashion you find meaningful on a personal level; admittedly meaningless if you only care about the numbers and abilities, but it clearly strikes a cord with a lot of people.

I actually really dislike the new wow talents as they've moved tons of stuff that were baseline for specs before to the talent tree, and much of it is mandatory. So they've very much created an illusion of choice.

The irony is the Pandaria system, although much shouted as being dumbed down, actually did give you a fair amount of choice as most of the fundamental choices were generally within 5% of each other performance-wise but usually supported different gameplay styles. For example, Death Knights could pick between three different rune generation systems that suited different players but were all ultimately very close in numbers if played well.

I guess my illusion of choice argument is actually relevant to most MMOs that allow you to spec characters, as there is almost always going to be a far numerically superior cookie-cutter build over anything a player is going to pick (as you yourself allude to).

 

[Cryomancer]

MMORPG to be an RPG in the Morrowind sense

Not like Morrowind. But Vanguard : Saga of Heroes, Dungeons & Dragons Online, this games aren't sandbox games but in case of DDO, has the same depth on character creation of ANY 3.5e CRPG adaptation.

The same decline which ruined some franchises, transforming games into merely dressing games, like Diablo 2 -> Diablo 3, Gothic -> ArcaniA, Dungeon Siege 2 -> 3(...) seems to be affecting almost all modern mmos. See Guild Wars 1 to 2. Mu to Mu Legend. Almost all become mmoDRESSING games.

I honestly rather deal with all dated graphics and clunkness of Asheron's Call over playing a mmoDRESSING game. But the game don't need to be as in depth like DDO. If the game ends up being a Vanguard : Saga of Heroes clone, I would be more than satisfied. Recently, I tried Champions Online. Interesting, has the basic of what I expect from RPG's but is too P2W and I honestly don't like the super hero theme.

I guess my illusion of choice argument is actually relevant to most MMOs that allow you to spec characters,

Illusion of choices is much better than no choices.

But look into DDO.

There is no "better build", people keep debating the best warlock pact for ages and can't find a solution, because everything is situational. People discuss the "highest DC Pale Master" build, but they know that a high DC PM can be great in some adventures and worthless in another.

 

[Tacgnol]

DDO has never had a reputation for super autistic end-game raiding. Raiders in mythic guilds in wow (and FFXIV from the world firsts I've seen) will frantically search for ways to increase their dps by 0.1% in a specific fight, using complex simulations and analysis of other peoples fight logs.

That 0.1% might actually end up being the difference required to beat a piece of content with an extremely tight dps check.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Cryomancer
give these a look

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Project_Gorgon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibia_(video_game)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Online

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurm_Online

 

[Theodora]

God, Tibia takes me back. (I had a neighbour that played it when I was a child.) What's it even like these days? I don't remember much than the "you type spells to cast them" and rather aggressive pvp.

Cryomancer Have you tried OldSchool RuneScape at all? You might enjoy as ironman account in it, which gets you away entirely from the motivators of "efficiency" that discourage making your own decisions.

Edit: Oh, and there's no microtransactions. You can buy membership tokens that you can sell in-game on normal (non-iron) accounts, which they gave into eventually to try to stop RMT. But there's never going to be MTX (big decisions / updates are all polled, for a start, but they also just know it'd kill the game).

 

[Delterius]

What's it even like these days?

Last I checked it's still ongoing and still making new content every 6 months. At one point they mostly solved the bot problem, but failed to bring their ancient franken client to steam's specs. They even added sound and a few years back hired an actual designer into their team. They have a faithful playerbase willing to pay a rather steep fee to keep it all going. Still the same sandbox mmo as ever.

 

[Delterius]

Cryomancer
give these a look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibia_(video_game)

a brazilian who doesn't know tibia are you high

 

[Myobi]

Cryomancer
give these a look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibia_(video_game)

a brazilian who doesn't know tibia are you high

HuHUEhuEUHhEUhEUheuHEUheUHeuHEUhe.

 

[Theodora]

Last I checked it's still ongoing and still making new content every 6 months. At one point they mostly solved the bot problem, but failed to bring their ancient franken client to steam's specs. They even added sound and a few years back hired an actual designer into their team. They have a faithful playerbase willing to pay a rather steep fee to keep it all going. Still the same sandbox mmo as ever.

Sounds?! Can someone humour me and post something exemplary of that?

a brazilian who doesn't know tibia are you high

Seeing "BR?" "BR??" "BR?!??!?" while watching Tibia over someone's shoulder was literally my introduction to huehues.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

a brazilian who doesn't know tibia are you high

Seeing "BR?" "BR??" "BR?!??!?" while watching Tibia over someone's shoulder was literally my introduction to huehues.

https://www.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&threadid=4947876

Rtard Brasilians

Rtard brazil stop bugging the game with mas res

03.05.2023 12:34:24
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Also homepage says they will add two "retro hardcore pvp" worlds next week, so it must have some demand.

 

[Theodora]

What I meant was, is it just music and stuff or do you have sounds for different spells/mobs/etc.?

https://www.tibia.com/forum/?action=thread&threadid=4947876

What's a mas res?

Also this was linked on the homepage -- https://www.tibiagoals.com -- not the stereotype I would've associated with the game. Between that and some really nice sprite work, I'm almost curious enough to try it. I kinda assumed the community would be almost exclusively older men who've been playing it since forever.(Mea culpa for sterotyping in the first place.)

 

[Modron]

Just don't take any loans from a huehue in game.

 

[Tacgnol]

Ah, Tibia and the BRs. That's a blast from the past.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised it still has an active community, these things have surprising lasting power (and I guess the power of nostalgia).

 

[Delterius]

"retro hardcore pvp" worlds

gateway drug into gang warfarism, and then into foreign mercenarism. a new generation of hues shall grace the battlefields of ukraine in 2056 (first battle of bakhmut)

also don't let the poles off the hook. in the stalkeresque ambience of tibia's pvp they proved themselves to be the hue slavs.

tibia: a game made by german college dropouts with stolen ultima sprites for brazilians and poles is the motto

 

[Clockwork Knight]

There are sounds in general

What's a mas res?

Mass healing, the AoE targets mobs too.

https://github.com/otland/forgottenserver/issues/666

 

[Sukhāvatī]

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

???

 

[Delterius]

???

shhhhh there there

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

???

shhhhh there there

New content incoming.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Dang. They're ending the Void storyline and we never got questing zones to explore multiple different layers of the Void. It was just one 15 minute long corridor dungeon and a trial. Such wasted potential.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Dang. They're ending the Void storyline and we never got questing zones to explore multiple different layers of the Void. It was just one 15 minute long corridor dungeon and a trial. Such wasted potential.

Void is canonically just a wasteland. Nothing to explore really just barren land. In fact the void related dungeon and location were areal.

 

[Myobi]

Dang. They're ending the Void storyline and we never got questing zones to explore multiple different layers of the Void. It was just one 15 minute long corridor dungeon and a trial. Such wasted potential.

Void is canonically just a wasteland. Nothing to explore really just barren land. In fact the void related dungeon and location were areal.

You mean, like "The Empty"? =P

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Dang. They're ending the Void storyline and we never got questing zones to explore multiple different layers of the Void. It was just one 15 minute long corridor dungeon and a trial. Such wasted potential.

Void is canonically just a wasteland. Nothing to explore really just barren land. In fact the void related dungeon and location were areal.

You mean, like "The Empty"? =P

Thats another thing. The Void is the 13th and is a dead star swallowed by the void. Is described like a place swallowed by the void where nothing survived but Voidsent that actually prey on each other to sate their endless hunger of aether. So nothing really exciting to see there is a dead planet. The first dungeon in the location was the Fallen Court of Troia. Was a floating castle.

 

[Cryomancer]

Is FFXI more RPG than FF XIV? And less dressing game? I'm thinking in checking 11.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Is FFXI more RPG than FF XIV? And less dressing game? I'm thinking in checking 11.

Some people liked it but honestly is just well. Limited. And no Ffxiv is overal better in content story quest and even gameplay of ff11.