Gentlemen. I'm doing it. I'm getting a new pc.

[I eat frozen vegetables]

LOL at recommending a Mac for gaming.

I would recommend Linux for gaming before ever recommending a Mac for gaming.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I'm going to have to get one in the far future as my envy after a few updates from microsoft & hp just utterly broke it. I chugs like a vic-20 on a data cassette now. Fails consistently to restore leaving a few options:

1. Leave it alone
2. Pay a technician
3. Factory reset if possible
4. Chuck into a dumpster

I was able to get a few apps working and transfer shit off of it but it took fucking forever. Diablo beelzebulb works. I waste a few hours sitting on my ass, felt guilty... turned it off (most was trying to clean up the desktop, find viruses, defrag (solid state still defrags almost instantly), clear history, cookies, etc.

fuckinf waicom tablet shit keeps popping up until i turned it off in settings, but it comes back up repeatedly when machine is turned on. And it runs like ass. 2018 i bought it but like been on shelf longer. Feels like several hundred dollars of waste now even if it has been nearly 6 years. Lord knows when it was actually made being win 10? 2016?

 

[MerchantKing]

Are you doing something work-related with that RAM? Because HOLY SHIT, who ever needs 128gb of RAM? 16gb is good, 32gb is perfect, 64gb is overkill, 128gb is extreme.

Might as well make a RAM Disk with that btw.

I'll have to admit the 128gb of RAM was b8. I only got 32gb for it.

R7 7800x3D

Are you sure you can't wait for the newest x3D AMD processors? They're probably going to be even better. Eh, you will be able to upgrade later, even then AFAIK the 9000s series won't be such a big improvement, it seems like a gen more focused on efficiency than big performance gains.

My opinion of cpu's and gpu's is that I'd have to wait three generations to really see something that will actually end up being worth upgrading to. I don't think you're going to see enough of an upgrade in performance until at least three generations later to justify buying a new cards/cpu for playing games. Worst case scenario is that have you turn off a few graphics and lighting effects that you would've turned off anyways and still get good performance 6-10 years later when the increase in performance is actually high enough to justify buying anything new.

 

[Losus4]

No one questions whether ever increasing realism is a good thing. It's a game. It's not reality. We don't need reality. We need games. There is a sweet spot there somewhere, and we passed it more than 10 years ago.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

So buy a new PC when? 2030?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Will there be a 2030?

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

So buy a new PC when? 2030?

AMD is releasing their new CPUs fairly soon, so 2025 at minimum.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

I wouldn't play anything made after the year 1999.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Y2K game phobia?

 

[Haba]

Unused RAM is wasted RAM.

Unused RAM is an opportunity for a RAM drive.

And you should definitely break your new PC in with one of those newfangled text adventures. I understand the good ones recognize dozens of verbs.

Can you recommend a good text rpg? I don't really play those.

Lilith's Throne.

The advanced fluids simulation requires a hefty rig.

 

[ind33d]

LOL at recommending a Mac for gaming.

I would recommend Linux for gaming before ever recommending a Mac for gaming.

absolutely true, you can run everything but Destiny and Halo

 

[NecroLord]

My 17 year old computer which worked fine before has broken. So I'm building a new one with a 4080 super (the 4090 costs twice as much for a measly 5fps more at best) and an R7 7800x3D. 128 gb of RAM of course because RAM is cheap. The parts should be coming in the mail next week. Which old crpgs from two or more decades that need nowhere close to its processing power should I play on it first?

All of them.

 

[MerchantKing]

LOL at recommending a Mac for gaming.

I would recommend Linux for gaming before ever recommending a Mac for gaming.

absolutely true, you can run everything but Destiny and Halo

Why would anyone play that zoomer game and Gayblo?

 

[Rincewind]

I don't think you're going to see enough of an upgrade in performance until at least three generations later to justify buying a new cards/cpu for playing games. Worst case scenario is that have you turn off a few graphics and lighting effects that you would've turned off anyways and still get good performance 6-10 years later when the increase in performance is actually high enough to justify buying anything new.

That's accurate. Moore's Law has flattened out about 10-15 year ago, we no longer get doubled CPU speeds every 2-3 years.

I upgraded from an i7 4790 4.4 GHz I bought in 2015 to a Ryzen 9 7900 this year and I'm getting roughly doubled single core performance. Sure, 4 vs 12 cores can also make a huge difference in heavily multithreaded tasks like video encoding, but for many programs such as emulators like PCSX2 and RPCS3 the single core performance is the bottleneck.

The GTX 750 Ti to RTX 3060 upgrade about 2 years ago was even more significant; finally I could play KCD at 60 fps, not like an 5 fps slideshow.

 

[coldcrow]

Problem with the older Intel CPUs are the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches, they lose quite a bit of performance.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

Looking at the poll, why even get a new pc? The games listed won’t benefit from better hardware. As such, I’d recommend getting a Mac. It is a superior operating system and you shouldn’t have much trouble running any of those old titles, especially with wine. They are just so much more comfortable to use. I have both myself, but for day to day shit the Mac is much better.

 

[The Brazilian Slaughter]

Are you doing something work-related with that RAM? Because HOLY SHIT, who ever needs 128gb of RAM? 16gb is good, 32gb is perfect, 64gb is overkill, 128gb is extreme.

Might as well make a RAM Disk with that btw.

I'll have to admit the 128gb of RAM was b8. I only got 32gb for it.

R7 7800x3D

Are you sure you can't wait for the newest x3D AMD processors? They're probably going to be even better. Eh, you will be able to upgrade later, even then AFAIK the 9000s series won't be such a big improvement, it seems like a gen more focused on efficiency than big performance gains.

My opinion of cpu's and gpu's is that I'd have to wait three generations to really see something that will actually end up being worth upgrading to. I don't think you're going to see enough of an upgrade in performance until at least three generations later to justify buying a new cards/cpu for playing games. Worst case scenario is that have you turn off a few graphics and lighting effects that you would've turned off anyways and still get good performance 6-10 years later when the increase in performance is actually high enough to justify buying anything new.

Lol nice b8 m8 I r8 it 8/8

You're right about the gens. Considering how AMD's support for sockets has been insane and one of the reasons many people are adopting AMD, you will be able to upgrade for a long time. AFAIK AMD plans to support Socket AM5 until 2027, so you should be good. One gen to another is only small, incremental gains, not worth upgrading.

I've been thinking similarly. This year I got me a LOQ 15 with i5-12450H and a RTX 3050 6gb Mobile Card. Slightly behind the vanguard but I got it for an absolute steal compared to usual entry-level gaming notebooks here, and due to power prices, towers are right out for me. I intend to make it last at least four years, so I should be good for a long while. By then we should be at the 60XX or 70XX series cards and Intel 17th gen, through I will try to go for AMD in next laptop. By then, DDR6 should be a thing as well. Fuck incremental upgrades, I like to do big jumps. I went from a Thinkpad T430 to this, so I'm absolutely happy here.

Once warranty ends, I also intend to swap memories from 2x8 to 2x16 and add another NVME.

Hopefully this machine is still alive by the time I buy a new one, so I can gift it to someone else - I was thinking my nephew.

I don't think you're going to see enough of an upgrade in performance until at least three generations later to justify buying a new cards/cpu for playing games. Worst case scenario is that have you turn off a few graphics and lighting effects that you would've turned off anyways and still get good performance 6-10 years later when the increase in performance is actually high enough to justify buying anything new.

That's accurate. Moore's Law has flattened out about 10-15 year ago, we no longer get doubled CPU speeds every 2-3 years.

I upgraded from an i7 4790 4.4 GHz I bought in 2015 to a Ryzen 9 7900 this year and I'm getting roughly doubled single core performance. Sure, 4 vs 12 cores can also make a huge difference in heavily multithreaded tasks like video encoding, but for many programs such as emulators like PCSX2 and RPCS3 the single core performance is the bottleneck.

The GTX 750 Ti to RTX 3060 upgrade about 2 years ago was even more significant; finally I could play KCD at 60 fps, not like an 5 fps slideshow.

Fucking Moore's Law ruining out 10 GHZ Netburst dreams! GIVE ME MY 10 GHZ Single-Core Processor, Intel!

Yeah, average difference between gens is like +100-200 MHZ single-core performance. Unless you really need to squeeze single core power for some reason, time between upgrades is ideally 4-5 years, sometimes 6. We're no longer in the era in which tech would progress so fast, people would sometimes buy expensive computers that were obsolete the day they released.

You think GTX 750 TI to RTX 3060 upgrade is significant? Try this: Intel HD Graphics to RTX 3050 6gb Mobile.

 

[Snufkin]

Play Crysis at 4k res.

 

[welly321]

I'm going to have to get one in the far future as my envy after a few updates from microsoft & hp just utterly broke it. I chugs like a vic-20 on a data cassette now. Fails consistently to restore leaving a few options:

1. Leave it alone
2. Pay a technician
3. Factory reset if possible
4. Chuck into a dumpster

I was able to get a few apps working and transfer shit off of it but it took fucking forever. Diablo beelzebulb works. I waste a few hours sitting on my ass, felt guilty... turned it off (most was trying to clean up the desktop, find viruses, defrag (solid state still defrags almost instantly), clear history, cookies, etc.

fuckinf waicom tablet shit keeps popping up until i turned it off in settings, but it comes back up repeatedly when machine is turned on. And it runs like ass. 2018 i bought it but like been on shelf longer. Feels like several hundred dollars of waste now even if it has been nearly 6 years. Lord knows when it was actually made being win 10? 2016?

Why are you defragging an SSD

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

What the hell else am I supposed to try. I ran every anti-virus, cleaner, scandisk, and maintenance utility & all system restored FAIL! No microsoft or hp help. I already posted the fucking computer is a damn anchor weight of slowdown. I swear a vic-20 runs faster. It is fucked. And I was fucking curious. Shit, it makes clicking noises now. A damn laptop with no movable parts.

What fool I was trusting some bullox update esp a registry/bios update from HP. bah! Dumb.

 

[Darth Canoli]

I wouldn't play anything made after the year 1999.

Your loss
2001 Wizardry 8
2009 Knights of the Chalice
2021 KotC 2
2023 Colony Ship

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

I'm going to have to get one in the far future as my envy after a few updates from microsoft & hp just utterly broke it. I chugs like a vic-20 on a data cassette now. Fails consistently to restore leaving a few options:

1. Leave it alone
2. Pay a technician
3. Factory reset if possible
4. Chuck into a dumpster

I was able to get a few apps working and transfer shit off of it but it took fucking forever. Diablo beelzebulb works. I waste a few hours sitting on my ass, felt guilty... turned it off (most was trying to clean up the desktop, find viruses, defrag (solid state still defrags almost instantly), clear history, cookies, etc.

fuckinf waicom tablet shit keeps popping up until i turned it off in settings, but it comes back up repeatedly when machine is turned on. And it runs like ass. 2018 i bought it but like been on shelf longer. Feels like several hundred dollars of waste now even if it has been nearly 6 years. Lord knows when it was actually made being win 10? 2016?

Why are you defragging an SSD

What the hell else am I supposed to try. I ran every anti-virus, cleaner, scandisk, and maintenance utility & all system restored FAIL! No microsoft or hp help. I already posted the fucking computer is a damn anchor weight of slowdown. I swear a vic-20 runs faster. It is fucked. And I was fucking curious. Shit, it makes clicking noises now. A damn laptop with no movable parts.

What fool I was trusting some bullox update esp a registry/bios update from HP. bah! Dumb.

You never defrag flash memory media.

 

[Rincewind]

el HD Graphics to RTX 3050 6gb Mobile.

Yeah Intel iGPUs are garbage. Especially their buggy OpenGL drivers.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Quite honestly, I don't think it did defrag. All it said instantly was done and no processing. I think it utterly ignored the command. My issue was way before i even bothered trying that. Either it was HP or a faux HP update. Odd it appeared only when I turned the computer on and it had not even booted to login to desktop.

Oh well, fucked now. Not like I've been using it much except the rare transfer of music to mp3 player. It isn't like I game anymore.

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

Building computers is more fun than actually playing the games.